Has Minnesota Surpassed Wisconsin?

Are we the better program?

  • Yes

    Votes: 61 62.2%

  • No

    Votes: 37 37.8%
  • Total voters
    98
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PMWinSTP said:
I think Fickell has a longer leash than others. The admin there, moving how they did on Chryst and not picking Leonhard, wants to see this succeed so I think he'll get more time. Is that such a bad thing for the Gophs of it doesn't pan out?
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In regards to Fickell....I think the honeymoon is over with the fans but I don't think their administration is anywhere close to making a change.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
I would say an enthusiastic Yes.

Based on the following -

Have won 3 of the last 4.

Rarely lose top ranked MN preps to them. I’m old enough to remember to remember, when they would routinely get high rated preps, like: Rosga, McCullough, Powers-O’Neil etc…sometimes we snag A Roy

No longer dread games at Camp Randell.

Whatever shortcomings PJ has, this is certainly an indelible accomplishment.

The Black Friday Beatdown clinched it for me. They had zero hope to win that game after the first quarter; we were the Superior Squad and it wasn’t even close.
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If I cared enough, I'd lurk on Buckyville. Can you imagine the meltdowns that must be going on over there. There has to be one or more posts calling for coach Fickell to be canned. Can Barry come out of retirement one more time for them?:ROFLMAO:
 


Ope3 said:
Just from an attendance standpoint, the Badgers still sold 75,000 tix for every game this season.

Obviously there are constrains with stadium capacity, but The Bank still had 5,000 tix (10%) available for a game against a Top 5 opponent (Penn St) just 2 Saturdays ago on a relatively benign weather day.

For me to even entertain the notion that Minnesota has "surpassed" Wisconsin, the Gophers are going to have to start selling out the Bank much more consistently, especially for Big 10 games. Also, the Badgers would have to drop somewhere into the mid 60,000 range.
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It's a joke! Wisconsin has had posters troll Minnesota for years. This has to hurt their "New Money" fanbase. How dare those "Greasy, grimey Gophers" talk down to Thee Wisconsin Badgers!:ROFLMAO:
 



PMWinSTP said:
$40M buyout.
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Thanks! Yes, that is huge. Even for "Thee Wisconsin Badgers." My guess is they would wait until it goes down considerably before canning him. I would think the AD would need help to pay that out. Their legislature is cheap like ours. Doubt they'd get help from the state.
 

STPGopher said:
I am guessing the buyout is huge. Doubt that they would pay it at this point.

By the way, the series is dead even. 63-63-8

https://gophersports.com/sports/football/opponent-history/university-of-wisconsin/397

According to their fans, they cooled on this being a rivalry.:ROFLMAO:
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Yeah, we know all to well how the rivalry is not nearly as much fun when your team is constantly on the wrong side of the scoreboard. Been nice to turn the tables on them a little in recent years. Hopefully that can continue for many years to come.
 

STPGopher said:
Thanks! Yes, that is huge. Even for "Thee Wisconsin Badgers." My guess is they would wait until it goes down considerably before canning him. I would think the AD would need help to pay that out. Their legislature is cheap like ours. Doubt they'd get help from the state.
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That, and the recruits he's bringing in tells me they will let things play out.
 

In football, maybe.

Unfortunately, one of the things Wisconsin has going for it that we cannot reach it is great golf courses. At least they’re close by.
 



PMWinSTP said:
I think Fickell has a longer leash than others. The admin there, moving how they did on Chryst and not picking Leonhard, wants to see this succeed so I think he'll get more time. Is that such a bad thing for the Gophs of it doesn't pan out?
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Good points.

It’s fascinating to me how some coaches can only fit at some levels. I think Fickell’s ceiling is mid major; while PJ’s isn’t; no idea if he could do it at a helmet school.
I realize that the book on Fickell isn’t closed at P4, but he’s basically bombed both opportunities so far🥸

Carroll is amazing as he did it at every level- true greatness.
 

STPGopher said:
If I cared enough, I'd lurk on Buckyville. Can you imagine the meltdowns that must be going on over there. There has to be one or more posts calling for coach Fickell to be canned. Can Barry come out of retirement one more time for them?:ROFLMAO:
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We’re lucky Barry’s still not the AD, so he could hire himself a third time as interim coach🥸🥳🤓
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
I would say an enthusiastic Yes.

Based on the following -

Have won 3 of the last 4.

Rarely lose top ranked MN preps to them. I’m old enough to remember to remember, when they would routinely get high rated preps, like: Rosga, McCullough, Powers-O’Neil etc…sometimes we snag A Roy

No longer dread games at Camp Randell.

Whatever shortcomings PJ has, this is certainly an indelible accomplishment.

The Black Friday Beatdown clinched it for me. They had zero hope to win that game after the first quarter; we were the Superior Squad and it wasn’t even close.
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PLEASE: never fall into the trap of the short-term thinker. Minnesota needs Wisconsin to be strong. Wisconsin needs Minnesota to be strong. Do not be foolish enough to trash talk too much based upon a few wins or a few outcomes of games to claim that the di is cast.

When I was a youngster, the total w/l record favored Minnesota by quite a lot because of the Bierman years. Then Alvarez came along. Wisky pulled even and even started to lead in the series.

As of Black Friday of 2024, this ancient, most played rivalry game of any rivalry in the nation was ALL Tied Up. I think it is Minnesota 62 wins, Wisconsin 62 wins with 8 games ending in ties.

Hell no;: Minnesota with this last win is only keeping up our end of the deal.

The rivalry is merely one of the great things about U of M football. The same is true about U of Wisconsin football. Honor the rivalry. Respect the rivalry. Cherish the Axe. Just as the stinking Badger team does.

The same thing is true about Floyd of Rosedale.

This Gopher football team needs the Badger and the Hawkeye to battle with just as much as the Hawkeye and the Badger need the Gopher to battle with for one season bragging rights

Take the long-term view of what makes a border battle something to treasure and be extremely proud of.

Beat the stinking Badger and beat the stinking Hawkeye, Gopher! 2025 it all. starts again: “One year at a time…”
 
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walrus said:
PLEASE: never fall into the trap of the short-term thinker. Minnesota needs Wisconsin to be strong. Wisconsin needs Minnesota to be strong. Do not be foolish enough to trash talk too much based upon a few wins or a few outcomes of games to claim that the di is cast.

When I was a youngster, the total w/l record favored Minnesota by quite a lot because of the Bierman years. Then Alvarez came along. Wisky pulled even and even started to lead in the series.

As of Black Friday of 2024, this ancient, most played rivalry game of any rivalry in the nation was ALL Tied Up. I think it is Minnesota 62 wins, Wisconsin 62 wins with 8 games ending in ties.

Hell no;: Minnesota with this last win is only keeping up our end of the deal.

The rivalry is merely one of the great things about U of M football. The same is true about U of Wisconsin football. Honor the rivalry. Respect the rivalry. Cherish the Axe. Just as the stinking Badger team does.

The same thing is true about Floyd of Rosedale.

This Gopher football team needs the Badger and the Hawkeye to battle with just as much as the Hawkeye and the Bagger need the Gopher to battle with for one season bragging rights

Take the long-term view of what makes a border battle something to treasure and be extremely proud of.

Beat the stinking Badger and beat the stinking Hawkeye, Gopher! 2025 it all. starts again: “One year at a time…”
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Dave H said:
What does attendance have to do with anything?
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The Poll Question it's self it pretty nebulous so it can mean anything you want it to mean.

Surpassed in what?

If nothing else the Gophers bringing in 40% - 50% less spectators to games means they trail drastically in fan interest/public opinion with their fanbase as well as have fewer resources to maintain whatever slim edge they have had on the field in the past 4 years.
 

walrus said:
PLEASE: never fall into the trap of the short-term thinker. Minnesota needs Wisconsin to be strong. Wisconsin needs Minnesota to be strong. Do not be foolish enough to trash talk too much based upon a few wins or a few outcomes of games to claim that the di is cast.

When I was a youngster, the total w/l record favored Minnesota by quite a lot because of the Bierman years. Then Alvarez came along. Wisky pulled even and even started to lead in the series.

As of Black Friday of 2024, this ancient, most played rivalry game of any rivalry in the nation was ALL Tied Up. I think it is Minnesota 62 wins, Wisconsin 62 wins with 8 games ending in ties.

Hell no;: Minnesota with this last win is only keeping up our end of the deal.

The rivalry is merely one of the great things about U of M football. The same is true about U of Wisconsin football. Honor the rivalry. Respect the rivalry. Cherish the Axe. Just as the stinking Badger team does.

The same thing is true about Floyd of Rosedale.

This Gopher football team needs the Badger and the Hawkeye to battle with just as much as the Hawkeye and the Bagger need the Gopher to battle with for one season bragging rights

Take the long-term view of what makes a border battle something to treasure and be extremely proud of.

Beat the stinking Badger and beat the stinking Hawkeye, Gopher! 2025 it all. starts again: “One year at a time…”
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Yes, but that's the fun of the rivalry. We've got approximately 350 plus days to dance with the Axe! To the victors go the spoils!

https://gophersports.com/galleries/football/football-vs-wisconsin/kallerup-nick-axe/7023/307056

https://www.instagram.com/mnsportscenter/reel/DDBZt0wsQkp/
 



walrus said:
PLEASE: never fall into the trap of the short-term thinker. Minnesota needs Wisconsin to be strong. Wisconsin needs Minnesota to be strong. Do not be foolish enough to trash talk too much based upon a few wins or a few outcomes of games to claim that the di is cast.

When I was a youngster, the total w/l record favored Minnesota by quite a lot because of the Bierman years. Then Alvarez came along. Wisky pulled even and even started to lead in the series.

As of Black Friday of 2024, this ancient, most played rivalry game of any rivalry in the nation was ALL Tied Up. I think it is Minnesota 62 wins, Wisconsin 62 wins with 8 games ending in ties.

Hell no;: Minnesota with this last win is only keeping up our end of the deal.

The rivalry is merely one of the great things about U of M football. The same is true about U of Wisconsin football. Honor the rivalry. Respect the rivalry. Cherish the Axe. Just as the stinking Badger team does.

The same thing is true about Floyd of Rosedale.

This Gopher football team needs the Badger and the Hawkeye to battle with just as much as the Hawkeye and the Bagger need the Gopher to battle with for one season bragging rights

Take the long-term view of what makes a border battle something to treasure and be extremely proud of.

Beat the stinking Badger and beat the stinking Hawkeye, Gopher! 2025 it all. starts again: “One year at a time…”
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Stop preaching, we get it, the rivalry is historic. You're saying a whole lot of nothing and didn't answer the initial question.
 

STPGopher said:
Yes, but that's the fun of the rivalry. We've got approximately 350 plus days to dance with the Axe! To the victors go the spoils!

https://gophersports.com/galleries/football/football-vs-wisconsin/kallerup-nick-axe/7023/307056

https://www.instagram.com/mnsportscenter/reel/DDBZt0wsQkp/
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Exactly my friend.

Or to put it another way way -

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walrus said:
PLEASE: never fall into the trap of the short-term thinker. Minnesota needs Wisconsin to be strong. Wisconsin needs Minnesota to be strong. Do not be foolish enough to trash talk too much based upon a few wins or a few outcomes of games to claim that the di is cast.

When I was a youngster, the total w/l record favored Minnesota by quite a lot because of the Bierman years. Then Alvarez came along. Wisky pulled even and even started to lead in the series.

As of Black Friday of 2024, this ancient, most played rivalry game of any rivalry in the nation was ALL Tied Up. I think it is Minnesota 62 wins, Wisconsin 62 wins with 8 games ending in ties.

Hell no;: Minnesota with this last win is only keeping up our end of the deal.

The rivalry is merely one of the great things about U of M football. The same is true about U of Wisconsin football. Honor the rivalry. Respect the rivalry. Cherish the Axe. Just as the stinking Badger team does.

The same thing is true about Floyd of Rosedale.

This Gopher football team needs the Badger and the Hawkeye to battle with just as much as the Hawkeye and the Bagger need the Gopher to battle with for one season bragging rights

Take the long-term view of what makes a border battle something to treasure and be extremely proud of.

Beat the stinking Badger and beat the stinking Hawkeye, Gopher! 2025 it all. starts again: “One year at a time…”
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We absolutely do not need Wisconsin to be strong, just like they didn't need us to be strong in many of their very successful seasons. If they lost every game the rest of my lifetime I would die a happy man.
 

Ope3 said:
The Poll Question it's self it pretty nebulous so it can mean anything you want it to mean.

Surpassed in what?
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I thought about doing degrees/% et al, but that’s too restrictive for my vibe 🥸


Ope3 said:
If nothing else the Gophers bringing in 40% - 50% less spectators to games means they trail drastically in fan interest/public opinion with their fanbase as well as have fewer resources to maintain whatever slim edge they have had on the field in the past 4 years.
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If anything the Gophers are currently stronger in larger part because Wisconsin is weaker, not because the Gophers have moved up a tier or two. The same can be said of Iowa, who is getting weaker in the new B1G although Ferentz still owns Fleck.
 

Gophers1992 said:
We absolutely do not need Wisconsin to be strong, just like they didn't need us to be strong in many of their very successful seasons. If they lost every game the rest of my lifetime I would die a happy man.
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Based on the results on field, yes. They still recruit better, but that only matters if it turns into results.

Now, I think that the sudden parity is both a product of PJ being able to field a team that isn't entirely one sided on offense as well as a decline in Wisconsin's program. I think PJ wouldn't have gone 50-50 during the 15 year drought, but I do think he would've won some of those games.
 

While Minnesota may be ahead right now as a program, it's a very fragile advantage. Wisconsin still has much stronger systemic advantages, such as fan base, institutiinal support, and history of recent success. Wisconsin has a larger margin of error that has been built up over 30 years of moderate to great success, and can still attract a coach like Fickell. I think we are riding off the recent sustained marginal success and stability of our current coach, but could easily fall off the ledge in a transition to a new coach.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
🐻 in mind, it’s meant yo be fun🥳, not the ninth ⭕️ of The SportsReporters - an excellent show and the only talking head round table, where you could actually learn something consistently🤓.

I thought about doing degrees/% et al, but that’s too restrictive for my vibe 🥸
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Everyone can have as much (or as little fun) as they want. No doubt.

The question is all in the eye of the beholder and my response was not meant as a critique at the Poll itself but was a direct reply to STPGopher Dave H inquiring why I responded the way I did.
 
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Helmet schools (Notre Dame & Penn State) have been picking off Wisconsin's best in-state players the last couple years so I'm not sure that's Fickell's fault and he is doing a better job recruiting nationally than they usually do.

Fickell's record at Ohio State and WI is going to start hurting him on the recruiting/NIL trail if he doesn't turn things around next year. It is a REALLY big year for their program. Another poster made a good point about him building a great coaching resume when he was at maybe the best program in a weaker conference - Cincinnati. One more bad year and things could go south quickly. National media made a lot out of his amazing resume before coming to the B1G. Guess what? This is the B1G. All the coaches have an amazing resume before coming here.
 

Ope3 said:
The Poll Question it's self it pretty nebulous so it can mean anything you want it to mean.

Surpassed in what?

If nothing else the Gophers bringing in 40% - 50% less spectators to games means they trail drastically in fan interest/public opinion with their fanbase as well as have fewer resources to maintain whatever slim edge they have had on the field in the past 4 years.
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So Minnesota is much closer to surpassing Oregon, USC and Miami than Wisconsin.
 

Ope3 said:
Everyone can have as much (or as little fun) as they want. No doubt.

The question is all in the eye of the beholder and my response was not meant as a critique at the Poll itself but was a direct reply to STPGopher inquiring why I responded the way I did.
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I did? Too many STP handles. Was it me?
 

Hates Monikers said:
So Minnesota is much closer to surpassing Oregon, USC and Miami than Wisconsin.
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Uh, no.

Minnesota and Wisconsin's overall records are pretty similar to begin with in whatever time frame, for sake of argument let's with with this decade.

Oregon's football accomplishments are far superior and they are playing to 100% capacity in their stadium. With Phil Knight as sugar daddy, that's unlikely to change anytime soon.

USC football accomplishments are trending down the past 2 seasons, but still superior (in the 2020s). Tough to really use attendance as a factor with USC given the much larger metro area, but they are roughly outdrawing the Gophers by 20,000, even though that's about 75% capacity.

Miami (Fla) I don't give a crap about one way or another with regards to a comparison to Minnesota. I barely care about Oregon & USC, but they are in the same conference as the Gophers at least.
 

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