Gray is What We Thought he was!!

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Gopherprof said:
Normally I think the word "troll" is massively overused on this board, but in this case, Former Goofer and Firecosgrove are both ridiculous. You'd think you would at least pick names that try to conceal your bias.
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I'll say this once and only once just to make this clear. I want the Gophers program to succeed tremendously; however, I hate Gray as a football player because he is terrible.
 

highwayman said:
You forgot the 147 passer rating...
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Gray's QB rating was helped tremendously by starting 3 drives at the opponent's 25. Without those two TDs in OT, his rating would have been 125.3. That sounds great until you realize it translates to a 72.8 in the NFL system.
 

Former Goofer said:
Anyone who isn't a box score analyst would come to the same conclusion.
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Anyone who's watched football and has a brain would not come to the same conclusion.

Former Goofer said:
he is terrible
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You are unbelievably wrong. My 6-year-old son is a terrible football player. MarQueis Gray is a better football player than 99.9999% of all football players ever. Stop using the ridiculous hyperbole and simultaneously making an ass of yourself.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Anyone who's watched football and has a brain would not come to the same conclusion.



You are unbelievably wrong. My 6-year-old son is a terrible football player. MarQueis Gray is a better football player than 99.9999% of all football players ever. Stop using the ridiculous hyperbole and simultaneously making an ass of yourself.
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Lol. Well you're entitled to believe whatever you want to, even if it's wrong. The sooner the Gray era ends the sooner the Gopher football program can look forward to hopefully becoming relevant again. Shortell isn't the answer either. Nelson has a shot and hopefully takes the starting job next year.
 


Former Goofer said:
Well you're entitled to believe whatever you want to, even if it's wrong.
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Good thing for me that it's correct. How many people in the history of Earth have played football? If you don't think Gray is among the .0001% of the best ever, you are either very stupid, don't understand math, don't understand football, or most likely a combination of all three.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Good thing for me that it's correct. How many people in the history of Earth have played football? If you don't think Gray is among the .0001% of the best ever, you are either very stupid, don't understand math, don't understand football, or most likely a combination of all three.
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Wait a minute, so now you are comparing Gray to 6 year old players to say he is good?:rolleyes: That's about as terrible as an argument as you could ever make. I'll slow down and spell it out for you since obviously very simple correlations cannot be made by everyone. Gray is a terrible college QB but he sure is better than any other 6 year thats ever walked the earth! UNLV also is one of the best programs ever since they could beat any pop warner football team.
 


dpodoll68 said:
Gray had several HORRIBLE throws last night, and STILL threw for over 250 yards, and STILL completed more than 50% of his passes, and STILL had a 2:1 TD ratio, and STILL ran for 68 yards. There is plenty of room for improvement, but let's put things in perspective, people.
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Gray had a horrible game, plain and simple. Had he had an okay game, the game would have been over at half time(even with the penalties and other mistakes).

That is honest perspective.
 



Former Goofer said:
Wait a minute, so now you are comparing Gray to 6 year old players to say he is good?
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You're the one who called him a "terrible football player", not me. It's not my fault you're a dumbass.

Former Goofer said:
That's about as terrible as an argument as you could ever make.
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I agree. I didn't make it. You did.

Former Goofer said:
I'll slow down and spell it out for you since obviously very simple correlations cannot be made by everyone.
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I correlated it just fine. Don't say stupid sh*t and you won't get called out on it.

Former Goofer said:
Gray is a terrible college QB
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There you go! Was that so hard? You get a gold star! I still disagree with you, but at least it's not a preposterously idiotic statement like the previous one.

Former Goofer said:
but he sure is better than any other 6 year thats ever walked the earth!
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Can you repeat this part? In English, please?

Former Goofer said:
UNLV also is one of the best programs ever
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I know you're (poorly) attempting a joke, but it is an inarguable fact that UNLV is among the best football teams on planet Earth.
 

station19 said:
Gray had a horrible game, plain and simple.
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I disagree. The stat line he put up (coupled with a WIN, nonetheless) is not indicative of a horrible game, plain and simple.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I strongly disagree.
 

dpodoll68 said:
MarQueis Gray is a better football player than 99.9999% of all football players ever.
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Depending on your definition of "football player" I would argue that 99.9999% would be too high.

If we consider "football player" as someone who has played the game in an organized fashion (let's say pop warner and up) I'd estimate that our population would include 200,000,000 football players, ever.

Top 99.9999% would put MG in the top 200 players, ever. That in mind, I'd say 99.9% (top 200k) would be more accurate.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I disagree. The stat line he put up (coupled with a WIN, nonetheless) is not indicative of a horrible game, plain and simple.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I strongly disagree.
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You're normally an objective and logical poster. Today, not so much.

An average to good performance by a qb and the game is over at half time.

Let's be honest folks.
 



station19 said:
Gray had a horrible game, plain and simple. Had he had an okay game, the game would have been over at half time(even with the penalties and other mistakes).

That is honest perspective.
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THIS. It wasn't pretty. The UNLV fans in the season ticket holder section I was sitting in started chants, multiple times, "YOU CAN'T THROW". When UNLV is saying this, it's not good.

The argument about Gray being a horrible football player or not? I would definitely say that Gray is a tremendously talented football player. Not a good QB.
 

station19 said:
An average to good performance by a qb and the game is over at half time.

Let's be honest folks.
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+1900

As I mentioned in a previous thread, a few of his overthrows were picked up by radar at McCarron International Airport.
 

46Gophers said:
+1900

As I mentioned in a previous thread, a few of his overthrows were picked up by radar at McCarron International Airport.
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The radar is also picking up a line of Russian ICBMs, so I wouldn't sweat the thunderstorms.:)

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
 

Okay I did not watch, but listened to the game on the radio. (not the best job of announcing but that is another thread) From those of you that did watch the game, did Gray's problems with overthrows look like something that can be remedied over the next one to two weeks by the coaches? This si meant to be an honest question about improvement and correction not a "He's is way to terrible" opportunity to rant.
 

Jayeyem said:
Depending on your definition of "football player" I would argue that 99.9999% would be too high.

If we consider "football player" as someone who has played the game in an organized fashion (let's say pop warner and up) I'd estimate that our population would include 200,000,000 football players, ever.

Top 99.9999% would put MG in the top 200 players, ever. That in mind, I'd say 99.9% (top 200k) would be more accurate.
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Fair enough. You are correct. Let's say 99.9%, then. Is someone in the top 0.1% of anything able to be called "horrible"?
 

IMHO he needs to put more air under the ball.
I would get so encouraged watching him hit 4-5 nice passes in a row. Then a guy would flash wide open and MG would miss him by 5-10 yards.
It's correctable.
 

dpodoll68 said:
You're the one who called him a "terrible football player", not me. It's not my fault you're a dumbass.



I agree. I didn't make it. You did.



I correlated it just fine. Don't say stupid sh*t and you won't get called out on it.



There you go! Was that so hard? You get a gold star! I still disagree with you, but at least it's not a preposterously idiotic statement like the previous one.



Can you repeat this part? In English, please?



I know you're (poorly) attempting a joke, but it is an inarguable fact that UNLV is among the best football teams on planet Earth.
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Sorry. Next time we are talking about college players I wont give you the benefit of the doubt that it goes without saying that we are comparing said player to other college players.
 

The problem with just quoting Gray's stats and coming the conclusion he had a good or even OK game is you're taking into account the receivers contributions. They made Gray look better than he was last night. There were 2-3 stop routes where UNLV missed a tackle and the play went for 30 yards instead of 7. There was also the great catch by Barker on the sideline. Rabe added about 15 yac on his TD in OT. When you look only at Gray's contributions, the decision making and throwing accuracy, he starts to look much worse. I think he made pretty good decisions with the ball last night and he hit many of his underneath crossing routes, stop routes and RB dump offs. But if you look at his down field throwing he was terrible. I can only think of 1 play down the field that he made a good throw on. That is just highlighted by how many WIDE OPEN receivers he missed.

If you take out the UNLV missed tackles and great catch by Barker, Gray only has around 160 yards passing. So yeah, he hit a whole bunch of short stuff; good for him. But every college QB should be able to hit those routes. If Gray can't connect on the deep ball we will see nothing but 8 man fronts going forward which in turn will make our running game stall.
 

GopherGack said:
There were 2-3 stop routes where UNLV missed a tackle and the play went for 30 yards instead of 7. There was also the great catch by Barker on the sideline. Rabe added about 15 yac on his TD in OT.
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This is a stupid argument! So, we take 15YAC away from Gray hitting a wide open Rabe in stride. Doh Kay. That's part of the game. Breaking tackles, YAC and hitting WR's in stride every QB that has ever played gets YAC added to their numbers should we take that away from them?

I get it. He missed some long balls! That doesn't mean he played horrible!
 

Funny, smart a$$ comment (but painfully true).

Took my boss/buddy to the UNLV game last night and he's a OSU grad, big Buckeye fan. We were talking about the issues with having a QB that can't consistently be a threat throwing the ball. His comment....

"You know what you get when you have a QB that can't throw the ball? Triple overtime with UNLV."

True statement. Ouch.
 

Every QB ever has to rely on his WR/TEs. Some QBs are better than others, but I defy you to name me one HOF QB who didn't throw to HOF (or at least All-Pro) WR/TEs quite frequently over the course of his career. Montana and Young had Rice. Bradshaw had Swann and Stallworth. Manning had Harrison. Elway had Shannon Sharpe. I could go on. The point is that, over the course of a season, there will be some plays where the WR bails the QB out on a bad throw or a misread, and there will be likely just as many plays where the WR cuts off his route, runs the wrong route, or drops a perfectly thrown ball. For example, most of us (myself included) assumed that the McDonald play where Gray apparently overthrew him by 10 yards was all on Gray. However, this morning I've read and heard in several places that McDonald gave up on the play and could've moonwalked into the endzone had he not stopped running. Without knowing what the play call was and how it was coached, none of us know how to assign blame on any given play. It cuts both ways. All I can see objectively from an outside perspective are the stats. A win, over 250 yards passing, over 50% completion, a 2:1 TD:INT ratio, and 68 yards rushing can not possibly be a horrible, or even bad, game. I will never, ever, ever, ever be convinced otherwise. People are seeing what they want to see.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Why would anyone assume that? I take people's words at face value. You said "football player". You did NOT say "college football player". Is typing the word "college" amongst hundreds of other words so difficult? It's not my problem if you feel that is so. If you want to be taken seriously and not thought of as an idiot, don't say stupid sh*t. It's really quite simple. It's not hard to elucidate one's thoughts clearly, assuming one is not an imbecile.
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Of course it's not hard but you're being a little dense. Literally in every conversation of my life with everyone I've met in every sport I've talked about when we are talking about a player it goes without saying that said player is being compared to his peers, not people 15 years younger. You need to get out more.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Funny, smart a$$ comment (but painfully true).

Took my boss/buddy to the UNLV game last night and he's a OSU grad, big Buckeye fan. We were talking about the issues with having a QB that can't consistently be a threat throwing the ball. His comment....

"You know what you get when you have a QB that can't throw the ball? Triple overtime with UNLV."

True statement. Ouch.
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We are not OSU. Alert the media.
 

If he settled down earlier in the game he has 5 TDs and we win by 20.
Missed about 5 throws. If he can settle down earlier in games we actually might win quite a few games this year. He was really good in OT.

I am more optomistic today than I was yesterday. I was worried about many positions, and they showed they have some guys who can play in some spots.
 

Former Goofer said:
Of course it's not hard but you're being a little dense. Literally in every conversation of my life with everyone I've met in every sport I've talked about when we are talking about a player it goes without saying that said player is being compared to his peers, not people 15 years younger. You need to get out more.
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I'm not being dense at all. Again, you're blaming me because you can't communicate properly. It's not my fault. When you make a statement like "terrible football player", there is no context within which to place the statement. If I'm talking with my buddies about which NFL WR to pick in my fantasy draft, it has been established that the context is NFL WRs eligible to be picked in a fantasy draft. If we are talking about who is the best QB in the Big Ten, it has been established that the context is QBs who are currently on a roster in the Big Ten. This is not that hard. You can make a pathetic attempt to insult me by claiming I'm some sort of social pariah, but that still won't fix your inability to communicate your thoughts in a clear manner.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I'm not being dense at all. Again, you're blaming me because you can't communicate properly. It's not my fault. When you make a statement like "terrible football player", there is no context within which to place the statement. If I'm talking with my buddies about which NFL WR to pick in my fantasy draft, it has been established that the context is NFL WRs eligible to be picked in a fantasy draft. If we are talking about who is the best QB in the Big Ten, it has been established that the context is QBs who are currently on a roster in the Big Ten. This is not that hard. You can make a pathetic attempt to insult me by claiming I'm some sort of social pariah, but that still won't fix your inability to communicate your thoughts in a clear manner.
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I've been able to communicate fine with everyone except you that I've ever met. Take that however you want to.
 


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