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GoAUpher said:
I really don't get your concerns. You worry that a coach who has been on the hotseat for a while might get fired before he puts up a furious winning streak (that still leaves his overall record looking like crap) but you think its no big deal to try and hire an existing coach from another school behind the back of your own existing coach? And the reason you seem to care about the former is because it might make the U look bad even though the latter is more likely to damage the school's reputation? Care to square those 2? :confused:
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Sure,

I think you need to look at them in context with expectations. If you believed that a young defense could lead to a rough start to the season then you can accept that wins at the end of the year show improvement and could meet the overall expectations for the season, although the swings would have been much wilder than expected. If goals can still be met then you don't can your current coach.

You also over see a complex organization where every decision has multiple consequences (good and bad) and your future with the company is in doubt. Now you can fire this manager immediately and it will calm your irrational customers (I think we can agree that fans are irrational, I know you believe I am based on reading this.) These customers however have already purchased their goods and can't get a refund. Their decision to purchase in the future will be dependent on who you hire, not when you fire. Many people believe that you current manager has brought in a better pool of talent. The problem is that with an quick fire it will give some of your best talent plenty of time to look for other schools (and be recruited by other schools). This is the worst case scenario and sets you back to square one. You can however perform a back channel search for qualified candidates to replace your coach. Done correctly this won't get messy and you can have a good understanding what you talent pool of applicants will be like. Leaks from inside have already made this a messy situation and embarrassed the school. At the end of the season you can fire the Brew and then conduct formal interviews for the position.

I believe a schools academic reputation and athletic reputation are two distinct items. Athletic reputations are based almost solely on winning and losing. If other things matter this school already doesn't have much of a reputation.
 

Silvio said:
I do not believe you get any sort of advantage in the hiring process by firing your coach early.
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Fair enough. We're into agree to disagree territory.
Silvio said:
In terms of "calming" your fan base this is done with the hiring of the new coach, not the timing of firing the old coach. Tickets for this year have already been sold, there will be minimal financial change from ticket sales. Renewal rates will be based on the new hire not the firing.
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Maybe. Keep in mind that the season ticket base at the dome was about 8K-9K smaller. So that is a lot of "new stadium" based support. Those folks were late to the party so it could take less to help them hop off the wagon. Assuming that a new hire automatically excites the full season ticket base is a assumption the U may not be comfortable making. And I wouldn't blame them given the bandwagon nature of our fanbase.
Silvio said:
If the coach starts winning games it won't be because his head is on the chopping block, it will be because a young defense gains maturity and starts playing better. That would be a sign of improvement.
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You're assuming the wins come from significant defensive improvement. Another hypothetical.
 

Silvio said:
These customers however have already purchased their goods and can't get a refund. Their decision to purchase in the future will be dependent on who you hire, not when you fire.
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We're into agree to disagree territory again. I there is a sizeable (read: 5K-10K) portion of the season ticket base that is willing to give up their seats if pushed far enough and wait not until a new hire, but until the new hire brings the improvement they want. This is based on the smaller fan-base that existed until the new stadium was built.
Silvio said:
Many people believe that you current manager has brought in a better pool of talent. The problem is that with an quick fire it will give some of your best talent plenty of time to look for other schools (and be recruited by other schools). This is the worst case scenario and sets you back to square one.
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Lol...agree to disagree again I guess. :) While I'm sure mass transfers could happen, I cannot come up with any recent turnovers that have had this kind of defection. Can you come up with any that back you up?
Silvio said:
You can however perform a back channel search for qualified candidates to replace your coach. Done correctly this won't get messy and you can have a good understanding what you talent pool of applicants will be like. Leaks from inside have already made this a messy situation and embarrassed the school. At the end of the season you can fire the Brew and then conduct formal interviews for the position.
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Leaks like this are why you don't do unethical and shady backchannel deals. If the U couldn't keep a simple move like this one quiet I'd be worried that they could pull off the much more delicate and complex maneuvers required to do the shady, back end deal. And that's separate from the face that I'd prefer they not pull super shady deals in the first place. [/QUOTE]
Silvio said:
I believe a schools academic reputation and athletic reputation are two distinct items. Athletic reputations are based almost solely on winning and losing. If other things matter this school already doesn't have much of a reputation.
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Ok, but you're ignoring the fact that you claimed this mid-season firing would harm our ability to hire a good replacement yet you've ignored the fact that a botched back-channel deal would be equally, if not more, damaging to a hiring process.
 

GoAUpher said:
minngg, with all respect, I sincerely doubt this is a 1 game ultimatum. This smacks of a previously made decision that leaked. Deciding to fire him if he loses when you already plan to fire him is making a choice about timing, not making it about the Purdue game. Had this stayed quiet and we beat Purdue, I think it is very likely the same plan would have been in place for the next loss (be it PSU, OSU, etc).
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I think that is pretty obvious but it begs the point, it seems to me that only two people should have knowledge of it, Maturi and Bruinicks. Anyone else having any information on it other than Brewster is unproffesional, sloppy, and amateurish. It does not speak well of the University if this is true.
 

jovs said:
I think that is pretty obvious but it begs the point, it seems to me that only two people should have knowledge of it, Maturi and Bruinicks. Anyone else having any information on it other than Brewster is unproffesional, sloppy, and amateurish. It does not speak well of the University if this is true.
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And legal (since they can keep their mouths shut). Like I said in another thread, the choices here are idiocy or incompetence.
 


Wait. But I thought we are all supposed to shut up? Because Brewster will NEVER be fired during the season? Remember. I don't understand...
 

Maroon said:
Wait. But I thought we are all supposed to shut up? Because Brewster will NEVER be fired during the season? Remember. I don't understand...
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Correct. You don't understand. It was said that he will not be asked to leave during the season. Many speculated that he would be made a lame duck (a-la Michigan State a few years ago). You are still supposed to shut up.
 

jovs said:
I think that is pretty obvious but it begs the point, it seems to me that only two people should have knowledge of it, Maturi and Bruinicks. Anyone else having any information on it other than Brewster is unproffesional, sloppy, and amateurish. It does not speak well of the University if this is true.
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Others have speculated that Brewster or his agent was the source of the leak. Say there was an understanding that Brewster had to win 7 games to keep his job. If he loses vs PU you can nix that scenario. Even Brewster can do that math. So he knows he's a goner if he loses Saturday. So Leak the story to some bobo @1500am and force the U's hand. Maybe he wants out, and his happy to clean out his desk along with a $200k check. I'd like to think Brewster has more integrity than that, but the well is definitely poisoned between the 2 parties. The U's press release speaks volumes by what it doesn't say
 

I have no difficulty believing this is true. Because I have no problem believing Maturi is a complete idiot. But, if it happens, who takes over mid-term? Please tell me it isn't going to be Cosgrove!
 



Mike Leach. I've just thought it out a bit and after Maturi's experience with the Monson debacle he wouldn't consider this unless he had a home run already prepped. I don't think it's likely to under estimate Maturi's stupidity, but he's not an absolute idiot. Leach could move in immediately and would be able to retain the current recruits and add some.

He would certainly add some interest. Phat Pat would likely get bitch slapped...physically not literally.
 

Mike Leach is kind of a massive asshole. And by kind of I don't mean kind of at all.
 

Suppose McCarney or Leach is the coach: is that a potential dealbreaker for you?

I really have no problem with Leach, tbh. McCarney, though, is tough. When he was on the sauce, he committed acts that were beyond the pale. I'm not sure you can ever live those down. I'll need to understand where he's at in his life, I guess. I'll still support the team, of course, but that kind of behavior, regardless of the circumstances or length of time, is not something that will endear me to someone.
 

McCarney has such a pattern of abuse I'm not willing to let it slide because of drinking. At some point in that eight years you need to realize that you're terrorizing and abusing the mother of your children and it's something you need to change, and the cold, calculated way he held his children over her head to keep her from pressing charges is just chilling to me. And that was done when he was sober. That's more than just drinking and losing your temper, that's something that's part of the fabric of the man.

Leach is obviously not in that class, I just don't like him as a person and I'd have a hard time watching him. He's just a gross human being. Brewster is at least a good guy. I'm hoping for a good guy and a good football coach and hopefully I won't have to settle for one or the other.

I've already wrote Maturi and let him know my feelings on McCarney. Leach I don't see coming here anyways so I'm not sure I need to worry about that.
 




While I'll never condone the horrible acts anyone does like McCarney.. I do know that people change. How long does someone have to pay for their 'sins' before they are rectified? As long as he shows he's no longer repeating his personal history, I'm ok with him coming here (on a personal level.. I don't know enough about him professionally).

Leach, while I don't really appreciate his crass attitude, I did my investigation on his 'acts' toward that kid at Tech and he did nothing that was wrong. Texas Tech only fired him because they didn't want to pay out that bonus money and didn't want ESPN on their back.

That said, as long as these guys are currently 'good' personally, I have no problems putting on that block 'M' hat for our squad.
 

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