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BronkosGhost said:
Im sorry but the fact that Minnesota who is in the same conference as OSU cant even score one TD is embarrassing and a telling sign of how far apart they are from OSU. The Gophers will never make up that difference and their state line just confirms that.
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Out of curiosity, what role do you think the $35MM to $3-5MM NIL disparity played a role in this game?

And who is responsible for that disparity, i think it’s on us as a fan base. But what do you think?
 


Panthadad2 said:
In all levels of college football, there are a very small handful of perennial true contenders...like low single digits. There's another slightly larger handful of teams that have the resources to contend every few years. The teams in these top categories barely change.

Most of the rest in the Power 4 are fighting to get a top 10 or 15 team a few times a generation. This is the Gophers. Fleck is probably done with top 10 finishes.

That's college football. It is what it is. Know that and enjoy your Saturdays.
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When it gets to the point where you have to set your expectation level of winning 8 or 9 games is a great season it gets harder to justify watching.
 




DEGopher said:
Out of curiosity, what role do you think the $35MM to $3-5MM NIL disparity played a role in this game?

And who is responsible for that disparity, i think it’s on us as a fan base. But what do you think?
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Who says we have 3 to 5? I would guess we have more than that.
 


DEGopher said:
Out of curiosity, what role do you think the $35MM to $3-5MM NIL disparity played a role in this game?

And who is responsible for that disparity, i think it’s on us as a fan base. But what do you think?
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It just makes a team like OSU harder to beat but I dont think it mattered much last night. Because seriously, Ohio State had been miles ahead of Minnesota and the Big 10 for decades. Sure there's some seasons beating them was more attainable than others but we need to be honest with ourselves.
The disparity is a direct result of the NCAA exploiting college athletics to the point that the players had to sue to rectify it. Like most things in this country they over corrected and they had no plan for NIL. NIL could have possibly leveled the playing field with a salary cap but without one its only getting worse.
Sure part of the responsibility is on fans but how much money do you expect the average fan to pay. I pay $100 a month for a streaming service just so I can watch the Gophers. Once the seasons over I cancel it. Don't even get me started on the cost of a live game.
 
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BronkosGhost said:
When it gets to the point where you have to set your expectation level of winning 8 or 9 games is a great season it gets harder to justify watching.
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The expectation of 8 or 9 wins with the hope you get a magical season. That's all fans, isn't it?

The Vikings have every parity advantage in the world and have zero Super Bowl wins after 60+ years. Why do they fill up stadiums?
 



Panthadad2 said:
The expectation of 8 or 9 wins with the hope you get a magical season. That's all fans, isn't it?

The Vikings have every parity advantage in the world and have zero Super Bowl wins after 60+ years. Why do they fill up stadiums?
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Thats called being realistic!

They fill up stadiums becasue despite the lack of a SB win they know theres a chance. The Vikings have been closer to a SB win in the last 60+ years than the Gophers have been to a conference title game in the last 50 years.
 

BronkosGhost said:
Thats called being realistic!

They fill up stadiums becasue despite the lack of a SB win they know theres a chance. The Vikings have been closer to a SB win in the last 60+ years than the Gophers have been to a conference title game in the last 50 years.
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And yet the Vikings NEVER win it all. Ever. Not this year. Not next year, and everyone knows it. Yet they have every advantage in only a 32-team league.

In college football, every fanbase knows there's only a small number of teams that can win it all. If that top team happens to be on a schedule, everyone knows it's a loss 90+% of the time. Every other game is winnable for a decent team in the next tier (Gophers).

If you don't like that, then jump on the OSU/Alabama/Georgia bandwagon or go away and watch the Vikings not win a Super Bowl.
 

akgo4 said:
Have to get them in the right situation (Ex. early in a year or a major injury) or putting their defense on the field for 2/3s of the game through scheme. Gopher QBs never do anything with their legs to challenge a defense. At that point, we become pretty predictable.
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Drake does look like he could get in a little better shape. He looks a little soft. If he gets stronger and leaner and could even run a little bit, that would add a useful element to his game.
 

USAF said:
No, I said I read 3000 posts this winter telling me so.
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3000 that said it would be like flipping a switch...that it would happen overnight?
 



It’s about expectations. MN is now very competitive with rivals Iowa and Wisconsin. MN just defeated a very good coach in Schiano. MN is not competitive with the top tier and barring a restructuring into a more generous salary cap scenario (making fan NIL less relevant) probably will not be. Someone mentioned OSU has something like 11 former five stars and 50 something 4 stars and a bunch of high level threes.

Would a restructuring into a tiered college system be the end of the world? Blue bloods in their own sandbox, the rest of P4 in their own, and the rest staying in their own. That makes championships realistic but tv revenue and therefore athletic department revenue would take a hit. A big hit. Mark has mortgages and boat payments. Tradition? Obviously the dissolution of the big ten would be a traumatic event but we are seeing it has become a blood sucking vampire under recent leadership. Talking to PE is unforgivable.

We are seeing MN and other charity cases willing to give everything away, burn the furniture before allowing OSU, Michigan, Oregon, Penn Sr tv money walk out the door. “Don’t leave me”. Maybe it would be better (for fans) if they actually left…long term.
 

Panthadad2 said:
And yet the Vikings NEVER win it all. Ever. Not this year. Not next year, and everyone knows it. Yet they have every advantage in only a 32-team league.

In college football, every fanbase knows there's only a small number of teams that can win it all. If that top team happens to be on a schedule, everyone knows it's a loss 90+% of the time. Every other game is winnable for a decent team in the next tier (Gophers).

If you don't like that, then jump on the OSU/Alabama/Georgia bandwagon or go away and watch the Vikings not win a Super Bowl.
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LOL im sorry i thought I was having a conversation with adults.
 

BronkosGhost said:
When it gets to the point where you have to set your expectation level of winning 8 or 9 games is a great season it gets harder to justify watching.
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Everyone wanted the playoffs and super conferences, this is what you get with that.
 

Noted last week that paying my Comcast bill is a part in supporting CFB on the TV revenue side. Glad to help.

Did see an article that there are about 60 million cable subscribers that have not cut the cord yet...and of course the vast majority of households are in the 50 years+ age for the head-of-households.

Recruitment to both cable and satellite is abysmal for a number of reasons that I won't belabor. However, a day of fiscal reckoning is on the horizon as the couple of generations of cord-lovers finally bite the dust and lose their beloved box and remote. We'll see.
 

BronkosGhost said:
LOL im sorry i thought I was having a conversation with adults.
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Lol. Adults? You're on a college board weeping about the Gophers' inability to compete with the top 3-5 teams in football as if it's anything new.
 

BilldGopher said:
Noted last week that paying my Comcast bill is a part in supporting CFB on the TV revenue side. Glad to help.

Did see an article that there are about 60 million cable subscribers that have not cut the cord yet...and of course the vast majority of households are in the 50 years+ age for the head-of-households.

Recruitment to both cable and satellite is abysmal for a number of reasons that I won't belabor. However, a day of fiscal reckoning is on the horizon as the couple of generations of cord-lovers finally bite the dust and lose their beloved box and remote. We'll see.
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This potential TV revenue bubble is one reason why some BG10 members might be motivated to take big private equity money.
 

Panthadad2 said:
Lol. Adults? You're on a college board weeping about the Gophers' inability to compete with the top 3-5 teams in football as if it's anything new.
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Weeping? You don't seem to understand the difference between that and simply asking a question. Your statement that the Vikings wont ever win a SB is the apitamy of weeping. If you dont like my question don't respond. Throwing a temper tantrum and telling me to jump on some random teams bandwagon is silly amd immature.
 

DEGopher said:
Out of curiosity, what role do you think the $35MM to $3-5MM NIL disparity played a role in this game?

And who is responsible for that disparity, i think it’s on us as a fan base. But what do you think?
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So, to be clear, it is college fans that need to fund their teams. Correct?
 

Panthadad2 said:
This potential TV revenue bubble is one reason why some BG10 members might be motivated to take big private equity money.
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If true (which I doubt - the broadcasters will get their pound of flesh) more a reason not to dilute your own share.

There is NO reason for the big ten or SEC to jump in bed with PE that makes any sense, and it will inevitably lead to even worse decisions down the road. “Once you start down the dark PE path, forever will it dominate your destiny”.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
If true (which I doubt - the broadcasters will get their pound of flesh) more a reason not to dilute your own share.

There is NO reason for the big ten or SEC to jump in bed with PE that makes any sense, and it will inevitably lead to even worse decisions down the road. “Once you start down the PE path, forever will it dominate your destiny”.
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All true. It gets down to future streaming projections and money. If BG10 members feel that future streaming revenue from the current younger generations won't replace cable TV money, there will be consideration of taking some of that risk off the table. I won't pretend to know their budgets and expectations so have no idea.

What I think I know is that the current $$ situation is unsustainable.
 

BronkosGhost said:
Im sorry but the fact that Minnesota who is in the same conference as OSU cant even score one TD is embarrassing and a telling sign of how far apart they are from OSU. The Gophers will never make up that difference and their stat line just confirms that.
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You are right....we are no where close to on the same level as Ohio State.....neither is Wisconsin, Iowa, Rutgers, Washington, UCLA, Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, Nebraska, USC......

Oregon might, and that is a huge might, be the only team in the Big Ten this year that can hang with Ohio State. Michigan, Penn State....sometimes can but this year seems highly unlikely having seen both of them play.

If your standard is Ohio State then you are wasting your time following the majority of teams in power 4.
 



MZBKA1 said:
The talent that the team puts on the field matters. The head coach at the end of the day recruits the talent. Yes, it matters who the head coach is when building a program.
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I don't see how anyone could dispute your first two sentences. As to your third sentence, I'd say that's conditional. For example, the best teachers, recruiters, and administrators in the world will not turn a lower tier state university into Stanford when it comes to academic appeal. There are long-term reputational and resource issues that are quite durable over time. Locational factors also play a part and those don't help this program when it comes to recruiting.

It's possible for a program like this one to achieve consistent success on the level of a program like Iowa. Reaching the level of Ohio State very likely is a bridge too far. That's all right with me. I don't care about National Championships. I just want a team that consistently wins more than it loses. Having said that, I can't deny that games like last night's really depress my faith in the program.
 
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Pompous Elitist said:
If true (which I doubt - the broadcasters will get their pound of flesh) more a reason not to dilute your own share.

There is NO reason for the big ten or SEC to jump in bed with PE that makes any sense, and it will inevitably lead to even worse decisions down the road. “Once you start down the dark PE path, forever will it dominate your destiny”.
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BronkosGhost said:
Thats called being realistic!

They fill up stadiums becasue despite the lack of a SB win they know theres a chance. The Vikings have been closer to a SB win in the last 60+ years than the Gophers have been to a conference title game in the last 50 years.
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Vikes get to NFC title game on average once every 10 years. Gophers have been one win from Conference championship game multiple time in Kill/Fleck era. Very similar profiles. NFL is king.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Vikes get to NFC title game on average once every 10 years. Gophers have been one win from Conference championship game multiple time in Kill/Fleck era. Very similar profiles. NFL is king.
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I don't think stats or logic matter to this dude, he's trying to fan flames.
 

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