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I said in another thread this team was not that good and would lose to A&M and Miami (FL) next week. I got ripped for it and would like to hear from those people now. We trailed the entire game against an average A&M team and only because they couldnt make FTs we were still in the game. This team has no shooters and no scorers. Westbrook looks very disinterested this year and he is our only hope. Tubby was outcoached in consecutive games and looks half-asleep on the bench at times. After the Miami loss they need to win every non-conference game and 10-11 B10 games to have a chance at making the tourney.
 

You are speaking about the Miami game as if it already happened. I cannot believe that you are ready to give up on this team already, but you're welcome to do so. We're basically the same team as last year, but with an additional year under our belts. To me, this means we will have a similar result, or a little better.

I disagree about Tubby being out-coached. It's certainly possible that our team was truly not prepared for a zone, etc, but I find that unlikely. You can only put the players out there with a plan; then it's up to them. Also, I think it's safe to say that a veteran coach like Tubby doesn't live and die play-to-play. He's seen it all before, so I'm not too surprised at him looking calm out there even if things are going poorly.

As I said, you're definitely welcome to your opinions, but you probably haven't been paying attention if these problems we are having are catching you totally off guard. They should be expected since the majority of the roster is the same as last year.

Just my thoughts.
 

gophermanic said:
I said in another thread this team was not that good and would lose to A&M and Miami (FL) next week. I got ripped for it and would like to hear from those people now. We trailed the entire game against an average A&M team and only because they couldnt make FTs we were still in the game. This team has no shooters and no scorers. Westbrook looks very disinterested this year and he is our only hope. Tubby was outcoached in consecutive games and looks half-asleep on the bench at times. After the Miami loss they need to win very non-conference game and 10-11 B10 games to have a chance at making the tourney.
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I wasn't one who ripped you, I was the one who said all that in the first place...looks like we were right.
 

Year Will Be Same Length As Any Other

Season is 6 games old.

It will be 30 games long, like most others.

Then comes postseason tourney action.
 

You are spewing your negative hating crap over on this board too?

Just post one post and say you think all Gopher programs are terrible and predict losses for all of them and be done with it.
 


Season is 6 games old.

It will be 30 games long, like most others.

Then comes postseason tourney action.
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When you say postseason, you mean the NIT right? This is not a tourney team unless we get White and Trevor back.
 

I've just accepted the fact that Gophermanic is what he says he is: manic. As such, I just kind of watch the posts roll in after every loss. It's as predictable as the sun coming up in the east.
 

Which Postseason?

NIT or NCAA, the way this team looked this weekend I would say the first one. I know it is early yet but clearly this team has a lack of focus and who can blame them with all the distractions surrounding this team. I love having Tubby here and love our future but ulitmately there is something going on with discipline when we have had 5 players get out of line. I know Trevors was before he got here but this progam is in need of some focus otherwise we will be seeing the most 3 hated letters for any team come March
 

gophermanic said:
When you say postseason, you mean the NIT right? This is not a tourney team unless we get White and Trevor back.
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I agree. Hopefully, Royce and Trevor will be back by the start of the Big Ten schedule.
 



5 players out of line? Westbrook and Nolan were hardly out of line, they missed 1 half of basketball as a wake up call for minor things.
 


Minor things that ultimately cost us 9 points and a quality non conference win.
 

bankonit said:
5 players out of line? Westbrook and Nolan were hardly out of line, they missed 1 half of basketball as a wake up call for minor things.
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Still not a good sign. How dumb must you be to get in to trouble when so much trouble has hurt this squad already? Even if it was missing curfew by ten minutes--use your heads.
 



gophermaniac and Tubbytown - the first to bail!
I recall Mr. Maniac told us all last year we wouldn't go to the dance. So glad he knows all!
 

tikited said:
Still not a good sign. How dumb must you be to get in to trouble when so much trouble has hurt this squad already? Even if it was missing curfew by ten minutes--use your heads.
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Agreed - What is going on?
 

tikited
Couldn't agree more, you would expect a lot more from a Senior leader and a Junior PG, I love having Tubby here but 5 suspensions in the first 6 games there needs to be better focus by both the coaches and players.
 

Moonlight said:
gophermaniac and Tubbytown - the first to bail!
I recall Mr. Maniac told us all last year we wouldn't go to the dance. So glad he knows all!
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Can I predict the Gophers will lose every game like Gophermanic and Tubbytown and then come on here and say "I told you so" and look very smart? And if the Gophers pull off a win I can say it was against a weak team or we got lucky? I am covered either way.
 

should have had this win. will just learn from it i hope. bad shot choice at the end of the game. would have liked to have at least seen a shot get off at the end of the game. i still see this team as a ten win team in the big ten.
 

Chill out everyone. Beginning of the year with a few distractions we are dealing with. Anyone who is bailing on this team is an idiot! Tubby will use this tournament as a teaching tool. He is not going to panic (like some of you). We have enough talent, and we will, finish in the top 5 of the big ten. Tubby will have the team ready to go. Mark this down: We will beat Miami this week and the rest of the pre season games heading into big ten play. Geez! calm down. We are early in the season.......
 

bankonit said:
Can I predict the Gophers will lose every game like Gophermanic and Tubbytown and then come on here and say "I told you so" and look very smart? And if the Gophers pull off a win I can say it was against a weak team or we got lucky? I am covered either way.
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I have to agree, these "experts" aren't psychics, they're cynics.

the gophers are both a team that is improving and a group of young men learning hard lessons about life and teamwork being guided by someone who is the right guy for this task.
 

I'll say this: we need the suspended players because for the most part we are putting the the 08-09 team out there. nolan,sampson,westbrook,and suprisingly devoe havent showed imrovement yet, the only players that have shown improvement so far are carter,johnson, and iverson. cobb and rodney are "freshman good" hence the excitement of signing trevor and royce to take pressure off all of these players. if we get one of them we'll be better, if we get both we'll be great
 

At some point a ban is in order. It's like you enjoy rubbing it in GopherManic. I thought I was pissed about the game, but seeing your thread took it to a whole new level. This was a bad loss, just like the Portland loss. I am not giving up on a team after 2 bad losses that were largely due to bad shooting by the Gophers. Do I worry that this team may never shoot any better? After the Portland game? Not at all. After A&M? I think it has to be considered. If they don't shoot any better, their the same team they were last year (one that will overwhelm many teams with depth/athleticism, but not able to beat good ball clubs) which will make them a tourney team. I certainly hope for more than a "one and done" tourney appearance this year. It's so early in the year that this could still be a "remember when?" type occurance. In February, we could beat a top 20 team on the road by 15 and be asking "remember when we couldn't throw it in the ocean in the 76 classic?"
 

GopherManic and a select number of others love to troll for reaction. Best way to handle it is to ignore threads that they start.
 

EG#9 said:
At some point a ban is in order. It's like you enjoy rubbing it in GopherManic. I thought I was pissed about the game, but seeing your thread took it to a whole new level. This was a bad loss, just like the Portland loss. I am not giving up on a team after 2 bad losses that were largely due to bad shooting by the Gophers. Do I worry that this team may never shoot any better? After the Portland game? Not at all. After A&M? I think it has to be considered. If they don't shoot any better, their the same team they were last year (one that will overwhelm many teams with depth/athleticism, but not able to beat good ball clubs) which will make them a tourney team. I certainly hope for more than a "one and done" tourney appearance this year. It's so early in the year that this could still be a "remember when?" type occurance. In February, we could beat a top 20 team on the road by 15 and be asking "remember when we couldn't throw it in the ocean in the 76 classic?"
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You're right that this same team last year made the tournament. The big difference is, we didn't lose any bad games in the non-conference portion of our schedule, and we had a win against a team who was a 1 seed come selection time. This year we have lost to 2 terrible teams, and our win that looked to be decent at the time is proving to be nothing more than average as I expected. So even if we play similar to last year in the Big 10, we will not be dancing come March due to some "bad losses" and no "good wins"
 

"This year we have lost to 2 terrible teams."

So you've already decided Portland and Texas A&M are terrible teams? That they're definitely going to be "bad losses" in the eyes of the Selection Committee? You're not going to let the rest of the season play out to see how Portland & Texas A&M do? Maybe both Portland and A&M go on to so-so seasons, who knows, but I'm not ready to say either is a bad loss at this point of the season. I think it's safer to say a "bad loss" will be if the Gophers lose any of their nonconference home games.

I agree with you on one thing. ... the Gophers will have nowhere near the quality of win (in the nonconference) that we had last season. I still think in the end Butler will be a win that helps us, but you're right, it won't carry the cache of beating the #1 overall seed.
 

SelectionSunday said:
"This year we have lost to 2 terrible teams."

So you've already decided Portland and Texas A&M are terrible teams? That they're definitely going to be "bad losses" in the eyes of the Selection Committee? You're not going to let the rest of the season play out to see how Portland & Texas A&M do? Maybe Portland does go on to a so-so season, but I'm not ready to say they're a bad loss this early. A "bad loss" will be if the Gophers lose any of their nonconference home games.

I agree with you on one thing. ... the Gophers will have nowhere near the quality of win (in the nonconference) that we had last season. I still think in the end Butler will be a win that helps us, but you're right, it won't carry the cache of beating the #1 overall seed.
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SS, you're right that we will have no signature victory like Louisville. However, don't you think that wins over Butler, Miami and St. Joe's (if that's how it plays out) combine to give us about the same level of non-coference strength as last year? I just find it hard to say that 10-2 while playing 4 decent games (recognizing Portland and St. Joe's arent 'great' games) isn't equal to 12-0 while only playing 1.5 decent game (I'll count UVa as .5).
 

I think overall the Gophers' nonconference resume will be stronger this season as long as they beat Miami. In my opinion, 2-2 in road/neutral-site games vs. (presumably) quality teams (Butler, Portland, Texas A&M & Miami) trumps 1-0 (neutral-site Louisville & basically nothing other than a couple automatic qualifiers at home) and the weak nonconference SOS we had last season. Because of the 76 Classic, our nonconference SOS is likely to be much stronger this season. However, lose to the Hurricanes and go 1-3 & I think it ends up looking pretty similar. Stronger nonconference SOS, yes, but minus the "signature" win.

Bottom line is I'll feel pretty good about the Gophers' at-large candidacy heading into the Big 10 season if they beat Miami. They'll have a much larger margin for error. If they don't beat Miami, we're in roughly the same position as 2008-09.
 

Bottom line is I'll feel pretty good about the Gophers' at-large candidacy heading into the Big 10 season if they beat Miami. They'll have a much larger margin for error. If they don't beat Miami, we're in roughly the same position as 2008-09.
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Is that assuming that the Big Ten will still be as highly ranked at the end of the year?

Even though it's the beginning of the year I can see us, Illinois, and Michigan, not in the top 25 after the poll comes out today.
 

Even if the Big 10 doesn't turn out to be as good as advertised, the Big 10 season will provide the Gophers plenty of opportunities for quality wins. But they'll have to make sure they're not just beating up on the bottom (Indiana, Iowa, Penn State) of the league. They'll have to get a few wins vs. the "right" teams, most specifically the Purdues, Michigan States and Ohio States of the world.
 

It's a little early to be giving up on the season, jeesch! Go away if you're that fair weather....but I will say this....what was disappoiting to me was how unwatchable this team currently is.

Tubby needs to step up his coaching; But give up? Come on.
 

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