Glen Mason as Hoosiers coach?

Much of that was the result of creampuff non-conference schedules. Mason gave us two winning Big Ten seasons in 10 years. Gutekunst gave us two winning Big Ten seasons in 6 years. Gutekunst played 9 BCS teams in the non-conference schedule, five of those were ranked opponents, and three of them were in the top 10. Mason played three non-conference BCS opponents, Iowa State, Baylor and #22 California.

Plus there was a lot more bowls in Mason's tenure than there was in Gutekunst's. Had there been as many bowls as there are today, Gutekunst would have gotten us to bowl games in 4 of his 6 years.
 

I didn't say impossible: I said difficult. And, you have to be a bit lucky. And, the "outright" championship happens very seldom.

Alvarez and Ferentz have had administrations that have dedicated themselves to having good, competetive programs. (iowa has done this since back in Haydon's day.)

It is going to be a while until the U of M breaks above the 5-3 "level" of having a good, solid program and having a little bit of luck to go with it. It's going to be a long, hard pull. It will be worth the effort. There is the possibility that someday it may happen IF the new prexy brings in a top-notch AD who realizes that the Football Program needs the most attention and will be essential to all the other programs supported by the athletic department.

Obtaining a new football coach can bring hope...but...it also DEMANDS a great athletic director and a strong enough prexy to keep the committment to the football program to mean more than just "talking about" having a committment to provide a strong football program for the players, coaches, fans and the state of Minnesota. To do that, the level of committment will need to go WAY beyond what prexy b and maturi have done. WAY beyond...

It takes a LOT more than having an on campus stadium and bringing in a new coach every 4 or 5 years. And, when you get a coach who improves things, the administration needs to improve things on their end too. The new stadium probably kept brewster from being any worse than he was. He was over-matched and under-experienced and too much talk and not enough coaching. The new coach will have the stadium in place but, he will need a lot more committment from the administration than just that. After only two years, the thrill of the new stadium is gone. Now it it time for the administration to dig deeply. The administration MUST be upgraded from what we have had.

And, it still will be tough to climb above 5-3 in Big Ten play.

I'm not talking championships. I'm talking about being competitive year-in and year-out on a consistent basis on the field and in the area of recruiting. I know you really liked Mason, but he was 5-3 twice and 4-4 twice in ten years. 2 years above .500 out of 10. That is simply not acceptable. He had some handicaps in playing off-campus in the worst stadium in the country, but he did not promote this program to the level where it was taken seriously in this state or in the Big 10. Sure he had his finer moments. Some really nice upsets. But the program was choppy and inconsistent.

I don't say this to impugn Mason. I thought he did alright. But we can and should expect more.

Not to channel Denny Green, but luck is often the by-product of preparation. I agree that that preparation has to include strong support from the athletic administration and the university administration, but I'm tired of casting the runes and seeing how the season will turn out. Wisconsin and Iowa turned their programs around. We can do it as well.
 

The amount of hatred for Mason on this board astounds me. Before Mason we had been nothing for years. With Mason we became respectable. I know 5/6 of other G-Holers will disagree and say Mason was a chump, couldn't win the big game, etc, but you cannot argue the fact that he brought us to a level that we are not currently at.

One can both appreciate Mason for what he did here and hate him at the same time. I'm in that boat, in fact. I hate him because he had all the momentum in the world and could have returned the U to a position of national prominence, but he gave up. After he crapped the bed against Michigan in 2003, and was turned down by mother OSU, he mailed it in. The fact that he was able to draw three more years' worth of salary and sail off into the sunset with a healthy buyout is criminal. He did just as much to destroy the program in his last 3 years as he did to build it up in his first 6.5.
 

One can both appreciate Mason for what he did here and hate him at the same time. I'm in that boat, in fact. I hate him because he had all the momentum in the world and could have returned the U to a position of national prominence, but he gave up. After he crapped the bed against Michigan in 2003, and was turned down by mother OSU, he mailed it in. The fact that he was able to draw three more years' worth of salary and sail off into the sunset with a healthy buyout is criminal. He did just as much to destroy the program in his last 3 years as he did to build it up in his first 6.5.

+1. You said it better than I did.
 

Much of that was the result of creampuff non-conference schedules. Mason gave us two winning Big Ten seasons in 10 years. Gutekunst gave us two winning Big Ten seasons in 6 years. Gutekunst played 9 BCS teams in the non-conference schedule, five of those were ranked opponents, and three of them were in the top 10. Mason played three non-conference BCS opponents, Iowa State, Baylor and #22 California.

Plus there was a lot more bowls in Mason's tenure than there was in Gutekunst's. Had there been as many bowls as there are today, Gutekunst would have gotten us to bowl games in 4 of his 6 years.

Wasn't Mason hired to replace Wacker?
 


Wasn't Mason hired to replace Wacker?

Yes, he was, I'm just providing perspective. What Mason accomplished wasn't head and shoulders above what Gutekunst did. You said "Before Mason we had been nothing for years." Years is a bit vauge. We were awful from the last year of the Gutekunst era through the 5 years of the Wacker era, but it does depend on what is meant by years.
 

I would be really, really surprised if Indiana hired Mason.
 

Yes, he was, I'm just providing perspective. What Mason accomplished wasn't head and shoulders above what Gutekunst did. You said "Before Mason we had been nothing for years." Years is a bit vauge. We were awful from the last year of the Gutekunst era through the 5 years of the Wacker era, but it does depend on what is meant by years.

Ok that makes sense, sorry if my question was snarky. It's hard to pull my head out long enough to breath fresh air sometimes.
 

"Big Ten wins"

This from the same guy who insisted quite some time ago (while Glen was coach) that all wins were the same. "1 win = 1 win, none greater than the other. Each win is worth .08333 in a 12-game season."

Looks like Wren finally figured out that conference wins are more important than the (mostly cupcake) nonconference wins the Gophers had under Glen. Good job, Wren, you finally came around. Looks like you now understand why some folks didn't get all excited every time Glen's pre-Big Ten record was 4-0.
 



This from the same guy who insisted quite some time ago (while Glen was coach) that all wins were the same. "1 win = 1 win, none greater than the other. Each win is worth .08333 in a 12-game season."

+1

This is why I can't take wren seriously at all. When Mason was coach he defended the cream-puff non-conference schedule because 1 win was as good as any other. Suddenly when Brewster came along it all became about Big Ten wins.
 

Bayfield: Here is the deal... For Bayfield's eyes only...too long for others...

When Nebraska Football hit hard times, the University of Nebraska turned to Tom Osborne to save the program. The University of Nebraska and the state of Nebraska valued their football program too much to see it turn into a tarnished, laughing stock of a program. They were headed in the wrong direction and all too soon might have found themselves wandering in the wilderness. But, they called upon the Moses of Lincoln...their great, still living, legendary football coach who had brought them National Championships to lead them and to keep them from faltering. He has brought them into the Big Ten Conference. Husker Football still reigns supreme in the state of Nebraska. They put football above all other sports played by the University of Nebraska. The administration at the U of Neb was not foolish enough to let football slip too far. Great waves of Nebraska fans will travel anywhere and everywhere to watch their Huskers play.

Or, look to the east: in Madison, wisky football was lost in their wilderness. They hired a Chancellor who realized just how important the football program could be to a great University. Donna S. was a smart enough administrator to go out and bring in a Badger legend who had played a big part in the last era of success that Badger Football had experienced. She brought Pat Richter back home to Madison. He had been a beloved Badger Football hero. He had been a successful busisness exec. She brought him home to FIX FOOTBALL. He cut some non-revenue sports, including baseball and he hired Barry Alvarez. And, the administration at the University of Wisconsin got on board behind the football program. They poured a lot of financial resources into making Camp Radall the "other" football palace in Wisconsin. The Football Stadium and the Football Program fit hand and hand in the branding of the Univrersity of Wisconsin as an academic institution and a Big Ten Game Day Saturday EVENT. The administration at the Unviersity of Wisconsin first loved Badger Football...then the students and alumni loved Badger Football....then the entire state of wisky loved Badger Football AND Packer Football. They will travel to any corner of the country to watch their badgers play.

In Iowa, they have committed time, resources and and a lot of state pride into Hawkeye Football. It started with Hayden and when he got too old and tired, they transferred their passion to the Ferentz version of Hawkeyeism. For the past quarter of a century or longer,they have put passion, resources, contributions and travelling where ever their team went on the high priority level through out the state of Iowa. And the administrations at the Unviersity of Iowa have not been ashamed of the passion for the University that football has created. Right now, they have agreed to pay Ferentz 3.75 million a year to run their football program.

And you are satisfied with what prexy b and maturi have done once the stadium has been built? Bayfield: they thought the new stadium would sell itself for four or five years. They had the gall to hire a totally inexperienced coach to bring Gopher Football back to the campus????? They had NO love of the passion football could instill upon the students of the U of M. They watched on as their coach ran countless offensive and defensive coordinators through the program...year after year once the shovels broke ground for the nerly 300 million dollar stadium. Position coaches came and left. The program was run in utter chaos. There was inadequate coaching leadership and there was inadequate administrative leadership for those who were in charge of the coach. They even extended their failing coach after the collapse of the second half for the 2009 season.

What should have been a unifying, building and very exciting return to the campus ended up being a real nightmare for student athletes, coaches, students at the U of M, alumni, fans and the general public through out the state of Minnesota. Iowa, Wisconsin and Nebraska conducted administrative clinics in "HOW TO KEEP FOOTBALL VITAL" to their great universities, the administration at the Unviersity of Minnesota turned this last great chance into a fiasco and terribly sad, comedy of errors.

What is the image that has been created for the University of Minnesota as a result of this terrible showing by the administration at the University of Minnesota? What kind of excitement, hope, passion and unity has the return to the campus for football game day Saturdays caused in Minneapolis vs. Lincoln, Iowa City and Madison? In those places the administrations of each university have a love for their football program...have a passion for their football program. It moves along to the students...the alumni...the fans...and the people of the state or people who have a connection with the state. At the U of M no administrators have had that same passion and that same desire to make football the number one non-academic priority for their tenure as prexy or ad. At Minnesota, the administration wants to be the king or queen of "olympic sports..." NOTHING sells the school like football. And we don't have administrators who will sell football above all the other sports. It is not good to pay a hoops coach two to two and a half times as much as a football coach...that is a DEAD give away of where maturi and prexy b value the football program...even after just investing 300 million into a new stadium...they just ASSUMED people would be happy to just see and be in a new stadium. They didn't care who they hired to build a program to give the fans, students and alumni a good enough reason to come to the stadium. They didn't hire a teacher, builder and coach...they hired a guy with a line ...a regular high-energy b.s. machine. They just DON'T get it Bayfield.

Most people have NO confidence in our athletic director to pull a "Pat Richter" type of hire for the football program to try to clean up the mess his brewster hire created? prexy b has overseen this entire mess. Thank heavens he will soon be gone. May Prexy K understand how important football is to the unviersity and may he understand that his football program MUST be able to compete and win their share of games against Nebraska, Iowa and Wisconsin, or there will be severe consequences to the image of the football program and even the institution in the eyes of the citizens of the state of Minnsota the alumni, the students and the youngsters growing up in the state of Minnesota.

No, Bayfield, I really do not have much confidence that any hire maturi and prexy b oversee will take us beyond the 5-3 Big Ten mark for a very long time...if ever. But, I will always hope for better.

So, this one's for you Bayfield. I certainly wouldn't advise anyone else to read it. You wanted me to tell you what I think...so, I have. Please, no one else read this. It will be too long for you. I have confidence that Bayfield can survive even the length of this response to him...
 

At least we know we could score 35+ points against Indiana every time we play them. But I think Mase is gonna stay with the BTN. I sure as hell would if I were him. It's a good gig with tons of job security and he's still really involved with what he loves (besides coaching teams to lower tier bowl games).

Mason would spend an equal amount of effort on recruiting in either job. Actually, as a BTN network he might have to talk about recruiting occasionally, so that may have a slight edge.

If Mason took over iu, Hoosier fans would see the ol' bucket about as often as we saw the axe.
 

Darrenthegreek: Brewster couldn't win cremepuff games OR Big Ten games. I saw a bad coach the minute Brewster appeared on the scene.

I also saw tons of mismanagement by prexy b and maturi for bringing in Brewster at the same time construction on the new stadium was starting. Just the concept of having a 300 million dollar stadium and having a coach who was earning less than half of what the hoops coach was making showed me how careless prexy b and maturi were and how little they valued their long-suffering football fan base and the players in the football program. As the constant change of position coaches and coordinators continued into the second and third seasons, it was evident that the administration had NO idea of what to do with the football program. The extension of Brewster's contract at the end of the 2009 season told me that 2010 was going to be the year of the lame duck for the University of Minnesota football program. prexy b was a lame duck. maturi was totally lame. Brewster was entirely lame as well. It was evident that NOTHING Brewster did in 2010 could save him. That he was fired mid-season was surprising, but, not entirely unpredictable.

The only way to compare Mason and Brewster in a meaningful way was just to look at their Big Ten records...because Big Ten play is Big Ten play and non-conference play can only hurt you...if you lose. Brewster lost more Big Ten games and more non-conference creme-puff games.

So, whether you take it seriously or not...we will be able to start grading out any new coaching hire right away in the first season once Big Ten play starts. We'll just compare the Big Ten wins and losses for every Gopher Coach in their first year for as long back as anyone cares to go. It is serious stuff, no matter how you try to spin it. But, don't feel bad...I have no reason to take you seriously either darrenthegreek. Now, if you name was Zorba...that might be a different thing...
; 0 )
 



I made it through Wren. No problemo. Thanks for your interesting perspective.

I have posted in the past where football must be one of the cornerstones of the UM in order for it to be revived. A top program can provide endless benefits to the university and there are examples of that across our country. Yet the UM has never embraced that vision or goal. Lip service does not and has not done the job nor does sending out a senseless dog (AD) to find a rabbit (coach).

How does the UM get there? It will certainly help if the new president has that vision. I have some confidence that he does as he was instrumental in making football relevant at Stony Brook. Can you imagine the UM faculty and students wearing maroon and gold on Fridays? That's what has happened at Stony Brook.

It will be interesting what Mr. Kaler does with Maturi. From what I have read, Kalor and the Stony Brook AD are on the same page, realize the instrinsic value in a strong football program, have the utmost respect for each other and have made a huge difference at Stony Brook.

Status quo will only result in more of the same. Mr. Kaler has a tough nut to crack and attitudes to change, if he has the nads to go there.

An interesting read for those that haven't had the chance: http://www.twincities.com/golf/ci_16627912?nclick_check=1
 




Top Bottom