Gabe Kalscheur appreciation thread

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Plato said:
So there are two pages of praise for a player who deserted MN to play for another school simply because he helped beat WI in the NCAA tournament.
And there are 20+ pages full of vitriol for an MN native who played for another school and helped them get into the NCAA multiple times.
That says a lot about some of the posters on this site.
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And you're a badger fan posting on gopher site.....
 

kg21 said:
Well, then I will never understand the yips.
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Yep, the Yips are mysterious. I would say the Yips are like a free throw shooter missing a shot to tie the game with 1 second on the shot but they stick around in even less intense situations. I would say they are a sign of over thinking or not being able to relax. I am almost more surprised the Yips don't happen to more people. I would love to know if or how much Gabe has worked with a sports psychologist.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Yeah, when you watch him warm up, he is hitting everything.
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Interesting, I hadn't noticed at how well he did during warmups. I wonder how Chuck Knoblauch did back in the day during warmups? Anyone know if it was just during games his throwing was fraught with errors.
 

kg21 said:
Well, then I will never understand the yips.
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After your post I thought I would look to see what published research I could find on the Yips. You will see that my oversimplification of the Yips is rather foolish although I knew I was simplifying it to some extent.

There are 47 publications investigating or reviewing the research in the field from 1989 to present. The majority of the research focuses on golf although many sports can be affected. It is acknowledged, without direct reference, that it has been known to occur in basketball. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Yips[Title/Abstract]&sort=

The most recent of the publications is a "Review" of the literature on the Yips, meaning they discuss what they understand is known by the breadth of the research on the topic and try to promote/guide where they think researchers need to move forward with their research. These kinds of publications don't present new data just potentially new thoughts and perspectives for other researcher to run with and guide new research. Here is the article, it is a bit long but reading the first page: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8698216/ including the Abstract (essentially a summary of the publication) is worth it for the curious.

I'll finish with throwing in some of the vocabulary I learned while looking up the research.

Dystonia=movement disorder characterized by involuntary contraction of muscles

TSD=Task Specific Dystonia=a form of focal dystonia that occurs in the context of the performance of selective, highly skilled, often repetitive, motor activity.

SRD= Sports Related Dystonia (sub group of TSD)=which may include the Yips
 

Plato said:
So there are two pages of praise for a player who deserted MN to play for another school simply because he helped beat WI in the NCAA tournament.
And there are 20+ pages full of vitriol for an MN native who played for another school and helped them get into the NCAA multiple times.
That says a lot about some of the posters on this site.
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There’s a little more to it than him deserting us. Gabe got plenty of hate and this thread seems to be more of an apology for it. If anything the way many didn’t value what he brought and could only focus on his 3 point shooting percentage was more sad than the Davison thread.
 


Plato said:
So there are two pages of praise for a player who deserted MN to play for another school simply because he helped beat WI in the NCAA tournament.
And there are 20+ pages full of vitriol for an MN native who played for another school and helped them get into the NCAA multiple times.
That says a lot about some of the posters on this site.
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One was a local kid who was very likable and played here for multiple years.

the other.....

Liked to punch guys in the nuts and flop around on the court

Not real hard to figure out why the two players are viewed differently
 

Ragnor said:
After your post I thought I would look to see what published research I could find on the Yips. You will see that my oversimplification of the Yips is rather foolish although I knew I was simplifying it to some extent.

There are 47 publications investigating or reviewing the research in the field from 1989 to present. The majority of the research focuses on golf although many sports can be affected. It is acknowledged, without direct reference, that it has been known to occur in basketball. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Yips[Title/Abstract]&sort=

The most recent of the publications is a "Review" of the literature on the Yips, meaning they discuss what they understand is known by the breadth of the research on the topic and try to promote/guide where they think researchers need to move forward with their research. These kinds of publications don't present new data just potentially new thoughts and perspectives for other researcher to run with and guide new research. Here is the article, it is a bit long but reading the first page: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8698216/ including the Abstract (essentially a summary of the publication) is worth it for the curious.

I'll finish with throwing in some of the vocabulary I learned while looking up the research.

Dystonia=movement disorder characterized by involuntary contraction of muscles

TSD=Task Specific Dystonia=a form of focal dystonia that occurs in the context of the performance of selective, highly skilled, often repetitive, motor activity.

SRD= Sports Related Dystonia (sub group of TSD)=which may include the Yips
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Interesting stuff. It is crazy when the Yips happen to high profile athletes, Knoblauch was a prime example where he just couldn't make a throw that he had made thousands of times over the course of his baseball career.

You see this happen to kickers in small doses where they will suddenly get in a rut where they miss multiple easy kicks in a row, kicks they have done thousands to times.
 

MNVCGUY said:
One was a local kid who was very likable and played here for multiple years.

the other.....

Liked to punch guys in the nuts and flop around on the court

Not real hard to figure out why the two players are viewed differently
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Yup. Bad news sells papers. Every time a news org starts a "good news" paper or channel, it is quickly shuttered due to low viewership. It's more fun to complain about Davison's poor sportsmanship than celebrate Gabe's middling career after he left our program.
 

Jarret Culver and Markelle Fultz are too modern nba players who really struggled with the yips. Gabe and Peyton Willis (free throw %) look like they have good form, the ball just doesn't go in much, more metal yips, while Culver and Fultz displayed physical and mental yips
 




Spottedmuskie said:
Returning for one more season at Iowa State.
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Makes sense....doesn't have a future in the NBA so may as well take advantage of that extra covid year. Hopefully he can somehow rediscover his shooting stroke and go out on a high note. The decline in his 3 point shooting percentage every year has been tough to see. I see that he also only made 66% of his free throws after being an 86% free throw shooter for us the year before.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Makes sense....doesn't have a future in the NBA so may as well take advantage of that extra covid year. Hopefully he can somehow rediscover his shooting stroke and go out on a high note. The decline in his 3 point shooting percentage every year has been tough to see. I see that he also only made 66% of his free throws after being an 86% free throw shooter for us the year before.
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Seems mental, like a hitter in baseball. Could benefit from a sports psychologist, I'm sure he's been to some type already, or maybe a different shooting coach?
 

If Bryn Forbes can make it in the league, Gabe can. Gabe is a better defender and taller. Just needs a great year shooting, which is asking a lot given his previous years.
 



Spottedmuskie said:
Seems mental, like a hitter in baseball. Could benefit from a sports psychologist, I'm sure he's been to some type already, or maybe a different shooting coach?
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Or maybe he just never was that good of a shooter to begin with and just had a good year. Sorry but if every year you get worse that is not mental that is a trend.
 

Spottedmuskie said:
Seems mental, like a hitter in baseball. Could benefit from a sports psychologist, I'm sure he's been to some type already, or maybe a different shooting coach?
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After 3 straight years I’m not sure a sports psychologist is going to solve anything.
 

Dave H said:
Or maybe he just never was that good of a shooter to begin with and just had a good year. Sorry but if every year you get worse that is not mental that is a trend.
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Wasn't the three point line moved back a bit after Gabe's Freshman year. I also think part of his freshman success was because Amir is a very talented passer and could find him when open, where as Carr was more ball dominant
 

Fleckoff said:
Wasn't the three point line moved back a bit after Gabe's Freshman year. I also think part of his freshman success was because Amir is a very talented passer and could find him when open, where as Carr was more ball dominant
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And not a particularly good passer, especially from the inside out. Gabe chased a lot of passes when he was setting to shoot. Not an explanation, but merely an observation.
 

Fleckoff said:
Wasn't the three point line moved back a bit after Gabe's Freshman year. I also think part of his freshman success was because Amir is a very talented passer and could find him when open, where as Carr was more ball dominant
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I made this same statement last year. Moving that line had a big effect on him. Take it from some one who was a shooter before the three point line came into existence, I would move further out onto the floor to see how comfortable I was from distance. There came a point where my percentage would just fall off. Whether it was do to strength or whatever there was a distance where I felt very comfortable and then there was a point where I just didn’t shoot with the same accuracy. I still think this is what happened to Gabe. He was very comfortable at the shorter top of the key distance, when it moved back he never was the same.
 


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