From a respectful Buckeye fan: How Gophers can win on Sat

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maxwellsmart said:
Yeah, and you'd also run triple option, as though it's like pushing buttons on your Playstation.
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I didn't say run triple option. You can incorporate triple option type plays designed at attacking the edge without having to run that offense for 60 minutes can't you? Or can the MN coaches not wrap their brains around that concept?
 

One thing I have not heard mentioned anywhere- the Gophers seem to have played up or down to the level of their opponent somewhat since the start of the Big Ten Season. I would argue that Northwestern, Purdue and Illinois are less 'talent' rich teams while Michigan and Iowa would be considered more 'talented'. I'm crossing my fingers that this trend continues through the rest of the season.

I'm also hoping for so much snow on Saturday that Ohio State's road greys will be invisible farther than 5 yards away. Leidner simply has to throw at the Gold hats streaking down the field- BAM. We are Ric Flairing all day and making snow angels on the 50 yard line after the game.
 

There's always the chance that J.T. is about as good as Peyton in cold weather.
 

Unbiasedbuckeye said:
I didn't say run triple option. You can incorporate triple option type plays designed at attacking the edge without having to run that offense for 60 minutes can't you? Or can the MN coaches not wrap their brains around that concept?
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There we go. Now this is what you really came here for, isn't it?
 

Are you like the Fox News of Buckeye fans? If you have to label yourself unbiased, you're not unbiased.
 



maxwellsmart said:
There we go. Now this is what you really came here for, isn't it?
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Nope. I came here to have a friendly discussion of how I think MN can win this one. My pals over on the Ohio State boards don't even want to talk about the possibility of MN winning. They think Ohio State is going to blowout MN no matter what happens. I disagree very much. Which is why I wanted to get some fresh perspectives from people who know MN best. Likewise, I know Ohio State backwards and forwards and can offer some perspective from the other side. Just don't talk down to me in a condescending manner as though I don't understand the game of football. That is all I ask.
 

e.bigelow said:
LOL
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No, I'm not biased. Go on Eleven Warriors and look at the predictions. You will see a lot of Ohio State 56, Minnesota 7 picks. That is biased.

Hell, I even picked Ohio State to lose last weekend 34-17 to MSU. I know the flaws of my team. I know we are not a top 15 team. I'm very realistic about our shortcomings.
 




Unbiasedbuckeye said:
I didn't say run triple option. You can incorporate triple option type plays designed at attacking the edge without having to run that offense for 60 minutes can't you? Or can the MN coaches not wrap their brains around that concept?
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We run zone read and jet sweep and power. We aren't great at attacking the edge and don't really do it with our rbs. We are straight ahead down hill, and try to create creases to slip through. Maybe we do something different but I doubt it.

The teams that have been able to stop us were all coming off a bye, otherwise we have run well. Requires a disciplined approach, I'm hoping the short week means you have to rely on athleticism and talent and we can create some holes. Cobb rarely goes down on first contact.

I would compare Iowas dline with yours. They have great tackles and a good pass rushing end. I think bosa is superior to ott, but I don't think your DTs are that superior to iowa. I imagine your lbs are quite a bit better, theirs are young.
 

If the Gophers play "d" like they did against Iowa I don't see the Buck o's putting up 50 points. With the weather conditions, more like 20 points. The question is whether we can get 3 touchdowns in the same conditions.
 

Section2 said:
We run zone read and jet sweep and power. We aren't great at attacking the edge and don't really do it with our rbs. We are straight ahead down hill, and try to create creases to slip through. Maybe we do something different but I doubt it.

The teams that have been able to stop us were all coming off a bye, otherwise we have run well. Requires a disciplined approach, I'm hoping the short week means you have to rely on athleticism and talent and we can create some holes. Cobb rarely goes down on first contact.

I would compare Iowas dline with yours. They have great tackles and a good pass rushing end. I think bosa is superior to ott, but I don't think your DTs are that superior to iowa. I imagine your lbs are quite a bit better, theirs are young.
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Ok, that is good to know. I haven't had the chance to watch nearly as much MN football as I would like. I used to watch it a lot back when you guys had that RB tandem with Laurence Maroney and another very good RB whose name I'm trying to remember. Was it Amir Pinnix? Ahh, I can't remember his name. I would still try to find a way to attack the edge with someone. Ohio State's weakside and middle linebackers have been slow to react to edge runs. I think you will also have some success pounding it up the middle. Ohio State doesn't give up huge runs up the middle, but you can gash them for some pretty good ones. MSU also did a good job of using our quick penetration against us on several plays. I know you guys will do the same. Is Cobb a threat in receiving game?
 

rubbing our faces in it on a Wed. The Wed. before the game. consarnit!
 



GopherWeatherGuy said:
The Gophers held TCU to their lowest point total of the season, on the road, and after turning the ball over 5 times. If Ohio State thinks they're going to roll into the bank and put up 50, they're in for a rude awakening. Ohio State won't score more than 30 this weekend, and that in itself will keep the Gophers in the game until the end.
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I read this and immediately pumped my fist and ripped off my tshirt. I then remembered the Purdue game. I calmly went to the tshirt drawer, put on another one, and re-crossed my fingers.
 

UnbiasedBuckeye, I'm happy that you posted, because this is the best discussion about the game itself we've had this week.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Boykin threw the ball 46 times against the Gophers, his second most attempts in a game this season. You think all of that came in the first half? They threw plenty in the second half and the Gophers shut them down.
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Correct and their coach was pissed after the game in how they played saying they can't settle for FG's in the Big12
 

Schnauzer said:
I read this and immediately pumped my fist and ripped off my tshirt. I then remembered the Purdue game. I calmly went to the tshirt drawer, put on another one, and re-crossed my fingers.
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^ Post of the day

I also had to change my shirt, however it was due to blowing snot out of my nose after reading that post!
 

The Gophers Oline has been really good at times this season. They gave Leidner and Cobb plenty of time and room against Michigan, Iowa, and a few other teams. They did not do very well against TCU and I'm not sure how much of that was on TCU's strength and quickness (because they are very good) or whether it was just a bad game for them. If Leidner faces the type of pressure he faced against TCU and the Gophers have a similar game plan it could be tough.
I'm going with the Gophers Oline has gelled, is coming out mad, and they are to control the LOS this Saturday.
 

Between the two teams, we have seen good and bad performances throughout the season. For the Gophers to have a chance, we need them to show up like they did against Iowa and OSU to show up like they did against PSU. Almost every other scenario ends up in a OSU victory.
 

Unbiasedbuckeye said:
Ok, that is good to know. I haven't had the chance to watch nearly as much MN football as I would like. I used to watch it a lot back when you guys had that RB tandem with Laurence Maroney and another very good RB whose name I'm trying to remember. Was it Amir Pinnix? Ahh, I can't remember his name. I would still try to find a way to attack the edge with someone. Ohio State's weakside and middle linebackers have been slow to react to edge runs. I think you will also have some success pounding it up the middle. Ohio State doesn't give up huge runs up the middle, but you can gash them for some pretty good ones. MSU also did a good job of using our quick penetration against us on several plays. I know you guys will do the same. Is Cobb a threat in receiving game?
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Maroney and Marion Barber were here together in '03 and '04, with both of them going over 1100 yards both years. Once Barber left, Maroney and Russell each went for over 1100 yards in '05, and Pinnix going for 1200 on '06.
 

DarrenTheGreek said:
If I read the OP correctly the only way the Gophers win is:
A) A snowstorm because snow is kryptonite to the Buckeyes supermen
B) A slew of injuries to the BUckeyes forces them to venture into the 3-deeps

Got it. I think I'll show up Saturday anyway.
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Yep, sort of a, "Damn, your wife isn't as ugly as I had heard," compliment. But he's very respectful.
Arrogant bastards.
 

Guys, get it right. We don't play OSU this week. OSU plays us!

Not that we are a great team, but we need to stop fearing other teams. That was the main problem with the Mason teams, they were intimidated by teams and never thought they could win. Does OSU have more talented players, of course... can we beat them, of course.
 

I think you Ohio State fans should really be worried about polar bears running around everywhere stabbing everyone. It's a big problem here.
 

Gopherocious said:
Maroney and Marion Barber were here together in '03 and '04, with both of them going over 1100 yards both years. Once Barber left, Maroney and Russell each went for over 1100 yards in '05, and Pinnix going for 1200 on '06.
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Also don't forget Thomas Tapeh as part of the '03 group.

Truly our offensive production was a thing of football art that season.

Go Gophers!
 

victor04 said:
The fact that TCU's head coach (Peterson?) was one of the best men at Kill's wedding back in the day, should make it easy enough for you to realize that yes, TCU stopped bringing the wood in the second half. Watch the game over if that doesn't click with you still, and 46 attempts may mean nothing, its like in a scrimmage and you want to work on a weak part of your offense. Maybe they felt real behind in their passing game and wanted to work on some things. Most of those attempts were in the 1st half anyways.
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TCU threw the ball 23 times in the first half, 23 times in the second half. They ran no huddle and passed 5 of 7 plays on their last drive that started with about 5:30 left in the 4th.

They may have dialed it back a little but they certainly didn't stop doing what they normally do on offense. We just didn't turn it over on offense like we did in the first half.
 

Jeshurun said:
I think you Ohio State fans should really be worried about polar bears running around everywhere stabbing everyone. It's a big problem here.
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Over the weekend, I swear a saw a polar bear that had a knife at the end of a hockey stick. I must have been in an especially bad part of town.
 

Gopherocious said:
Over the weekend, I swear a saw a polar bear that had a knife at the end of a hockey stick. I must have been in an especially bad part of town.
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Are you sure you weren't in Frostbite Falls? I've heard that town can be pretty sketchy.
 

Unbiasedbuckeye said:
Ok, that is good to know. I haven't had the chance to watch nearly as much MN football as I would like. I used to watch it a lot back when you guys had that RB tandem with Laurence Maroney and another very good RB whose name I'm trying to remember. Was it Amir Pinnix? Ahh, I can't remember his name. I would still try to find a way to attack the edge with someone. Ohio State's weakside and middle linebackers have been slow to react to edge runs. I think you will also have some success pounding it up the middle. Ohio State doesn't give up huge runs up the middle, but you can gash them for some pretty good ones. MSU also did a good job of using our quick penetration against us on several plays. I know you guys will do the same. Is Cobb a threat in receiving game?
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Minnesota probably has one of the best (maybe the best) running games you guys have faced all year. Your defensive guys better be quick to get out and make plays on the edge because Minnesota will hit you with the jet sweep, and right when you guys think you have it figured out, Leidner will fake the jet sweep and tuck and run for 15. Cobb's extremely tough to bring down.
To answer your question though, no, Cobb isn't a threat in the passing game. The only 2 names you have to know there: Maxx Williams (Top 3 TE in CFB) and Donovahn Jones (deep threat).
 

GameDay said:
To answer your question though, no, Cobb isn't a threat in the passing game.
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I don't disagree, but my big question is why? The few times they have run the short screen over the middle, it has worked. Other teams screen us to death, why do the Gophers not do the same?
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I don't disagree, but my big question is why? The few times they have run the short screen over the middle, it has worked. Other teams screen us to death, why do the Gophers not do the same?
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I think this may be the week we see a few middle screens to Cobb. Kill and Limegrover mentioned that OSU's D-line is aggressive and always looking to rush the passer. The middle screen should be effective against that type of aggressive D-line. Against a scheme like Iowa's? Not so much.
 

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