Former Gopher Ben Coleman: They're not getting the proper instruction in offseason

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I'm with Tiny on this. It's easy to point fingers at others when things aren't going your way. It's not easy to put in the hard work to make yourself better (practicing long hours in a "crappy gym").
I am not against a practice facility by any means, but cmon, let's not make excuses either.
 

nokomismod said:
I'm with Tiny on this. It's easy to point fingers at others when things aren't going your way. It's not easy to put in the hard work to make yourself better (practicing long hours in a "crappy gym").
I am not against a practice facility by any means, but cmon, let's not make excuses either.
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Is it an excuse if you can't get into a gym on campus? It's a joke anyone thinks that its an excuse of the team when they have to leave campus to get additional work in. If they have to leave campus to get gym time it's an embarrassment nothing else!
 

lakesgopher said:
Sport is entertainment, money spent on sports aren't for the betterment of the world. Your earlier comment was stupid. So yes "Really"
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Have you ever checked my bank account to see where I donate? Do you know where I volunteer? My comment of "Really" is based upon your asinine response to the fact that we pander to a game rather than award those citizens who will make a significant difference to society as a whole. If you wish to take this to the off topic thread then start a topic and we'll finish it there.

On topic: The facilities don't make a player great. The player makes him/herself great.
 

lakesgopher said:
Is it an excuse if you can't get into a gym on campus? It's a joke anyone thinks that its an excuse of the team when they have to leave campus to get additional work in. If they have to leave campus to get gym time it's an embarrassment nothing else!
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I wonder if Kirilenko or Shved complained about their facilities in Russia...
 


nokomismod said:
I'm with Tiny on this. It's easy to point fingers at others when things aren't going your way. It's not easy to put in the hard work to make yourself better (practicing long hours in a "crappy gym").
I am not against a practice facility by any means, but cmon, let's not make excuses either.
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No one is saying Williams is crappy. They are saying it isn't always available.
 

tinyarch said:
Have you ever checked my bank account to see where I donate? Do you know where I volunteer? My comment of "Really" is based upon your asinine response to the fact that we pander to a game rather than award those citizens who will make a significant difference to society as a whole. If you wish to take this to the off topic thread then start a topic and we'll finish it there.

On topic: The facilities don't make a player great. The player makes him/herself great.
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You brought it up...if you feel that we waste money when it can go to help others then do it. It's not valid.

Back to the point, if the players can't get gym time on campus it's a disgrace. I wouldn't expect my high school team to leave our campus to get gym time, if they want it, we will help make it happen. The fact the players are going places for gym time shows they are trying to get better. I bet the Russians have better facilities then the U!
 

lakesgopher said:
You brought it up...if you feel that we waste money when it can go to help others then do it. It's not valid.

Back to the point, if the players can't get gym time on campus it's a disgrace. I wouldn't expect my high school team to leave our campus to get gym time, if they want it, we will help make it happen. The fact the players are going places for gym time shows they are trying to get better. I bet the Russians have better facilities then the U!
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How does our state produce the top hockey players in the country when so many of the teams have to rent ice time from other venues? We must be just getting lucky I guess.

How do so many great basketball players come out of the slums of New York, Philly and Chicago when they don't have a state of the art facility to practice in 24/7? I can't imagine how kids have become adept at tying their shoe laces when we don't have a quality facility to help them develop those advanced skills.

Yes, I'm going WAY over the top to make a point. Point is: Stop making up lame excuses for lack of player development at the U of M.
 

tinyarch said:
How does our state produce the top hockey players in the country when so many of the teams have to rent ice time from other venues? We must be just getting lucky I guess.

How do so many great basketball players come out of the slums of New York, Philly and Chicago when they don't have a state of the art facility to practice in 24/7? I can't imagine how kids have become adept at tying their shoe laces when we don't have a quality facility to help them develop those advanced skills.

Yes, I'm going WAY over the top to make a point. Point is: Stop making up lame excuses for lack of player development at the U of M.
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Lol those great players that come from slums go to colleges with practice facilities!
 




You're right we should expect kids that come to the U to buy a shovel and practice in the park when it's -10 outside. That will absolutely help recruiting and development...thank you for the eye opener!
 





Just curious if anyone knows how many hours during the typical week Williams arena is available to the men's team to shoot and work on their game? Again, not saying that a practice facility is a bad idea, but I think if you want to shoot and get better, you could find a place to do so.
 

Not sure telling players and recruits that in terms of having a place to practice, they should just deal with it, while our competitors are consistently rolling out the red carpet.

Do you people want the gophers to win and have the best players or not?
 

lakesgopher said:
Is it an excuse if you can't get into a gym on campus? It's a joke anyone thinks that its an excuse of the team when they have to leave campus to get additional work in. If they have to leave campus to get gym time it's an embarrassment nothing else!
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The Recreation and Wellness Center has four or six courts upstairs. I recall the women's team shooting around in the north gym while the south guy was typically for open gym and classes.

Why don't they just have access cards to the north gym for players only until we get this got' dammmn practice facility built.
 

HOOP DREAMS said:
The Recreation and Wellness Center has four or six courts upstairs. I recall the women's team shooting around in the north gym while the south guy was typically for open gym and classes.

Why don't they just have access cards to the north gym for players only until we get this got' dammmn practice facility built.
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Not a bad idea. Maybe make that the case only when Williams is unavailable. Williams is in use, Gophers get one rec court.

Just so as to not upset a student body paying already high tuition costs.

Only other issue I see is that a practice facility is 24/7, currently the rec center closes. Would be good if they could give the team 24/7 access somehow.
 

lakesgopher said:
Is it an excuse if you can't get into a gym on campus? It's a joke anyone thinks that its an excuse of the team when they have to leave campus to get additional work in. If they have to leave campus to get gym time it's an embarrassment nothing else!
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Do you realize how many indoor gyms there are in Minneapolis? If you're a D1 player with pro basketball aspirations, you can easily find a basket to play at on campus or near. It's not that hard to work a couple hours into their schedule to train. Facilities are important, but that shouldn't impede our players' progress or be an excuse.
 

tinyarch said:
How in the world did Kevin McHale, Trent Tucker, Willie Burton, Bobby Jackson, etc... ever make it to the NBA while playing at the U of M? I guess Dutcher and Haskins had no control over their development!

Are you saying that there is no place in Williams arena to watch film or schedule specific times for coaching and working with teammates? You make it sound like Augsburg College has better accommodations for goodness sake.

Please, enough with the excuses that have little to no relevance when it comes to individual improvement of a person's game.
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Different era, no one had a practice facility, very few may have when Jackson rolled around, but everyone was still on an even playing field. Sports are changing, it's about dollars as much as it is the game if not more now. The UofM quite frankly took your approach during the Maturi years and fell behind, now were at the point where a practice facility will only bring us back to par, instead of giving us an advantage. Heck if we screw it up like with the football stadium if mkight not even do that. The times they are a changing whether we like it or not.
 

Golden13 said:
Do you realize how many indoor gyms there are in Minneapolis? If you're a D1 player with pro basketball aspirations, you can easily find a basket to play at on campus or near. It's not that hard to work a couple hours into their schedule to train. Facilities are important, but that shouldn't impede our players' progress or be an excuse.
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So u believe that it's ok for the U players to have to leave campus for extra practice time?
 

HOOP DREAMS said:
The Recreation and Wellness Center has four or six courts upstairs. I recall the women's team shooting around in the north gym while the south guy was typically for open gym and classes.

Why don't they just have access cards to the north gym for players only until we get this got' dammmn practice facility built.
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Aren't there intramural sports in there at night as well? Do you cancel all intramural sports so the players men and women always have access?

I'm just saying its a joke to be a big ten player and needing to leave campus to do additional work.
 

It's obvious to me that many that think the players are just making excuses are well over 50 yrs of age and think that kids have the same mentality as you had at the same age.

If people expect these athletes to leave campus etc for extra practice, those same people better not bitch about 6th place and worse finishes as well as poor recruiting. If other schools have more to offer and we are unwilling to keep up we need to cut the program
 

lakesgopher is killing it in this thread.

It's pretty simple - if you don't want the Gophers to spend the money to keep up with their peers, you forfeit the right to bitch about losses, recruiting, coaching, etc., etc.
 

dpodoll68 said:
lakesgopher is killing it in this thread.

It's pretty simple - if you don't want the Gophers to spend the money to keep up with their peers, you forfeit the right to bitch about losses, recruiting, coaching, etc., etc.
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+1
 

lakesgopher said:
So u believe that it's ok for the U players to have to leave campus for extra practice time?
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There are plenty of places right on campus. There's access to hoops for a majority of the day. You make it sound like our current team can't shoot as well as other teams because the we don't have a new facility yet. If someone is a B10 basketball player with hopes to get to the NBA (i.e. Rodney, Trevor), I don't think anyone is going to let "I can't find an open hoop" be the excuse for poor shooting and not making it to the next level.

I think we need a practice facility and I would like to see one funded. Personally I can't help fund it, as I've already paid the U $50,000. Until then I'm not going to blame this year's underachievement on the practice facilities. You're perspective is skewed lakes.
 

Golden13 said:
There are plenty of places right on campus. There's access to hoops for a majority of the day. You make it sound like our current team can't shoot as well as other teams because the we don't have a new facility yet. If someone is a B10 basketball player with hopes to get to the NBA (i.e. Rodney, Trevor), I don't think anyone is going to let "I can't find an open hoop" be the excuse for poor shooting and not making it to the next level.

I think we need a practice facility and I would like to see one funded. Personally I can't help fund it, as I've already paid the U $50,000. Until then I'm not going to blame this year's underachievement on the practice facilities. You're perspective is skewed lakes.
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Please name all these places you can go have a hoop all to yourself any time? A bonus if it is 24/7.

As an undergrad I very rarely could find a hoop to have alone at various time. There were always either multiple other people at the hoop. Multiple other people in the gym (not a huge deal for an undergrad, good luck getting uninterrupted time if you are Rodney Williams though), pick up games, or the gym was closed.

I'd say the amount of time you could show up at either rec an have it be open and empty is maybe 5 or 10 percent.
 

lakesgopher said:
Aren't there intramural sports in there at night as well? Do you cancel all intramural sports so the players men and women always have access?
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You tell me. I thought intramural sports and open gym were in the south court. If not there are other gyms that could be used for intramural on campus.

It's not that much to ask to let the team have reserved access to the north courts when Williams is unavailable.
 

Golden13 said:
There are plenty of places right on campus. There's access to hoops for a majority of the day. You make it sound like our current team can't shoot as well as other teams because the we don't have a new facility yet. If someone is a B10 basketball player with hopes to get to the NBA (i.e. Rodney, Trevor), I don't think anyone is going to let "I can't find an open hoop" be the excuse for poor shooting and not making it to the next level.

I think we need a practice facility and I would like to see one funded. Personally I can't help fund it, as I've already paid the U $50,000. Until then I'm not going to blame this year's underachievement on the practice facilities. You're perspective is skewed lakes.
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No they aren't available for the majority of the day. If they were this would t be an issue. Is the facility thing the main reason why were are struggling? I don't think so, don't think I ever said that? Would we be a better shooting team with a practice facility? Only if the players actually used it.

I agree that if a big player wants a hoop he/she can find one in the metro area...the fact that they "have to find an open hoop" is an absolute joke in terms of what are peers are doing. Your perspective is skewed, you think these players should do academics, practice, weights, study tables, nutrition, film, and scavenger hunt for a hoop in their spare time. It's an f'ing joke that anyone thinks we are going to build a program to contend in our conference when we aren't on the same playing field as our peers. Golden13, what can our Bball program offer tyus, rashaad, and Reid over other programs in the big ten?
 

HOOP DREAMS said:
You tell me. I thought intramural sports and open gym were in the south court. If not there are other gyms that could be used for intramural on campus.

It's not that much to ask to let the team have reserved access to the north courts when Williams is unavailable.
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So what about the girls Bball team? And the other sports that seemingly run into this problem? Do they also deserve this time? Doesn't it then still remain a problem?

The way you are talking I think it should be a realistic talk about cutting the program because we don't want to compete within the big ten. If we aren't going to keep up, save the money and put it towards something else
 

lakesgopher said:
So what about the girls Bball team? And the other sports that seemingly run into this problem? Do they also deserve this time? Doesn't it then still remain a problem?
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I'm not worried about the girls team, glad you are. But there should be enough courts up their for them to both shoot around. Does anyone recall if their are 4 courts or 6 up there?

lakesgopher said:
The way you are talking I think it should be a realistic talk about cutting the program because we don't want to compete within the big ten.
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WTF are you talking about. This is only a band-aid until they build the *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing practice facility. Which better be sooner than later.
 

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