Florida coach Jim McElwain on buyout speculation: 'We'll see'

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University of Florida administrators are discussing whether they can fire coach Jim McElwain with cause, multiple sources told ESPN.

After failing to find any evidence to substantiate claims made by McElwain this week that his family and players received death threats, Florida administrators have worked to see if the coach's allegations were enough to relieve the university from paying his full buyout of $12.9 million if he were to be fired.

The news came amid another tough result on the field for the unranked Gators (3-4, 3-3 SEC) on Saturday, a 42-7 dismantling by No. 3 Georgia (8-0, 5-0) in Jacksonville, Florida.

When asked about the speculation, Elwain said he first heard about buyout negotiations while walking into team breakfast earlier Saturday.

"It's the first I've heard of it," McElwain said. "We'll see."

Sources believe the university has enough cause to fire McElwain without having to pay his buyout. Sources also said that if McElwain were to be relieved of his duties, defensive coordinator Randy Shannon would be asked to be the team's interim coach.

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This shows they were already working on firing him BEFORE Florida lost to its biggest rival but 35 pts. It's got to be coming within days.
 

Wow, this guy won't even get 3 years. Obviously it's because of Failing to win divisions and championships rather than a likely true comment about death threats - why would anyone doubt that down there? SEC fans are true lunatics.

Win and all the personality and other personal foibles are overlooked.
 






Why would the McElwain's comments on the possible threats rise to the level where he could be fired for cause? Seems like a bit of a reach.
 

So the coach was getting death threats from lunatic fans and the school thinks they can fire him with cause. That's retard logic
 



WoodburyTim said:
Why would the McElwain's comments on the possible threats rise to the level where he could be fired for cause? Seems like a bit of a reach.
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The AD made him sign a non disclosure agreement before threatening to kill him.
 

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Pompous Elitist said:
Wow, this guy won't even get 3 years. Obviously it's because of Failing to win divisions and championships rather than a likely true comment about death threats - why would anyone doubt that down there? SEC fans are true lunatics.

Win and all the personality and other personal foibles are overlooked.
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...unless you are Tracy Claeys...
 




bemidjigopher said:
So the coach was getting death threats from lunatic fans and the school thinks they can fire him with cause. That's retard logic
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The coach said he received death threats.
When U of F asked him to provide more details of these threats, he had no additional information or details.

They essentially caught him in a lie / exaggeration.

Looking to move on from him, this might be reason enough to fire him for cause because by making the accusations, it could have a negative impact on the University of Florida. Also, he probably has a clause in his contract to not speak negatively about the U of F, the University, it's students, fans, etc.

I would guess that he broke that part of his agreement if the U of F is looking into this, and thus they might have just cause to fire him for cause.

At worst, they will end up in a negotiation in which McElwain will agree to a lower buyout (is my guess).
 



McElwain has been fired per various twitter reports.

Tennessee fans wondering what more it takes...
 

grumps said:
The coach said he received death threats.
When U of F asked him to provide more details of these threats, he had no additional information or details.

They essentially caught him in a lie / exaggeration.

Looking to move on from him, this might be reason enough to fire him for cause because by making the accusations, it could have a negative impact on the University of Florida. Also, he probably has a clause in his contract to not speak negatively about the U of F, the University, it's students, fans, etc.

I would guess that he broke that part of his agreement if the U of F is looking into this, and thus they might have just cause to fire him for cause.

At worst, they will end up in a negotiation in which McElwain will agree to a lower buyout (is my guess).
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Nope they still have to prove that he fabricated it, even he did it would be easy to come up with scenario that can't be proven either way. Such as fans yelling at him and their family as they leave the stadium doubt he would stop to get their names. Unless someone has evidence that it is made up they will pay the buyout in full
 

grumps said:
McElwain has been fired per various twitter reports.

Tennessee fans wondering what more it takes...
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Wow. I'd say it's unbelievable, but we're talking about college football here (and the SEC specifically).
 


MennoSota said:
Did the team melt down or just Leidner? [emoji4]
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His protection was terrible. The line was blocking air half the time when Wisky overloaded. It was a real Chinese fire drill.

That, and they didn't key on Jazz Peavy on the jet sweep.

Sure Leidner was 0-14 or something with 3 picks in the fourth quarter...is that bad? I've heard he was really great.
 


bemidjigopher said:
Nope they still have to prove that he fabricated it, even he did it would be easy to come up with scenario that can't be proven either way. Such as fans yelling at him and their family as they leave the stadium doubt he would stop to get their names. Unless someone has evidence that it is made up they will pay the buyout in full
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I'm assuming they agreed on a buyout amount.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Wow, this guy won't even get 3 years. Obviously it's because of Failing to win divisions and championships rather than a likely true comment about death threats - why would anyone doubt that down there? SEC fans are true lunatics.

Win and all the personality and other personal foibles are overlooked.
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If you don’t believe the guy is going to get it done due to what you see at your school, why would you waste 2 more years just because conventional wisdom says you should?
 

Some guy said:
If you don’t believe the guy is going to get it done due to what you see at your school, why would you waste 2 more years just because conventional wisdom says you should?
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What evidence is there to say that he can't? He's the ONLY coach in the history of the SEC to make the SEC championship game in each of his first two years. And that gets you axed partway through your third season? Completely stupid. The total lack of long-term thinking in college sports right now is asinine.
 

This is one of those situations where when Florida starts searching for a new HC if they were picking people without knowing their name they might pick McElwain again....


But that's what happens when you hump a shark.
 

dpodoll68 said:
What evidence is there to say that he can't? He's the ONLY coach in the history of the SEC to make the SEC championship game in each of his first two years. And that gets you axed partway through your third season? Completely stupid. The total lack of long-term thinking in college sports right now is asinine.
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Sounds like he's not just being fired for wins and losses, which is probably the case more times than not.
Since I've been talking about Brewster tonight, you could argue he wasn't fired for wins and losses, but for how the program was mismanaged. Winning can cover that up for a bit, but when the losses come, it can be a quick death.
 

dpodoll68 said:
What evidence is there to say that he can't? He's the ONLY coach in the history of the SEC to make the SEC championship game in each of his first two years. And that gets you axed partway through your third season? Completely stupid. The total lack of long-term thinking in college sports right now is asinine.
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Again, i have no inside knowledge and I don’t think you do either. The people closest to the program thinks he needs to go. I’ll trust them more than I’ll trust you.

But if he lied about getting death threats or if he got death threats against his players and didn’t properly report...he should be fired. No idea what happened, but I would argue too many schools wait too long to make moves in college sports.

Maybe Iowa should give licklighter a few more years in hoops?
Maybe Ohio state should have stuck with Luke fickel or Michigan should have stuck with rich rod?
Maybe Michigan state should have given John l Smith a few more years.
Maybe Brewster should still be our coach.
 

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Again, i have no inside knowledge and I don’t think you do either. The people closest to the program thinks he needs to go. I’ll trust them more than I’ll trust you.

But if he lied about getting death threats or if he got death threats against his players and didn’t properly report...he should be fired. No idea what happened, but I would argue too many schools wait too long to make moves in college sports.

Maybe Iowa should give licklighter a few more years in hoops?
Maybe Ohio state should have stuck with Luke fickel or Michigan should have stuck with rich rod?
Maybe Michigan state should have given John l Smith a few more years.
Maybe Brewster should still be our coach.
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Your post said it was about performance ("he can't get it done"). It quite clearly isn't about performance. Stricklin wants Mullen as Florida's coach in 2018, and he was willing to slit McElwain's throat to make it happen. It's the exact same scenario as Coyle, Fleck, and Claeys. That's perfectly fine, and it's Stricklin's/Coyle's prerogative to do so, but let's not pretend it was about performance.

Your hypotheticals suck because those were all bad coaches who were fired for performance. McElwain is a good coach. I mean, Lickliter? Really? McElwain won his division in his first two years and Lickliter never approached .500 conference, while getting worse each year.
 

I think they’re fine example.
IMO winning doesn’t define a program. It is a symptom of a program.

Is Larry Coker a great coach?
Is Gene Chizik?
Is Dan Mullen?
Is Gary Pinkel?
Is Gary Anderson?

I would imagine you also don’t think winning is the sole measuring stick of a program.
My broader point is, if people at the university think he isn’t the right guy, they should make a move ASAP.

IF you aren’t sure maybe you wait. They seem pretty sure of themselves.
 

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