Fleck on NIL, Season Results, Next Year, & Indiana

[GopherGuy82]

126 years with 99% mediocrity and turning into champions gets lost in all of that? They sucked for 126 years. In my opinion 126 years of futility is a bigger deal than a single season Cinderella run.

 

[GopherGuy82]

NC St. Was also ranked at the end of the 82-83 season. Great run. Great team. They weren't little sisters of the poor. They also won the title in 74 so it's not like they hadn't been good semi recently

 

[GopherTheJugular]

"Our lifetime" can be taken many different way.

True. We both can be right on this one.

NCSt. is no comparison on any level to what Indiana did as a program.

I agree, I'm just referencing one game for North Carolina St. I think that if 2 games were on TV on the same night, one being Indiana beating Miami and the other being NC State beating Houston, I'd feel like the next morning, most of the talk at the water cooler would be how miraculous it was for NC State to win. For an entire season though, you're right, there is no comparison between the two.

 

[Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0]

Everyone paints the Indiana picture how they see it and that's fair. Indiana was basically "David" for 126 years and they became "Goliath". That is the turnaround, transformation, whatever keyword you want to use. They did it within the same guidelines every team has, regardless of perceived advantages that did or didn't exist for 126 years. The perception of a team shouldn't change when they win it all. Isn't that what makes anyone of these teams a true Cinderella in the first place?

Regarding the basketball comparisons wasn't Villanova in 85' just as big if not bigger than NC St.?

It was pretty comparable and they were an 8 seed. If Seton Hall would have beat Michigan in the NC, that would have been the biggest Cinderella story by far.

 

[GopherTheJugular]

126 years with 99% mediocrity and turning into champions gets lost in all of that? They sucked for 126 years. In my opinion 126 years of futility is a bigger deal than a single season Cinderella run.

Well I think it might be because the hole can only be dug so deep. Whether you were awful for 120+ years (Indiana?) or about 40 years (SMU) or that 10+ years range (Nebraska) - all those holes can be gotten out of in the same way and in the same amount of time, NIL infusion.

 

[GopherTheJugular]

NC St. Was also ranked at the end of the 82-83 season. Great run. Great team. They weren't little sisters of the poor. They also won the title in 74 so it's not like they hadn't been good semi recently

Sorry, I should have clarified better. I was only referring to 1 game, not their entire season, or anything before that.

To me, the ones that stand out are that game, Miracle on Ice, Foreman knocking out Moorer, etc. The things that really stand out and will be talked about later in life.

I hate to say it, but what Alvarez did at WI seems more impressive to me, cuz he couldn't openly replace the roster with NIL transfers. THAT was an impressive turn-around, even though he never won the NC, to get WI to the Rose Bowl in year three with no NIL....

 

[GopherGuy82]

Well I think it might be because the hole can only be dug so deep. Whether you were awful for 120+ years (Indiana?) or about 40 years (SMU) or that 10+ years range (Nebraska) - all those holes can be gotten out of in the same way and in the same amount of time, NIL infusion.

I don't disagree and it sucks where college sports is right now. I just wonder if people around here would feel the same way if it was the Gophers and not Indiana. I think there is more jealousy in the Indiana hate than anything.

I do question how many of the great teams over the years were built with money under the table. There are plenty of examples. It's out in the open now so it's easier to judge but to a degree I think you have to look at things in a similar lens. At the end of the day you still have to win the games. There are also plenty of examples of teams spending crazy money and they can't win it and a lot of them don't even get close.

 

[GopherGuy82]

If Butler could have pulled off the win against Duke one of the two years that would have been up there.

If Eric Harris didn't get hurt that could have been up there from a local angle

 

[Some guy]

Which is why it was a great upset. Had they finished first in the ACC that year, their victory over Houston wouldn't stand out nearly as much.

I think the ncaa tournament run was phenomenal and the run is one of the best runs of all time

I don’t think that season was one of the greatest accomplishments of all time

 

[Some guy]

At the time the ACC and Big East were the leagues in college basketball.

That’s true.
But I guess I disagree that a team that had 10 losses can be considered one of the greatest achievements of all time even if they played tough teams and even if their run was great

 

[The Deliberate Stranger]

That’s true.
But I guess I disagree that a team that had 10 losses can be considered one of the greatest achievements of all time even if they played tough teams and even if their run was great

I agree with that, I also don't think NC State was a typical 10 loss team and it was way more challenging to make the dance back then. If anything these aren't apples to apples compa it's more like tomato, cucumber