Fleck after watching OSU film: "There's so much good in that film. It gets covered up by the score, but there's a lot of good to pull from that game."

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My biggest concerns with the team are the OL, the RB room health, and the DC
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Will be interesting to see how the reshuffled O-Line looks with presumably a healthy DT running behind it this weekend. Hopefully can put some of those concerns to bed though with DT, health will always be a concern.

As for the DC and defense as a whole. Purdue throws a lot because they are behind a lot. Hopefully the D-Line can be a big factor which will in turn take some pressure off the secondary. Purdue puts the ball up for grabs a lot, have to dominate the turnover battle this weekend.

Back to back home night games coming up....hopefully the Bank will be rocking.
 


On the one hand, I get it...what's he gonna say. But on the other, this is the peak sorta "fuck PJ" feelings I get from time to time.

I'm overall glad with the job he's done - but sometimes he's such a politician that it's hard to see him as an actual person.

Would it be so hard to just say "We got our asses handed to us - and I'm not happy about it." ?
 

caliGopher said:
There are ways to make the same points without insulting the intelligence of the team and fans, but this is PJ being PJ. We really need to get him a copy of the OED so he'll stop trying to reinvent the english language.
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Honestly - that's where I fall on the whole PJ-speak. You gotta take the good with the bad with anyone in your life, but this is the "bad" of PJ.
 

Mr. 131 said:
On the one hand, I get it...what's he gonna say. But on the other, this is the peak sorta "fuck PJ" feelings I get from time to time.

I'm overall glad with the job he's done - but sometimes he's such a politician that it's hard to see him as an actual person.

Would it be so hard to just say "We got our asses handed to us - and I'm not happy about it." ?
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I mean he did actually say that....not in those exact same words but he flat out admitted we got our butts kicked.

But that only fills a few seconds and the media is going to have more questions so the press conference will continue and he will have to come up with more things to say.
 


Desertbobcat said:
Before Ohio State gets anointed national champion after our game. Remember the opening game against Michigan a couple of years ago where they destroyed us and they were anointed champions. It turned out that we weren't a very good team and Michigan struggled that year.

Remember we got beat by Cal.
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You mean a couple years ago 2023 where they actually were undefeated champs?
 

I'm always amazed how bent out of shape people get over coach speak. They're just giving the press some tidbits to keep them happy. All coaches do it and it's all meaningless.

The only thing that matters is what the players are hearing.
 


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I'm always amazed how bent out of shape people get over coach speak. They're just giving the press some tidbits to keep them happy. All coaches do it and it's all meaningless.

The only thing that matters is what the players are hearing.
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Yep and the players are not going to these press conferences for info because they are getting things first hand from the coaches not the sanitized fan/media message.

Fleck has been the same guy since he got here way back in 2017, for those that are per-disposed to get annoyed by what he says in the press conferences.....stop watching the press conferences.
 



MNVCGUY said:
I mean he did actually say that....not in those exact same words but he flat out admitted we got our butts kicked.

But that only fills a few seconds and the media is going to have more questions so the press conference will continue and he will have to come up with more things to say.
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I watch most pressers, but def not one following a loss like that. I was responding to the little info from OP's post. That said, I don't understand how he can't have the intuition to know that any sort of morale victory talk after a loss like that is just gonna not land.

Sometimes all that needs to be said is the part about having your cheeps clapped, lol!
 

Mr. 131 said:
I watch most pressers, but def not one following a loss like that. I was responding to the little info from OP's post. That said, I don't understand how he can't have the intuition to know that any sort of morale victory talk after a loss like that is just gonna not land.

Sometimes all that needs to be said is the part about having your cheeps clapped, lol!
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In the end it comes down to no matter what he says or how he says it after a loss in particular someone is going to have a problem with it. (this applies to Fleck and pretty much every other coach).

If he says it is all on him some will rip him for that, if he blames the players he will get ripped for that, if he looks for positivity or moral victories he will get ripped for that.

So after a tough loss coaches get in front of the microphone, try to answer the questions as best they can and get the heck out of there so that they can get to work on trying to find the solutions.
 

MNVCGUY said:
In the end it comes down to no matter what he says or how he says it after a loss in particular someone is going to have a problem with it. (this applies to Fleck and pretty much every other coach).

If he says it is all on him some will rip him for that, if he blames the players he will get ripped for that, if he looks for positivity or moral victories he will get ripped for that.

So after a tough loss coaches get in front of the microphone, try to answer the questions as best they can and get the heck out of there so that they can get to work on trying to find the solutions.
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KOC is really good at the fluff answers too.
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
You know, your anti-negativity routine has gotten so predictable that it borders on self-parody. Sometimes you just have to let people vent a little. There's no clear reason why fans should feel good right now. If the next few weeks brings a decent recovery, then people will have positive feelings again.
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It is an alternate universe. Imagine Vince Lombardi saying that. So if I walk across the street and get hit by a truck in the middle of the street. Fleck would say” you were stylin’ until that truck hit you. There is a lot of good in that the truck almost missed you and that you survived. You just have to work on looking both ways and your speed.
 



Desertbobcat said:
Before Ohio State gets anointed national champion after our game. Remember the opening game against Michigan a couple of years ago where they destroyed us and they were anointed champions. It turned out that we weren't a very good team and Michigan struggled that year.

Remember we got beat by Cal.
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I think you're mixing up seasons. The Michigan team that beat us 52-10 in the 2023 season won the national championship. The year after (2024) they were nothing special but they beat us that year 27-24. We might have tied them at least if the refs didn't waive off our recovered onside kick on a questionable offsides call.
 

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I'm always amazed how bent out of shape people get over coach speak. They're just giving the press some tidbits to keep them happy. All coaches do it and it's all meaningless.

The only thing that matters is what the players are hearing.
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There is coach speak. Then there is the lexicon of PJ Fleck. While intended to be the same, they are not. Coach speak is all generally the same. Very few coaches take it up a notch. PJ's the only one that takes it up seven notches.

I agree the only thing that matters is the players hear from Fleck. Great coach speak for Saturday's game would have been - "sometimes you have a game where you just throw the film away, and start fresh on Sunday" and then several platitudes about things they'll focus on in practice.

Fleck makes "Nuke' Laloosh sound coherent.

And I don't listen to the pressers becuase most everythign out of his mouth is bullshit of one form or another, to go along with his perpetual misuse and abuse of the English language. It's almost as if he believes he's in a contest with the press to see who can say the most ridiculous things in the presser.

I was always a fan of Lloyd Carr's media interactions - he didn't put up with the inane questions.

Sideline Reporter; "Coach, what do you need to do in the second half to turn this game around?" Lloyd Carr: "Score more points than the other team." [turns and walks away, as sideline reporter is trying to figure out how to fill the next :10 of airtime].
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
I think you're mixing up seasons. The Michigan team that beat us 52-10 in the 2023 season won the national championship. The year after (2024) they were nothing special but they beat us that year 27-24. We might have tied them at least if the refs didn't waive off our recovered onside kick on a questionable offsides call.
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or bothered to show up for the first half.........stop blaming this game on the refs. Show up for all four quarters, then, sure, blame the refs.
 


caliGopher said:
or bothered to show up for the first half.........stop blaming this game on the refs. Show up for all four quarters, then, sure, blame the refs.
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True. I actually thought that loss to Michigan was a good loss because it taught the team that they could come back and score in bunches. What irked me about that call is that onside kicks are so difficult to pull off well that you should give the team who does it the benefit of the doubt and not nullify it over a rinky dink infraction.
 

caliGopher said:
There is coach speak. Then there is the lexicon of PJ Fleck. While intended to be the same, they are not. Coach speak is all generally the same. Very few coaches take it up a notch. PJ's the only one that takes it up seven notches.

I agree the only thing that matters is the players hear from Fleck. Great coach speak for Saturday's game would have been - "sometimes you have a game where you just throw the film away, and start fresh on Sunday" and then several platitudes about things they'll focus on in practice.

Fleck makes "Nuke' Laloosh sound coherent.

And I don't listen to the pressers becuase most everythign out of his mouth is bullshit of one form or another, to go along with his perpetual misuse and abuse of the English language. It's almost as if he believes he's in a contest with the press to see who can say the most ridiculous things in the presser.

I was always a fan of Lloyd Carr's media interactions - he didn't put up with the inane questions.

Sideline Reporter; "Coach, what do you need to do in the second half to turn this game around?" Lloyd Carr: "Score more points than the other team." [turns and walks away, as sideline reporter is trying to figure out how to fill the next :10 of airtime].
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You definitely don't watch the press conferences....he has toned down a lot of the other stuff from when he was first hired. His press conferences now are very much in line with what you hear from pretty much every coach. The only real difference is that some coaches have an adversarial relationship with the media whereas Fleck is a coach who doesn't seem to mind talking to the media and even kind of enjoys it.
 

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People who are always negative are annoying but people who are always positive can be annoying too. Sometimes you have to be willing to say that if something looks like shit and smells like shit, then it must be shit.
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I have no issues with negativity and frustration. Saturday sucked, we got our asses kicked by a really good football team. I just don't see the point of wallowing in or dwelling on the negatives because it gains you nothing.
 

caliGopher said:
There is coach speak. Then there is the lexicon of PJ Fleck. While intended to be the same, they are not. Coach speak is all generally the same. Very few coaches take it up a notch. PJ's the only one that takes it up seven notches.

I agree the only thing that matters is the players hear from Fleck. Great coach speak for Saturday's game would have been - "sometimes you have a game where you just throw the film away, and start fresh on Sunday" and then several platitudes about things they'll focus on in practice.

Fleck makes "Nuke' Laloosh sound coherent.

And I don't listen to the pressers becuase most everythign out of his mouth is bullshit of one form or another, to go along with his perpetual misuse and abuse of the English language. It's almost as if he believes he's in a contest with the press to see who can say the most ridiculous things in the presser.

I was always a fan of Lloyd Carr's media interactions - he didn't put up with the inane questions.

Sideline Reporter; "Coach, what do you need to do in the second half to turn this game around?" Lloyd Carr: "Score more points than the other team." [turns and walks away, as sideline reporter is trying to figure out how to fill the next :10 of airtime].
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You like Popovich too? I think the only coach I really enjoy the press conference of is Eric Ramsay, MNUFC coach.
 

MNVCGUY said:
In the end it comes down to no matter what he says or how he says it after a loss in particular someone is going to have a problem with it. (this applies to Fleck and pretty much every other coach).

If he says it is all on him some will rip him for that, if he blames the players he will get ripped for that, if he looks for positivity or moral victories he will get ripped for that.

So after a tough loss coaches get in front of the microphone, try to answer the questions as best they can and get the heck out of there so that they can get to work on trying to find the solutions.
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You can pretend all day long that he’s not goofy as shit, but he is. He’s way out on the edge compared to other coaches. I’m not even really complaining because it is what it is, but you continue to have your head in the sand is a little silly.
 

Gopherchase said:
You can pretend all day long that he’s not goofy as shit, but he is. He’s way out on the edge compared to other coaches. I’m not even really complaining because it is what it is, but you continue to have your head in the sand is a little silly.
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I will stand by my assertion that he has dialed back a lot of the stuff that people got so bent out of shape about when he was first hired.

He is upbeat and unlike a lot of coaches doesn't seem to mind talking to the media but he has toned down a lot of the slogans and sayings that he leaned on a lot when he was first hired.
 

MNVCGUY said:
I will stand by my assertion that he has dialed back a lot of the stuff that people got so bent out of shape about when he was first hired.

He is upbeat and unlike a lot of coaches doesn't seem to mind talking to the media but he has toned down a lot of the slogans and sayings that he leaned on a lot when he was first hired.
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Agree but the number one group of people who hates fleck has nothing to do with fleck


There is a pocket of fans who think that Claeys got a raw deal and hate Fleck because of it.
And another pocket of fans who think kill got a raw deal and hate fleck because of it
 

Word said:
KOC is really good at the fluff answers too.
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Talking for a while without actually saying anything is definitely not a lost art amongst the Coaching fraternity.
 
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Ope3 said:
Talking for a while but without actually saying anything is definitely not a lost art amongst the Coaching fraternity.
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Yep...one of the key skills you have to master if you want to make it as a head coach.
 

Mr. 131 said:
I watch most pressers, but def not one following a loss like that. I was responding to the little info from OP's post. That said, I don't understand how he can't have the intuition to know that any sort of morale victory talk after a loss like that is just gonna not land.

Sometimes all that needs to be said is the part about having your cheeps clapped, lol!
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He talks a lot about learning from failure, so I think it would have landed had he set that context.
 

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Agree but the number one group of people who hates fleck has nothing to do with fleck


There is a pocket of fans who think that Claeys got a raw deal and hate Fleck because of it.
And another pocket of fans who think kill got a raw deal and hate fleck because of it
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So, in your opinion, the only reason people have a problem with Fleck is because of Kill and Claeys?

Serious question. If that's true, why does Fleck himself say (some might suggest boast) that he's not for everyone.
 

caliGopher said:
So, in your opinion, the only reason people have a problem with Fleck is because of Kill and Claeys?

Serious question. If that's true, why does Fleck himself say (some might suggest boast) that he's not for everyone.
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That’s not what I said at all.
Try reading

Just because you don’t hate someone doesn’t mean they are perfect


I have issues with fleck. But I don’t hate him.
Not many hate him.
Those that hate him, the primary reason is because they’re still mad about Claeys and or kill


I have no actual data, but I would guess the majority of fans think fleck is not perfect.
I would guess fewer than 15% of fans hate him. I’m talking that 15% or less.
 


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