Fire Coyle, Fire Fleck! Rip the Band-Aid off!!!

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Clearly these 2 aren't getting it done with their ugly mediocrity.
It's a money deal? Get more money or someone who knows how to get it.
Do it now.
 

Cobra said:
Clearly these 2 aren't getting it done with their ugly mediocrity.
It's a money deal? Get more money or someone who knows how to get it.
Do it now.
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Tbh, I get the aggressive post, but without money it will not matter. The talent gulf was enormous last night and apparent from the drop. The team texture some nice players, but Oregon is full of Anthony smiths across their lineup on defense and our best receivers wouldn’t even make the 2 deep there. Unless you have the money, a new coach is going to be hit with the same thing.

I’d be real fine moving on from coyle as we’re stuck in neutral at best when it comes to accumulating donors and dollars across all our sports. He seems fine at balancing a budget ok, but not really making that budget grow while overseeing a big growth in ancillary staff expenditures
 

upnorthkid said:
Tbh, I get the aggressive post, but without money it will not matter. The talent gulf was enormous last night and apparent from the drop. The team texture some nice players, but Oregon is full of Anthony smiths across their lineup on defense and our best receivers wouldn’t even make the 2 deep there. Unless you have the money, a new coach is going to be hit with the same thing.

I’d be real fine moving on from coyle as we’re stuck in neutral at best when it comes to accumulating donors and dollars across all our sports. He seems fine at balancing a budget ok, but not really making that budget grow while overseeing a big growth in ancillary staff expenditures
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I will never understand how Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn't have money for NIL

All the businesses and big shots and nothing.
 

I think Coyle and Fleck are fine, but if you want to go beyond "fine" there will have to be an infusion of talent (however that happens). I can't believe the drop-off in talent from last year's team to this year's team. It's almost night-and-day out there.
 




kg21 said:
I will never understand how Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn't have money for NIL

All the businesses and big shots and nothing.
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Most of the UMN connected businesses have been sold or are controlled by outside Minnesota corporations. The Cargills won't touch UMN for some reason. Curt Carlson's family has stopped caring about anything that doesn't bear the patriarchs name. The Casino funded people won't give because their aggitators believe the UMN is on their land.

The anarchists and hippies from the 1960s have succeeded in turning UMN into a money-repulsing school. It's not just athletically. Look at how effed the medical school is now that they want to separate from Fairview.

UMN has been fiscally mismanaged since the 1980s when they realized cuts needed to be made and the refusal to court large endowment gifts in the 50s and 60s was a bad idea.

UMN has never understood the need to have a self-sufficiency streak because they have tried too hard to exploit the land grant status of the school, relying too heavily on state funding and the political whims of the Twin Cities.

If you go out of the metropolitan region of Minneapolis & Saint Paul and talk to people, you will find that UMN has developed a generations deep distrust and even dislike, bordering on hatred, of UMN.

The outstate region is where losing sports teams mattered because that is where state pride really sits. Losing UMN teams was just another slap in the face to rural Minnesotans. Even the rise of the MNSCU (Mankato State, Bemidji State, Saint Cloud State, et al) system has been bolstered, in part, due to successful athletic programs.

TL;DR, the hippies and beatniks took power at UMN and are effing it up. No one wants to give money and they can't unseat that mentality.
 
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kg21 said:
I will never understand how Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn't have money for NIL

All the businesses and big shots and nothing.
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Sid Hartman would be appalled.
 

upnorthkid said:
Tbh, I get the aggressive post, but without money it will not matter. The talent gulf was enormous last night and apparent from the drop. The team texture some nice players, but Oregon is full of Anthony smiths across their lineup on defense and our best receivers wouldn’t even make the 2 deep there. Unless you have the money, a new coach is going to be hit with the same thing.

I’d be real fine moving on from coyle as we’re stuck in neutral at best when it comes to accumulating donors and dollars across all our sports. He seems fine at balancing a budget ok, but not really making that budget grow while overseeing a big growth in ancillary staff expenditures
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Well stated. May help to get a new AD that can get some donors. But PJ does all of the PR work for Coyle and has had the most successful football run of football at the U in my lifetime. Keep PJ and try a new AD. But reality is we don't have the money and we are never going to compete with the big boys. We are the Twins of the Big Ten.
 




Remember when we fired Mason? Did he deserve it? Maybe. But were we as fans delusional to what we thought we could be? 100%.

PJ has put us in a bowl game. How many years in a row? Hell, we have finished in the top 10 under him. We win bowl games. We win a couple games every year that we shouldn't and we lose a game every year that we shouldn't. We are not great. We are not bad. In all honesty, in today's landscape of college football, I don't see any reason to fire him now. Who knows, maybe next year is a 10-win season or maybe next year's a four-win season. It's going to take a couple of those less than six win seasons in a row in order for me to say, let's find the next coach.

I don't want to get Brewster'd again.
 

Cobra said:
Clearly these 2 aren't getting it done with their ugly mediocrity.
It's a money deal? Get more money or someone who knows how to get it.
Do it now.
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Really? Need money not a new head coach. Fire him and watch this program tank into the Wacker years. He's currently taking a 3-4 win a year operation and making it a 6-8 win a year operation.
 

kg21 said:
I will never understand how Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn't have money for NIL

All the businesses and big shots and nothing.
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Gophers don't need to fire Fleck but they could use better and more experienced coordinators with less staff turnover, especially on defense. We have inexperienced coaches across the board on defense. Takes money to keep good coaches. The so called big shots and corporations are run by alumni from Private schools Notre Dame and St Thomas, or Iowa and Wisconsin. As much research as the University does which is a lot, we lack corporate donors for research funding, especially medical. It's not just an athletics problem but athletics is a front porch for a University, and connects non-alumni even to a place. Often when we need facility or research dollars the U relies on the State for funding. Some of our wealthiest alumni have never contributed two nickles to the U, Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin is U of M Alumni, wears Badger gear and is a Badger fan instead of a Gophers even at home. Not like Pete or John Najarian beating down the door to help either, which I wish they could at least with estate or planning ideas. He Ron Johnson should at least put away his Badger red when Gophers play them as other Wisconsin students. Sports makes people want to give to a University and when has the last time the U of M even contended for a conference championship or made NCAA's even in a frontline sport like Basketball? We have Lou Nanne and not much else from the old guard, now that many are passing on. Hockey team is way down in being competitive with losing 11 players. It's a tough question to figure or understand.
 
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Texan Gopher said:
Remember when we fired Mason? Did he deserve it? Maybe. But were we as fans delusional to what we thought we could be? 100%.

PJ has put us in a bowl game. How many years in a row? Hell, we have finished in the top 10 under him. We win bowl games. We win a couple games every year that we shouldn't and we lose a game every year that we shouldn't. We are not great. We are not bad. In all honesty, in today's landscape of college football, I don't see any reason to fire him now. Who knows, maybe next year is a 10-win season or maybe next year's a four-win season. It's going to take a couple of those less than six win seasons in a row in order for me to say, let's find the next coach.

I don't want to get Brewster'd again.
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I have been highly critical of PJ myself, but I don't want to see him get fired. There is a 90% chance the next coach could be a Brewster/Fickell and about a .1% we get a Cignetti. Anything else in between will be another Fleck level coach.

I will say with Fleck, he needs to have good a good OC & DC in place to be successful.

I think he has recruited solid athletes and high character people to the program, but we need a OC & DC to make them successful.
 
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The choice was made made years ago to embrace "culture". That culture wants a certain type of player. Those early high draft picks through 2019 weren't necessarily Fleck recruits. My point is that in embracing culture, you may not necessarily get the type of athlete that teams such as Ohio State and Oregon get. If the current Coaches and AD will be staying in their current positions, a leap of faith is going to need to take place if they want to move forward - either in philosophy of recruiting or in mainly Offensive choices. Being a "Developmental" program is ok. However, what our players are being developed into is boring as hell on Offense with no chance to win a high scoring game. Higher end high school recruits will make choices to go elsewhere. Ask yourself the question "How many Gophers are getting drafted from our offense"? Georgia Tech ran into this under Paul Johnson. Ran a system that didn't get the recruits the pros were looking for and the pros quick looking at them. Lindsey is staring at this now. He will need help or potentially go elsewhere.
 

Ewert86PC said:
Most of the UMN connected businesses have been sold or are controlled by outside Minnesota corporations. The Cargills won't touch UMN fir some reason. Curt Carlson's family has stopped caring about anything that doesn't bear the patriarchs name. The Casino funded people won't give because their aggitators believe the UMN is on their land.

The anarchists and hippies from the 1960s have succeeded in turning UMN into a money-repulsing school. It's not just athletically. Look at how effed the medical school is now that they want to separate from Fairview.

UMN has been fiscally mismanaged since the 1980s when they realized cuts needed to be made and the refusal to court large endowment gifts in the 50s and 60s was a bad idea.

UMN has never understood the need to have a self-sufficiency streak because they have tried too hard to exploit the land grant status of the school, relying too heavily on state funding and the political whims of the Twin Cities.

If you go out of the metropolitan region of Minneapolis & Saint Paul and talk to people, you will find that UMN has developed a generations deep distrust and even dislike, bordering on hatred, of UMN.

The outstate region is where losing sports teams mattered because that is where state pride really sits. Losing UMN teams was just another slap in the face to rural Minnesotans. Even the rise of the MNSCU (Mankato State, Bemidji State, Saint Cloud State, et al) system has been bolstered, in part, due to successful athletic programs.

TL;DR, the hippies and beatniks took power at UMN and are effing it up. No one wants to give money and they can't unseat that mentality.
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LOL.
What a steaming pile of right wing horseshit. Currently quite appropriate.
 


Coyle has always been a liability and weak link. Someone in leadership needs some stones to toss out the "Jacob Frey" of Gopher Nation.
 

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Well stated. May help to get a new AD that can get some donors. But PJ does all of the PR work for Coyle and has had the most successful football run of football at the U in my lifetime. Keep PJ and try a new AD. But reality is we don't have the money and we are never going to compete with the big boys. We are the Twins of the Big Ten.
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I don't think it's the same. The Twins have the money, but they won't spend it, or when they do spend it, they make very poor choices on how they invest it.
 

I think Coyle is a good administrator balance the budget guy, negotiate contracts, and I think he hired two good basket ball coaches and CEO leader type for football that has quality. I don't think he Coyle is a salesmen, court the donors, tell good stories, bs'er, connect the people like Lou Nanne. Say what you want about Glen Mason but he was a good bull slinger, get people interested in supporting football, or good story teller. Nanne has been one of our best and long time supporters of the University. He clearly cares. Gophers AD seem to lack that top salesmen type in the AD overall. Teague had the schmoozer label, but he was hot garbage behind the scenes, so we don't want that again. The AD does seem to need a good salesperson, head schmoozer type, overall.
 
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akgo4 said:
The choice was made made years ago to embrace "culture". That culture wants a certain type of player. Those early high draft picks through 2019 weren't necessarily Fleck recruits. My point is that in embracing culture, you may not necessarily get the type of athlete that teams such as Ohio State and Oregon get. If the current Coaches and AD will be staying in their current positions, a leap of faith is going to need to take place if they want to move forward - either in philosophy of recruiting or in mainly Offensive choices. Being a "Developmental" program is ok. However, what our players are being developed into is boring as hell on Offense with no chance to win a high scoring game. Higher end high school recruits will make choices to go elsewhere. Ask yourself the question "How many Gophers are getting drafted from our offense"? Georgia Tech ran into this under Paul Johnson. Ran a system that didn't get the recruits the pros were looking for and the pros quick looking at them. Lindsey is staring at this now. He will need help or potentially go elsewhere.
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NotAFanOfBecky said:
Please enlighten us as you clearly have an opinion about it. I’d honestly like to hear as I think there were some good points in there.
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The entire post was nothing but idiotic RW claptrap. No person with an ID above room temp would pay even the slightest attention.

Just a few easy examples:

"The Casino funded people won't give because their aggitators believe the UMN is on their land."

The SMSN literally paid for HB Stadium's west plaza. $10M cash donation. Look it up.

"UMN has been fiscally mismanaged since the 1980s when they realized cuts needed to be made and the refusal to court large endowment gifts in the 50s and 60s was a bad idea."

UM's endowment is over $5.5B. Fourth largest in the B1G, BTW. It's grown by over $1B since Covid, BTW.

Research Guides: Research Funding and Grants: Research Funding and Grants

Navigate funding and grant opportunities or questions for their projects. Homepage for resources to help researchers navigate funding and grant opportunities or questions for their projects.
libguides.umn.edu libguides.umn.edu

"The anarchists and hippies from the 1960s have succeeded in turning UMN into a money-repulsing school. It's not just athletically. Look at how effed the medical school is now that they want to separate from Fairview."

U of M was ranked 21st in research funding in 2023 (latest figures i can find), right behind #20 Yale, at over $1.3B.
There is concern currently over medical research...due to Trump's NIH threatening to cut hundreds of millions in a political suit.


"Outstate hates the U." LOL. Maybe a couple in your circle of MAGAts, sure. But "outstate MN" is 3M people. Rather doubt you have spoken to them all.


As for "hippies and beatniks" well...Just LOL.
 



Stuff said:
I have been highly critical of PJ myself, but I don't want to see him get fired. There is a 90% chance the next coach could be a Brewster/Fickell and about a .1% we get a Cignetti. Anything else in between will be another Fleck level coach.

I will say with Fleck, he needs to have good a good OC & DC in place to be successful.

I think he has recruited solid athletes and high character people to the program, but we need a OC & DC to make them successful.
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Completely agree. Hopefully with all of the head coaches that got fired this year, we can bring one of them in as an offensive coordinator. That don't cut it there but are great coordinators. There's got to be an offensive one out there that we can bring in this off-season for a couple years until they get another chance to become a head coach.
 


USAF said:
The entire post was nothing but idiotic RW claptrap. No person with an ID above room temp would pay even the slightest attention.

Just a few easy examples:

"The Casino funded people won't give because their aggitators believe the UMN is on their land."

The SMSN literally paid for HB Stadium's west plaza. $10M cash donation. Look it up.

"UMN has been fiscally mismanaged since the 1980s when they realized cuts needed to be made and the refusal to court large endowment gifts in the 50s and 60s was a bad idea."

UM's endowment is over $5.5B. Fourth largest in the B1G, BTW. It's grown by over $1B since Covid, BTW.

Research Guides: Research Funding and Grants: Research Funding and Grants

Navigate funding and grant opportunities or questions for their projects. Homepage for resources to help researchers navigate funding and grant opportunities or questions for their projects.
libguides.umn.edu libguides.umn.edu

"The anarchists and hippies from the 1960s have succeeded in turning UMN into a money-repulsing school. It's not just athletically. Look at how effed the medical school is now that they want to separate from Fairview."

U of M was ranked 21st in research funding in 2023 (latest figures i can find), right behind #20 Yale, at over $1.3B.
There is concern currently over medical research...due to Trump's NIH threatening to cut hundreds of millions in a political suit.


"Outstate hates the U." LOL. Maybe a couple in your circle of MAGAts, sure. But "outstate MN" is 3M people. Rather doubt you have spoken to them all.


As for "hippies and beatniks" well...Just LOL.
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Ok thank you for responding. I appreciate the insights.

Having a wife working in the M-health system I disagree that it hasn’t been mismanaged in regards to the med school, but that is separate from the research side so I think your point is valid. Wonder why with such a large endowment that they struggle so much financially to put together a good budget annually? Granted their yearly budget is in the billions but I would think this would afford some fallback.

In regards to outstate, I think it is like any other state, population centers Blue outside of that Red. Generalizations are like stereotypes there is some truth to it even if it’s hard to admit to that.
 

kg21 said:
I will never understand how Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn't have money for NIL

All the businesses and big shots and nothing.
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Do you give DTA? That's a start. Every little bit helps.
 


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