Final AP Poll

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Fact of the matter is that we had a really solid ball club this year who could've folded but put up some fight and snagged 8 wins playing in a tough conference. We were several poor performance laden games where we were the better team away from another 9 win season under PJ. Let's do it again next year, but get to 10
 

Strongazzoffer said:
I understand why Ohio State was rated lower than Penn State. The committee was making a point not to punish teams for CCG loses, but I completely see your side of it as Ohio State went into Happy Valley and won and probably would have won in Indy and got the one seed if they hadn't shit bed vs Michigan. But unfortunately they did shit the bed in the Michigan game and that matters. I think some rare and weird scenarios happened this year and aren't common. Next year it could be straight forward where the big ten, Big 12 and ACC have undefeated champions and a one loss team beats an undefeated team in the SEC title. Top five seeds would be pretty straight forward. In 2023 the top six would have been obvious and I am sure will get years like that as well.
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I get not punishing a team for a CCG loss before this era

The only reason Penn state was in the game was an imbalanced schedule.
Once they played Oregon and the schedule balanced they had same number of losses (still wasn’t balanced because Penn state didn’t have to play Michigan or Indiana)

Nobody in the country thought Penn state was better than Ohio State
And once Penn state lost to Oregon they didn’t have a better resume either
 





Ope3 said:
Just specifically with Army, yes their 2 losses were to 10 win teams but they got blown out in both of them and Navy also was outside the Final Top 25.

The other was Notre Dame who lost to Ohio St who lost to Michigan, though I recognize the transient property can be a foolish endeavor.

If you have fewer losses but also fewer (or not even 1) Wins against other Top 25 Teams, that ranks lower in my criteria, however nebulous it might be.
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Yeah and that’s fine
I’m not offended if people have Michigan in their top 25
 

Some guy said:
Losses matter.
Michigan with 5 including one out of conference (and Washington)
Iowa with 5 including 2 out of conference (and Michigan state)
Minnesota with 5 including 1 out of conference (and Rutgers)
Rutgers with 6 including 1 out of conference (and UCLA)
USC with 6 including 1 out of conference (and Maryland)

The next best options to be ranked for the big ten all had too many losses. And not just at the hands of good teams.

The big ten probably has 7 teams between 20-50 though. Those 5 plus Nebraska and Washington.

If Michigan beats Washington, Iowa beats Michigan state or Missouri, Minnesota beats North Carolina, Rutgers beats UCLA, and USC beats Maryland…they might all be in the top 25
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MNVCGUY said:
It's the 5 loss thing that does it. As others pointed out there are no 5 loss teams in the final AP poll. Now if the Big Ten dropped to an 8 game schedule like the SEC and added an additional creampuff there is a good chance that Iowa, Michigan and Minnesota all would have finished with 4 loses and had a decent shot of ending up in the final top 25.
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Just making a flip comment. It feels like five loss SEC teams with a bowl win sort of expect to be ranked at the end of the year. I'm pretty surprised LSU didn't make the top 25 actually.
 

Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0 said:
Just making a flip comment. It feels like five loss SEC teams with a bowl win sort of expect to be ranked at the end of the year. I'm pretty surprised LSU didn't make the top 25 actually.
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3 loss Missouri is 23
2/3 4 loss teams are ranked in SEC for big ten there aren’t any 4 loss teams

0 5 loss teams are ranked for either conference
 

fmlizard said:
Developing trend: the Midwest and West are rising while the South is falling.

In the NIL era, this is a predictable outcome of the Midwest and West being generally wealthier than the South.
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With the exception of Oil money the likes of SMU and Texas ATM have.
 




Strongazzoffer said:
I understand why Ohio State was rated lower than Penn State. The committee was making a point not to punish teams for CCG loses, but I completely see your side of it as Ohio State went into Happy Valley and won and probably would have won in Indy and got the one seed if they hadn't shit bed vs Michigan. But unfortunately they did shit the bed in the Michigan game and that matters. I think some rare and weird scenarios happened this year and aren't common. Next year it could be straight forward where the big ten, Big 12 and ACC have undefeated champions and a one loss team beats an undefeated team in the SEC title. Top five seeds would be pretty straight forward. In 2023 the top six would have been obvious and I am sure will get years like that as well.
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Something they could only do in a 12 team playoff. Had it been 4, tOSU would likely have been in.

Oregon was only lock in a 4 team playoff.
 






btowngopher said:
Oregon should be two ahead of ND.
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Based on how they played Ohio State in the playoffs I would put ND ahead of Oregon. The Ohio State/Oregon Rose Bowl game was over 10 minutes into the game. Ohio State was in cruise control over ND but ND at least fought back.
 

fmlizard said:
Developing trend: the Midwest and West are rising while the South is falling.

In the NIL era, this is a predictable outcome of the Midwest and West being generally wealthier than the South.
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I'm not so sure that matters much. I think there are many wealthy Suth'nas who love throwing their money towards their favorite university's football program. Up here we're a little more frugal and reserved with our money. Just my humble opinion.
 


MNfootballfan said:
Based on how they played Ohio State in the playoffs I would put ND ahead of Oregon. The Ohio State/Oregon Rose Bowl game was over 10 minutes into the game. Ohio State was in cruise control over ND but ND at least fought back.
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So just throw out that ND also lost to northern Illinois, and Oregon previously beat OSU?
 

btowngopher said:
So just throw out that ND also lost to northern Illinois, and Oregon previously beat OSU?
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Oregon beat them by 1 at home and then got ran out of the Rose Bowl. You could make an argument that there should be an * next to their win because they used a loophole in the rule to beat them. So much so, the NCAA changed the rule immediately. (For the record, I loved what Oregon did. I don't blame you if you are smart enough to know the rule book and know what you can and can't do)

I am not throwing out the Northern Illinois loss.

I think if they played today Notre Dame would beat Oregon.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Something they could only do in a 12 team playoff. Had it been 4, tOSU would likely have been in.

Oregon was only lock in a 4 team playoff.
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I don't think Ohio State makes a 4 team playoff this year after their loss to Michigan. I disagree, I think Oregon and Georgia would have been guaranteed locks. Zero chance they keep the SEC Champion out. I think they would go Notre Dame and Texas - you know because the SEC is the 'best conference' in college football.

Penn State and Ohio State would have been on the outside looking in.
 




MNfootballfan said:
I don't think Ohio State makes a 4 team playoff this year after their loss to Michigan. I disagree, I think Oregon and Georgia would have been guaranteed locks. Zero chance they keep the SEC Champion out. I think they would go Notre Dame and Texas - you know because the SEC is the 'best conference' in college football.

Penn State and Ohio State would have been on the outside looking in.
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In a 4 team playoff they would’ve had Ohio state over Penn state but I think the final 4 would’ve rigged it so the final four was:
Oregon vs Texas
Notre Dame vs Georgia
 

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