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I agree with the intent of the rule but I am worried we're going to see something called a "fake slide" that's just a juke.
 



Do rule changes normally come out this quickly?
 





Word said:
Do rule changes normally come out this quickly?
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They happen most years. Some take longer.

It took Iowa a long time to get the gopher on sides kickoff rule done.

This one is pretty straight forward.
 







What is a little goofy to me is that there really didn't need to be any rule change. Had the officials called the guy down when they should have, as he clearly started to lower his center, this would not even be a topic of conversation this week.
 

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What was the old rule?
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They passed a rule this last year I believe that a feet first slide is down at the point where the slide starts. Basically, this is an amendment saying the player is down regardless of whether or not he actually goes to the turf.
 



Good to see they moved quickly on this. The refs should have ruled him down at the spot. Interpretation might end up getting a little dicey....but since this really only applies to QBs....it makes sense to clarify this.
 

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Do rule changes normally come out this quickly?
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One other time off the top of my head, from several years ago (can't remember when exactly).

Do you remember when they changed some kind of rule on the kick off and in the middle of the season some coaching staff figured out that it was a huge advantage, in the right circumstance, to purposefully send your kickoff team offsides of the kick? Like way offsides, 5+ yards off running down the field before the kick.

I believe they fixed that very quickly. It pretty much was "cheating" the rule.
 

stocker08 said:
Good to see they moved quickly on this. The refs should have ruled him down at the spot. Interpretation might end up getting a little dicey....but since this really only applies to QBs....it makes sense to clarify this.
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Wonder if something like this could be reviewable? No win situation for the defense guys, if he does slide and they hit him they get flagged, so they have been trained to let up. That said, while he was definitely faking the slide, it was brief enough that they should not have let up to the degree they did so quickly.
 

If that play was against ISU or Nebraska, the defensive back would probably be preparing for a targeting call.
 

Sorry, I still don't like this. the QB slowed down, bobbed his head and tilted his shoulders. If that is starting a slide, then you are asking officials to be mind-readers and guess the QB's intent.

Let's say you have a 'running' QB like a Martinez, or maybe Athan K. for the Gophers 2 years from now. He tries to fake out a defender, the ref thinks he's faking a slide, and blows the play dead.

Look, maybe some of the efforts to protect QB's have gone too far.

I would rather have this rule: once the QB leaves his feet to go into a slide, that's when the protections go into place. as long as his feet are on the ground and his body is upright, or mostly upright, he's fair game. maybe come up with a degree factor - once the QB's body is at a certain angle to the ground, like a 45 degree angle, then he is sliding. Yes, this calls for a judgement call by the official, but so does the new 'fake slide' rule.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Sorry, I still don't like this. the QB slowed down, bobbed his head and tilted his shoulders. If that is starting a slide, then you are asking officials to be mind-readers and guess the QB's intent.

Let's say you have a 'running' QB like a Martinez, or maybe Athan K. for the Gophers 2 years from now. He tries to fake out a defender, the ref thinks he's faking a slide, and blows the play dead.

Look, maybe some of the efforts to protect QB's have gone too far.

I would rather have this rule: once the QB leaves his feet to go into a slide, that's when the protections go into place. as long as his feet are on the ground and his body is upright, or mostly upright, he's fair game. maybe come up with a degree factor - once the QB's body is at a certain angle to the ground, like a 45 degree angle, then he is sliding. Yes, this calls for a judgement call by the official, but so does the new 'fake slide' rule.
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You are asking a LOT of the defensive player. If you want to protect QBs (but maybe you don't) then you have to have rules like this in place.

And the QB in the case here admitted it was a fake slide. It was head, shoulders, and a foot drag (you can even see the rubber bits fly up from the foot drag). Definitely not a normal juke. So QBs just need to know if they are gonna make a juke it better not resemble a slide.

But if you're saying QBs shouldn't have protections and we don't care about concussions, that's a different discussion.
 

Why do people keep talking about protecting the QB with this sliding rule? Any ball carrier can give himself up by sliding. Unless I'm flat wrong, when a ball carrier starts to lower his center (or hips), as is clear in this case (sorry SON), he is supposed to be ruled down at that point. Yes, we see sliding more often with QB's, but anyone can do it. It needed to be addressed one way or another, or db's would simply be taught to go all out and rightfully so.
 
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stocker08 said:
Good to see they moved quickly on this. The refs should have ruled him down at the spot. Interpretation might end up getting a little dicey....but since this really only applies to QBs....it makes sense to clarify this.
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I can understand refs not being ready to call it, nobody had tried pulling something like that.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Sorry, I still don't like this. the QB slowed down, bobbed his head and tilted his shoulders. If that is starting a slide, then you are asking officials to be mind-readers and guess the QB's intent.

Let's say you have a 'running' QB like a Martinez, or maybe Athan K. for the Gophers 2 years from now. He tries to fake out a defender, the ref thinks he's faking a slide, and blows the play dead.

Look, maybe some of the efforts to protect QB's have gone too far.

I would rather have this rule: once the QB leaves his feet to go into a slide, that's when the protections go into place. as long as his feet are on the ground and his body is upright, or mostly upright, he's fair game. maybe come up with a degree factor - once the QB's body is at a certain angle to the ground, like a 45 degree angle, then he is sliding. Yes, this calls for a judgement call by the official, but so does the new 'fake slide' rule.
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If you're going to do that, then defenders need to have some leeway in making contact with the sliding player. I'm all for the protection part of it, but that run shouldn't have been allowed. The moment his back leg started to bring up the rubber pellets and his shoulders started to turn like he was going to slide he should have been down.
If I'm a defensive coach in that game, after that play I would have said the next time that QB scrambles, tackle him regardless of if he is sliding or not. Take the 15 and put end to him trying that again.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Let's say you have a 'running' QB like a Martinez, or maybe Athan K. for the Gophers 2 years from now. He tries to fake out a defender, the ref thinks he's faking a slide, and blows the play dead.
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Rarely if ever do you lean back to fake anyone out, and if you do, you are asking to shred your ACL because that is exactly how ACL injuries happen downhill skiing.
 

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