Extend Fleck

[UpAndUnder43]

You think my wife knows that?

No. But she should be able to figure it out! haha.

 

[FredCoxRocks]

No. But she should be able to figure it out! haha.

All she sees or hears right now is - University of Minnesota; fee refund; only $1200. Bringing up how money is raised, allocated, dispersed, etc. right now could cause me great bodily harm.

 

[UpAndUnder43]

All she sees or hears right now is - University of Minnesota; fee refund; only $1200. Bringing up how money is raised, allocated, dispersed, etc. right now could cause me great bodily harm.

Barreiro was discussing this on Tuesday, but I didn’t hear it all.
How much SHOULD the refund be?

 

[Spoofin]

Just saw the updated profile picture. Love it

Yeah - that is a fantastic profile pic.

 

[Spaulding!No!]

No. But she should be able to figure it out! haha.

Might as well hire Leidballs away from bitesquad to be the qb coach.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

The covid-19 fallout is not just going to hit the U of M - it is going to hit every college in the country.
TV revenue potentially down, ticket revenue down, ad sales down, donations from boosters down.

At this time, I cannot see any school getting into a bidding war for a coach, or paying a 7-figure buyout. the optics would be terrible. Likewise on handing out extensions.

Now, if Fleck - for whatever reason - decides he does not want to be at the U of MN, he will find a way to leave. But it will not be because another school came in with an unbeatable financial offer.

In fact - I would not be shocked if coaches agreed to re-negotiate contracts to take less money. For instance, Fleck gets extended a year but the total financial package remains the same - just spread the money out over an additional year.

 

[UpAndUnder43]

The covid-19 fallout is not just going to hit the U of M - it is going to hit every college in the country.
TV revenue potentially down, ticket revenue down, ad sales down, donations from boosters down.

At this time, I cannot see any school getting into a bidding war for a coach, or paying a 7-figure buyout. the optics would be terrible. Likewise on handing out extensions.

Now, if Fleck - for whatever reason - decides he does not want to be at the U of MN, he will find a way to leave. But it will not be because another school came in with an unbeatable financial offer.

In fact - I would not be shocked if coaches agreed to re-negotiate contracts to take less money. For instance, Fleck gets extended a year but the total financial package remains the same - just spread the money out over an additional year.

Why would coaches do that? The contract exists. Unless the schools have a pandemic clause...I don’t see taking the same total for more years

 

[FredCoxRocks]

Barreiro was discussing this on Tuesday, but I didn’t hear it all.
How much SHOULD the refund be?

Here comes my longest post ever. Here goes...

It’s around $5200 for housing and the meal plan per semester at the Twin Cities campus. Online classes went into effect almost exactly at the half-semester mark; and shortly afterward, the students were asked to move off campus. If my math is correct, half of that would be $2600. The U is offering a $1200 refund…which amounts to less than half of what students feel they are owed, or what they’re asking for.

When you compare, the U of M-Morris housing/meal costs are about 2/3 to 3/4 of what the Twin Cities campus student pay, yet those students are also slated to be refunded $1200. So essentially they are getting a larger percentage of their unused plan refunded. I don’t know what Crookston, UMD, etc. pay for housing/meals.

One of the state legislators is drafting a bill that would require Minnesota colleges and universities to refund 90% of students’ unused room and board expenses. This would be about $2340 for U of M-Twin Cities students. It may not seem much, but to a college kid that extra $1140 means a lot.

Also, virtually all of the students’ classes are online now. There is no more lab work, face time with professors, group learning, or hands-on learning. Students have lost that valuable time, especially the freshman. I know my daughter has already paid for lab time that she won’t see, and who knows if that money will be refunded? Something else to consider is that money they are not being refunded is still on the big tuition bill - a bill to many which will be financed. So that $1140 will need to be paid back over time….with interest. You compile all of this and the students are now feeling they are not getting their bang for their buck, and any bit of help from the U would be a nice gesture.

Several of the other state colleges and universities here in Minnesota have fairly refunded their students. As far as I know, right now the U is the only one leaving their students feeling short-changed. However, Gabel is reassessing this and I would hope she is smart enough to do the right thing. The fair thing.

Once this is all done, then I will ask my wife if Coyle should give Fleck and extension. If you stop seeing posts on GopherHole from me you'll know I asked at the wrong time.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Here comes my longest post ever. Here goes...

It’s around $5200 for housing and the meal plan per semester at the Twin Cities campus. Online classes went into effect almost exactly at the half-semester mark; and shortly afterward, the students were asked to move off campus. If my math is correct, half of that would be $2600. The U is offering a $1200 refund…which amounts to less than half of what students feel they are owed, or what they’re asking for.

When you compare, the U of M-Morris housing/meal costs are about 2/3 to 3/4 of what the Twin Cities campus student pay, yet those students are also slated to be refunded $1200. So essentially they are getting a larger percentage of their unused plan refunded. I don’t know what Crookston, UMD, etc. pay for housing/meals.

One of the state legislators is drafting a bill that would require Minnesota colleges and universities to refund 90% of students’ unused room and board expenses. This would be about $2340 for U of M-Twin Cities students. It may not seem much, but to a college kid that extra $1140 means a lot.

Also, virtually all of the students’ classes are online now. There is no more lab work, face time with professors, group learning, or hands-on learning. Students have lost that valuable time, especially the freshman. I know my daughter has already paid for lab time that she won’t see, and who knows if that money will be refunded? Something else to consider is that money they are not being refunded is still on the big tuition bill - a bill to many which will be financed. So that $1140 will need to be paid back over time….with interest. You compile all of this and the students are now feeling they are not getting their bang for their buck, and any bit of help from the U would be a nice gesture.

Several of the other state colleges and universities here in Minnesota have fairly refunded their students. As far as I know, right now the U is the only one leaving their students feeling short-changed. However, Gabel is reassessing this and I would hope she is smart enough to do the right thing. The fair thing.

Once this is all done, then I will ask my wife if Coyle should give Fleck and extension. If you stop seeing posts on GopherHole from me you'll know I asked at the wrong time.

College funding, funding the students, funding the colleges and etc is a weird world.

At teh same time I fear that if a lot of folks got what they wanted (students actually pay the full cost... it's treated a sa business) we'd end up in a world where a lot fewer people get to goto college and we'd have all sorts of educational and economic issues.

 

[Just Gopher It!!]

I could be wrong, but didn't we just extend him 2 month ago? Imagine the press and the public seeing an extension and a raise for our football coach when 6M people are applying for unemployment. I don't think that's going to play very well and I also don't think there's any danger of Fleck leaving at this point in time. He's getting what he needs to compete at the highest levels and if we EVER get back to normal, the U can address the extension issue after we start playing again.

Talk about bad optics - this woukd get hammered by State Legislators, media and I highly doubt the Regents we would approve it.

God's grief, many people (tax payers/voters) are worried about paying their mortgage/rent and bring able to put food on the table.

This is something that is a complete nothing burger at this juncture.

 

[tjgopher]

I don't think I ever mentioned a raise but a lot of posters sure are mad at that idea that wasn't presented by me.

Push the buyout, PJ takes a cut now, raises 2-3-4 years down the road, make this forever.

Look, PJ Fleck just signed a new seven-year deal. He isn't going to sign any type of long-term extension to that deal that would include a higher buyout for him to walk away unless the new deal would come with a significant pay raise, whether that raise comes 2 years down the line or 8 years down the line. And, he certainly isn't willingly going to accept a pay cut to sign a long-term deal that doesn't include a significant pay raise at some point. Bottom line, there aren't going to be contracts handed out with any type of significant raises in them for a bit here.

 

[UpAndUnder43]

Look, PJ Fleck just signed a new seven-year deal. He isn't going to sign any type of long-term extension to that deal that would include a higher buyout for him to walk away unless the new deal would come with a significant pay raise, whether that raise comes 2 years down the line or 8 years down the line. And, he certainly isn't willingly going to accept a pay cut to sign a long-term deal that doesn't include a significant pay raise at some point. Bottom line, there aren't going to be contracts handed out with any type of significant raises in them for a bit here.

You quoted my OP, and then a later post...but sure.

I would offer him a significant pay raise. Because him winning creates more money than you're paying him. Maybe people don't like the optics of it but the fund to pay PJ (or other coaches) is different than the fund to pay peoples mortgages or whatever they want to do.

 

[tjgopher]

You quoted my OP, and then a later post...but sure.

I would offer him a significant pay raise. Because him winning creates more money than you're paying him. Maybe people don't like the optics of it but the fund to pay PJ (or other coaches) is different than the fund to pay peoples mortgages or whatever they want to do.

The fund to pay PJ doesn't traditionally turn any type of huge profit and will likely be millions short of projected revenue for awhile. As mentioned earlier, the better question is will the U ask PJ and others to take a pay cut like many schools are doing. There will be no significant raises when there don't have to be. PJ isn't going anywhere for the short term, and maybe not for the long term. For now, he is just fine. There's literally zero chance he is leaving this summer, so everyone can calm down and lets see if there is even a football season.

 

[West Fargo Gopher Fan]

At least 10 years 50 million a year

 

[hungan1]

There might be something like everyone take a 20% pay cut rather than laying off staff. I'd think you'd want to leave football the money maker alone.

Some companies are doing this in lieu of job cuts for when the business take off. They don't want to lose experienced employees.

 

[builtbadgers]

Actually there are coaches giving back . No one is adding money to the AD side or the coaches side. The economic turmoil is real and widespread. Best to not have any news about multi-million dollar extensions right now.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Here comes my longest post ever. Here goes...

It’s around $5200 for housing and the meal plan per semester at the Twin Cities campus. Online classes went into effect almost exactly at the half-semester mark; and shortly afterward, the students were asked to move off campus. If my math is correct, half of that would be $2600. The U is offering a $1200 refund…which amounts to less than half of what students feel they are owed, or what they’re asking for.

When you compare, the U of M-Morris housing/meal costs are about 2/3 to 3/4 of what the Twin Cities campus student pay, yet those students are also slated to be refunded $1200. So essentially they are getting a larger percentage of their unused plan refunded. I don’t know what Crookston, UMD, etc. pay for housing/meals.

One of the state legislators is drafting a bill that would require Minnesota colleges and universities to refund 90% of students’ unused room and board expenses. This would be about $2340 for U of M-Twin Cities students. It may not seem much, but to a college kid that extra $1140 means a lot.

Also, virtually all of the students’ classes are online now. There is no more lab work, face time with professors, group learning, or hands-on learning. Students have lost that valuable time, especially the freshman. I know my daughter has already paid for lab time that she won’t see, and who knows if that money will be refunded? Something else to consider is that money they are not being refunded is still on the big tuition bill - a bill to many which will be financed. So that $1140 will need to be paid back over time….with interest. You compile all of this and the students are now feeling they are not getting their bang for their buck, and any bit of help from the U would be a nice gesture.

Several of the other state colleges and universities here in Minnesota have fairly refunded their students. As far as I know, right now the U is the only one leaving their students feeling short-changed. However, Gabel is reassessing this and I would hope she is smart enough to do the right thing. The fair thing.

Once this is all done, then I will ask my wife if Coyle should give Fleck and extension. If you stop seeing posts on GopherHole from me you'll know I asked at the wrong time.

Complicated question on PJF extension as his buyout lessens dramatically after the season, IIRC. However, as pointed out it looks pretty bad to give a hefty raise to Coach while the school is giving students the shaft.

Regarding the bolded, the U didn’t come to play school or do math, apparently. When you’re spending other people’s (often borrowed) money it’s just a bunch of esoteric numbers on paper. Students have wondered for a very long time why cost of attendance is so high and growing much faster than general inflation and beyond any reasonable number. This may prompt some to look closer at the reasons and perhaps raise some questions (gasp).

 

[UpAndUnder43]

Some threads age poorly on Gopherhole. This is not one of them!