Evans commits to North Carolina

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Bob_Loblaw said:
Go on youtube and look up "Florida Gators' First Class After Winning". The interviewer asks every player what their first class back after winning will be - none of them could answer. A couple of them didn't even understand the question.
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I wonder how many of those kids will eventually realize just how embarrassing those interviews actually were.
 

ecoperson said:
Evans to the U WAS thought to be pretty much a done deal 8 days ago until UNC started sniffing around and eventually offered well more than the U was willing to pay. No need to be a prig. PMac95 has been a solid poster.
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LOL.
It was an April fool's joke.
He completely made up shit and you ate it up like 13 yr old fanboy rubes. He's laughing his ass off. He had no "source."

FTR, Garcia ain't coming back either.
 
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Slim Tubby said:
I wonder how many of those kids will eventually realize just how embarrassing those interviews actually were.
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I hear you. For many of them, it is just a wasted opportunity. Even if they have a million bucks from playing basketball in the future (NIL, Euro, etc.), an accounting degree or something of value could really come in handy in the future.

In some ways, I don't blame them. I mean they are getting paid millions of dollars to play basketball and many of them will continue to get paid in some capacity. The charade of these guys being college "athletes" is essentially over. I think many of them - the non-stars - are worse off for it.
 

Hearsay alert:
I heard that Duke has its players take contracted Jr College online courses. It wouldn't surprise me that a lot of schools are like UNC with the sham classes from contracted places. Doing that keeps the University from the wrath of accreditation boards while allowing the University to accept credits, or not.
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
I hear you. For many of them, it is just a wasted opportunity. Even if they have a million bucks from playing basketball in the future (NIL, Euro, etc.), an accounting degree or something of value could really come in handy in the future.

In some ways, I don't blame them. I mean they are getting paid millions of dollars to play basketball and many of them will continue to get paid in some capacity. The charade of these guys being college "athletes" is essentially over. I think many of them - the non-stars - are worse off for it.
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Sorry to insult your profession, Bob. But I’m predicting that some of the same lawyers/agents collecting commissions on pay for play will turn around and sue universities five to ten years down the line because their clients are out of money and the schools didn’t give them an education. It’s a nutty world.
 

Bad Gopher said:
It's understandable. UNC is still UNC, with all its prestige and history and powder blue uniforms. And money, to be sure.

I'd rather have guys that want to be here, where the athletes take the same classes as the rest of the student body.

You could've been part of the beginning of something big here, Kyan. Toodles.
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It's cute that you think the athletes take the same classes as the rest of the student body. I'm sure the whole basketball team is taking organic chemistry and mechanical engineering.
 

ecoperson said:
Evans to the U WAS thought to be pretty much a done deal 8 days ago until UNC started sniffing around and eventually offered well more than the U was willing to pay. No need to be a prig. PMac95 has been a solid poster.
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Katy Perry and I WERE thought to be pretty much a done deal 20 years ago until Hollywood started sniffing around and eventually offered well more than I was willing to pay.
 




dpodoll68 said:
It's cute that you think the athletes take the same classes as the rest of the student body. I'm sure the whole basketball team is taking organic chemistry and mechanical engineering.
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Some do. This was a while ago, but I took classes with some, both at Morris and the Twin Cities. My good bud and fellow gymnastics dad Peter Olson was a walk-on for Dutcher back in the day, and he was Mechanical Engineering and eventually went to law school and is now a patent lawyer for 3M. More recently, Trevor Winter graduated from the Carlson School. My wife was on the CEHD alumni board with Quincy Lewis. Isn't Andre Hollins currently working on his MBA at the Carlson School?

I understand the cynicism, and I do wonder how things have changed in the contemporary semi-pro era, but I advise against painting with too big of a brush and thereby slandering athletes who are serious about this. It's not fair. I'd like to think you're better than this, but you'd have to show me.
 

USAF said:
LOL.
It was an April fool's joke.
He completely made up shit and you ate it up like 13 yr old fanboy rubes. He's laughing his ass off. He had no "source."

FTR, Garcia ain't coming back either.
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My own connections told me that they were having trying to get a couple of players including Evans in for a visit before the dead period started last Thursday. Evans could not make the tight travel window. Preliminary conversations had gone well and Evans WAS expected to eventually sign on. As I explained UNC got involved and the U was unwilling to match the $$. What can be the truth one day, can be false the next after circumstances change. Enough said.

FWIW: Garcia HAS inquired about the possibility of another year but is exploring options as well as waiting to see how the NCAA responds more broadly before pursuing.
 

ecoperson said:
My own connections told me that they were having trying to get a couple of players including Evans in for a visit before the dead period started last Thursday. Evans could not make the tight travel window. Preliminary conversations had gone well and Evans WAS expected to eventually sign on. As I explained UNC got involved and the U was unwilling to match the $$. What can be the truth one day, can be false the next after circumstances change. Enough said.

FWIW: Garcia HAS inquired about the possibility of another year but is exploring options as well as waiting to see how the NCAA responds more broadly before pursuing.
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LOL.
First rule of holes: when you find yourself in one, stop digging.
 

ecoperson said:
My own connections told me that they were having trying to get a couple of players including Evans in for a visit before the dead period started last Thursday. Evans could not make the tight travel window. Preliminary conversations had gone well and Evans WAS expected to eventually sign on. As I explained UNC got involved and the U was unwilling to match the $$. What can be the truth one day, can be false the next after circumstances change. Enough said.

FWIW: Garcia HAS inquired about the possibility of another year but is exploring options as well as waiting to see how the NCAA responds more broadly before pursuing.
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As Mother Superior said in The Sound of Music, whenever a door closes, a window opens.
 





dpodoll68 said:
It's cute that you think the athletes take the same classes as the rest of the student body. I'm sure the whole basketball team is taking organic chemistry and mechanical engineering.
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I can't speak to men's basketball, but I personally know former football and hockey players that were taking real classes, even in some harder majors. But they were all athletes 10+ years ago.
 

Bad Gopher said:
I find eco's answer far more substantive than yours. It adds up.
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Substantive as in "Have heard (first hand) that Dawson will be back next year" to "HAS inquired about returning" and even then odds are he would get a massive raise somewhere else.

Substantive as in "Medved’s gonna get his guy!" to that darn "tight travel window".

It's easy to prey on long-suffering Gopher fans. No shame.
 

Word said:
I can't speak to men's basketball, but I personally know former football and hockey players that were taking real classes, even in some harder majors. But they were all athletes 10+ years ago.
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Oh, for sure, there is definitely a small minority, and they are the exception that proves the rule. I just laughed (literally laughed out loud) at the implication that our basketball players are taking "real classes" in leisure studies and history of video games and UNC's basketball players are taking "fake classes".

Bad gets mad when I "slander" athletes at the U, but he has no problem whatsoever in painting with a broad brush and not only insinuating, but outright stating that all UNC basketball players are taking fake classes. Generalizing is bad when it's in reference to our own athletes, but hunky dory when the athletes go to a different school.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Go on youtube and look up "Florida Gators' First Class After Winning". The interviewer asks every player what their first class back after winning will be - none of them could answer. A couple of them didn't even understand the question.
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My answer back in the day after a Thirsty Thursday at Tiffs
 

Bad Gopher said:
My good bud and fellow gymnastics dad Peter Olson was a walk-on for Dutcher back in the day, and he was Mechanical Engineering and eventually went to law school and is now a patent lawyer for 3M.
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Well duh, most walk-ons (especially in basketball) serve the sole purpose of raising the team GPA, particularly back when that actually mattered and not hitting benchmarks had consequences. Completely unsurprisingly, Olson played in 6 games over 2 years for a total of 8 minutes, and probably had a 4.0 or close to it, so he fit the profile perfectly.
Bad Gopher said:
More recently, Trevor Winter graduated from the Carlson School. My wife was on the CEHD alumni board with Quincy Lewis. Isn't Andre Hollins currently working on his MBA at the Carlson School?
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I also have an MBA from the Carlson School, and I will be the first in line to admit that it's not exactly rigorous, especially when compared to STEM disciplines. And CEHD? Bruh.
Bad Gopher said:
I understand the cynicism, and I do wonder how things have changed in the contemporary semi-pro era, but I advise against painting with too big of a brush and thereby slandering athletes who are serious about this. It's not fair. I'd like to think you're better than this, but you'd have to show me.
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I addressed this in my post to Word above - but do you have any mirrors in your house?
 

dpodoll68 said:
Oh, for sure, there is definitely a small minority, and they are the exception that proves the rule. I just laughed (literally laughed out loud) at the implication that our basketball players are taking "real classes" in leisure studies and history of video games and UNC's basketball players are taking "fake classes".

Bad gets mad when I "slander" athletes at the U, but he has no problem whatsoever in painting with a broad brush and not only insinuating, but outright stating that all UNC basketball players are taking fake classes. Generalizing is bad when it's in reference to our own athletes, but hunky dory when the athletes go to a different school.
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To clarify, I would never say that all UNC athletes are taking all fake classes. But when you're busted for running the racket they were running, it tarnishes everyone who competes there.

UNC is not a bad institution, mind you. Some of the best minds in my industry have worked there and produced practice-changing research.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Well duh, most walk-ons (especially in basketball) serve the sole purpose of raising the team GPA, particularly back when that actually mattered and not hitting benchmarks had consequences. Completely unsurprisingly, Olson played in 6 games over 2 years for a total of 8 minutes, and probably had a 4.0 or close to it, so he fit the profile perfectly.

I also have an MBA from the Carlson School, and I will be the first in line to admit that it's not exactly rigorous, especially when compared to STEM disciplines. And CEHD? Bruh.

I addressed this in my post to Word above - but do you have any mirrors in your house?
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You got me again. Right as usual.
 


Bad Gopher said:
To clarify, I would never say that all UNC athletes are taking all fake classes. But when you're busted for running the racket they were running, it tarnishes everyone who competes there.
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So every UMN athlete since 1997 is tarnished?
 

MilosRevenge said:
Substantive as in "Have heard (first hand) that Dawson will be back next year" to "HAS inquired about returning" and even then odds are he would get a massive raise somewhere else.

Substantive as in "Medved’s gonna get his guy!" to that darn "tight travel window".

It's easy to prey on long-suffering Gopher fans. No shame.
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You can judge it how you want it, but it adds up to me. We fans are forced to connect data points and try to figure out what goes on behind the scenes...for instance, with Ben Johnson's hire. From my perspective, where there's smoke, there's fire. It reminds me of the Doug Wrenn situation. Nothing is ever a done deal until it's a done deal, but I believe that was pretty close to being a done deal until UConn swooped in with a bag of dirty money.
 




UNC whips us in Chapel Hill in 2023. Dragan misses the game-winner at The Bank. Evans is snatched away in a blue-blood heist. The Monitor sinks off the North Carolina coast. My wife’s family from Greensboro is great fun, though.
 

Bad Gopher said:
I find eco's answer far more substantive than yours. It adds up.
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The problem is, his answer only makes sense if UNC was never sniffing around in the first place or would have stopped after Evans came to campus.

Sorry it sounds like wishful thinking. I think a lot of people probably thought Evans was a lock because of his prior relationship but they never factored in that Evans might care more about cashing in than following his coach. I would bet it is more likely UNC was "sniffing around" long before the dead period (you don't make the kind of offer they did on a whim that is just ludicrous) and Nico knew it.

I am not saying eco or anyone else is lying, I am saying the sources of this information were not paying enough attention and it blinded them to what was really going on. Evans was never close to a lock or a sure thing and that fact was tipped when he didn't make the move right away. He was obviously shopping around looking for the best offer its the only logical conclusion.

I don't like saying this, but USAF is right here.
 

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