ESPN's Jeff Borzello: "As of time of publish, it seems Ben Johnson is likely to get another year at Minnesota."

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bizzle22 said:
Based on what? Short of Medved’s short stint in 2007 neither has any power 5 experience. There’s a significant difference there between competing against Tom Izzo and Matt Painter
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Can they beat North Texas? Can they beat the dregs of the Big Ten? I bet they can...
 

bizzle22 said:
The last 4 years are a sunk cost. They are done. We aren’t getting them back. What guarantee do we have that bringing in a coach with little to zero experience with NIL/revenue sharing will produce better results? (Remember - the system is going through a big change again next year.) I’d generally agree that he was lucky to get the last 4 years, but I’m not sure what any of that had to do with the program going forward.
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The sunk cost is keeping him because we have time invested. The people wanting to keep him are using the fallacy...

What is better...a 5-15 Big Ten teams coached by a 5th year coach or a 5-15 Big Ten teams coached by a fresh face? One goes nowhere, the other has potential.

Ben Johnson is an almost guaranteed terrible season. There is literally nothing to lose. Any coach can do what he has done.
 


Bad Gopher said:
For starters, they've both accomplished things and Ben has accomplished nothing. I've seen all three coach and all their teams play, including multiple Medved teams. I'm going to believe my eyes.

Izzo and Painter are excellent, but let's not pretend they're superhuman. Mortals can and have matched wits with them. The whole idea that nobody could do so as well as Johnson makes me laugh. He was abjectly unqualified when he was hired, and he would still struggle to tread water as a head coach at any level of basketball. To even compare him to Medved in any way is a joke.
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They’ve both accomplished 0 at the power 5 level. Go ahead and believe your eyes, but it’s a fact that Medved has been a D1 head coach for 12 years and has never made the round of 32 in the NCAA tournament. What makes you think he will move up a level, figure out NIL/revenue sharing with no experience, and all of a sudden figure it out?

I never said Johnson could match Izzo/Painter, but the evidence that Niko could is pretty scarce.
 

bizzle22 said:
Hundreds of wins at the D3 level is convincing? What NIL/Revenue sharing issues do you think he has experience with? Those are the most important factors for a D1 Power 5 coach. The Summit League is not in the same world as the Big Ten
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What has Ben Johnson done? Nothing. You keep disparaging D3 but Ben Johnson has never even coached there. He wasn't even a highly thought of assistant.

And your Tom Izzo comments are a joke. Johnson struggles with the dregs of the Big Ten. No one is saying we need a coach that can compete with hall of famers. How about one that can beat average Big Ten teams?
 

bizzle22 said:
They’ve both accomplished 0 at the power 5 level. Go ahead and believe your eyes, but it’s a fact that Medved has been a D1 head coach for 12 years and has never made the round of 32 in the NCAA tournament. What makes you think he will move up a level, figure out NIL/revenue sharing with no experience, and all of a sudden figure it out?

I never said Johnson could match Izzo/Painter, but the evidence that Niko could is pretty scarce.
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Can Niko beat Penn State, Northwestern and Rutgers? Ben Johnson struggles to. Must be all that NIL money in Piscataway :rolleyes: :ROFLMAO:
 




USAF said:
This is so effing tired. "NIL! Poor Ben"

NIL has ZERO to do with how shitty a coach he is.

Nothing. Zilch. Zip.
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If he has Pharrell Payne and Elijah Hawkins we have the same record?

Again, I’m fine getting outbid by Kentucky or Kansas (that’s not an us problem). It is what it is. But getting outbid by Texas Tech and Texas A&M for basketball players is a big problem, and it’s not a Ben problem. That problem will exist regardless of the head coach.
 

bizzle22 said:
If he has Pharrell Payne and Elijah Hawkins we have the same record?

Again, I’m fine getting outbid by Kentucky or Kansas (that’s not an us problem). It is what it is. But getting outbid by Texas Tech and Texas A&M for basketball players is a big problem, and it’s not a Ben problem. That problem will exist regardless of the head coach.
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He had Payne and Hawkins last year. And an NBA pick. And Garcia.

How'd that go?

The point, since it seems to go right over your head, is that Johnson is a piss poor basketball coach.

And that ain't changing, regardless the NIL.

So yeah, give him Payne and Hawkins this year and we're probably still one and done on Weakling Wednesday.

And we'll be having this same conversation next year, despite what a few morons are babbling about "rev'nuw sharin'!!"
 

Dave H said:
What has Ben Johnson done? Nothing. You keep disparaging D3 but Ben Johnson has never even coached there. He wasn't even a highly thought of assistant.

And your Tom Izzo comments are a joke. Johnson struggles with the dregs of the Big Ten. No one is saying we need a coach that can compete with hall of famers. How about one that can beat average Big Ten teams?
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Could I sell you on a coach who beat Michigan, USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Iowa? Many of those on the road.
 

bizzle22 said:
They’ve both accomplished 0 at the power 5 level. Go ahead and believe your eyes, but it’s a fact that Medved has been a D1 head coach for 12 years and has never made the round of 32 in the NCAA tournament. What makes you think he will move up a level, figure out NIL/revenue sharing with no experience, and all of a sudden figure it out?

I never said Johnson could match Izzo/Painter, but the evidence that Niko could is pretty scarce.
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You know what? You're right. The guy who's qualified for NCAA tournaments out of a mid major conference and the guy who's won D3 championships are clearly less accomplished than the guy who's won nearly 28 percent of his conference games. What could I have been thinking!? Thanks for setting me straight. Ben Johnson is so clearly the long-term answer for Minnesota basketball. How can there possibly be any question or concern? Among other things, this conversation has helped me see the genius of withholding two of your five best players on the bench for six to eight minutes at the beginning of each game, during which your team typically falls behind in the score. It's like the clouds have parted and I can finally see the light.
 
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bizzle22 said:
If he has Pharrell Payne and Elijah Hawkins we have the same record?

Again, I’m fine getting outbid by Kentucky or Kansas (that’s not an us problem). It is what it is. But getting outbid by Texas Tech and Texas A&M for basketball players is a big problem, and it’s not a Ben problem. That problem will exist regardless of the head coach.
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The point you’re missing is that it is in fact dependent on the coach. There are plenty of people who aren’t going to contribute NIL $ to a sinking ship with a coach over his skis that has the personality of a wet paper bag. In the new world of NIL, coaches need to add “salesman” to their list of duties. Ben doesn’t sell his program. PJ in contrast has a video team and marketers to make hype videos and create social media content to sell the program not only to recruits, but now to donors. The difference between the football program and the basketball program is night and day, and it starts with the coach.

Not everybody likes PJ, but you cannot deny that he’s out there hustling and busting his ass trying to sell his program. I doubt anybody has ever claimed Ben is doing that.
 

Nice to see Borzello and other talking heads were wrong. Coyle wants to win. He is willing to spend some money this time. Will be fun to see who the next coach is.
 

bga1 said:
Yep- for perspective- Omaha, who we pounded, won the Summit.
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Tucker32 said:
Nice to see Borzello and other talking heads were wrong. Coyle wants to win. He is willing to spend some money this time. Will be fun to see who the next coach is.
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The national media stuff was clearly an orchestrated campaign against what essentially inevitable for most of us.
 

bizzle22 said:
If he has Pharrell Payne and Elijah Hawkins we have the same record?

Again, I’m fine getting outbid by Kentucky or Kansas (that’s not an us problem). It is what it is. But getting outbid by Texas Tech and Texas A&M for basketball players is a big problem, and it’s not a Ben problem. That problem will exist regardless of the head coach.
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TT and A&M have a lot more money than you think, plus alums like to support those schools. Pat Mahomes basically setup TT’s NIL fund and got them a big adidas contract.
 

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