ESPN: What we learned in the Big Ten bowls: "Minnesota is on the way up."

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4. Minnesota is on the way up: The Gophers suffered a heartbreaking loss against Texas Tech in the Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas, where they led 31-24 with less than 90 seconds to play but somehow lost 34-31. Yet the overall takeaway remains a positive one for Jerry Kill's team. After struggling mightily to move the ball down the stretch of the Big Ten season, Minnesota pounded the Red Raiders for 222 rushing yards, while freshman Philip Nelson threw two touchdown passes. Kill must find and develop more wide receivers, but Minnesota showed the physical style the team is capable of when its offensive line is healthy. The Legends Division will be deep in 2013, but the Gophers should continue to make gains.

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Go Gophers!!
 



Some people want it both ways on this board. Want everyone to acknowledge "Minnesota is on the way up" but if someone has an expectation that Kill needs to win 3 conference games in his third year that is asking too much.
 

Some people want it both ways on this board. Want everyone to acknowledge "Minnesota is on the way up" but if someone has an expectation that Kill needs to win 3 conference games in his third year that is asking too much.

+1 I have been firmly on the needing to win 3 BIG games next season train yet some of the most optimistic of fans here bristle at the idea of expecting the team to finish closer to .500 in the conference and act like saying the team needs to win 3 conference games is the same as saying the team has to win the Legends divisoin or Kill should get fired.
 


Some people want it both ways on this board. Want everyone to acknowledge "Minnesota is on the way up" but if someone has an expectation that Kill needs to win 3 conference games in his third year that is asking too much.

"Needs to" or what? He's fired?
 

Maybe he "ought to" win three conference games last year. I certainly expect us to win three or more, though I don't think winning only two would be grounds for dismissal. It's more than a semantic distinction.
 

Maybe he "ought to" win three conference games last year. I certainly expect us to win three or more, though I don't think winning only two would be grounds for dismissal. It's more than a semantic distinction.

But if he won only 2, all it would take would be one "bad loss" in OOC and that's a losing record and no bowl with a relatively experienced team (not in terms of seniors, but in terms of how much PT many of the sophs/jrs have had). If those losses were noncompetitive like Wisc/Neb this year it could be grounds, but not if the games were close.
 

"Needs to" or what? He's fired?

Maybe he "ought to" win three conference games last year. I certainly expect us to win three or more, though I don't think winning only two would be grounds for dismissal. It's more than a semantic distinction.

Yes "needs to" is too strong.

If Kill doesn't get 3 conference wins next I do not think he should be fired. Winning 2 or less conference games next year though IMO would make year 4 rather important for Kill and his staff to get a 5th year.
 



Maybe he "ought to" win three conference games last year. I certainly expect us to win three or more, though I don't think winning only two would be grounds for dismissal. It's more than a semantic distinction.

+1 Exactly - It certainly is important to continue to win more games but it is only one factor in how we should evaluate the program. There is a reason why Kill was give a seven year contract.
 

Kill is a great coach. He's proven that over and over and over and over and over and over and over again at his previous 7 gigs. He's ALWAYS turned his previous teams into better teams. ALWAYS. Not one exception in his 7 previous examples. Even when he led a team to just 1 loss in his 1st year, he STILL improved that team and lost ZERO games the next year. Granted that was his 2 year stint as a high school coach.

But I guess my point is, that being impatient with our fb coaches hasn't gotten us anywhere in the past. Whats his name, that came in after Mason, didn't earn our patience. Mason could have arguably been given more time, we are worse now than we were when he was here, but he may never have been able to get us up over that hump? But we'll never know, now will we? He kept us competitive and interesting and usually fun to watch. His problem was that he succeeded in getting our hopes, and expectations up pretty high, and the huge losses to Michigan and Texas Tech were understandably inexcusable and sometimes you have to suffer to become stronger. It became apparent to the majority that Mason may not have had it within him as a coach, to win a Big Ten Title, much less a Natl Title.
So we chose the path of suffering. We suffered through whats his name, I don't remember, BECAUSE I DON'T CARE TO OR WANT TO.
Now we have suffered through 2 less than incredible years.

But, with Kill, I simply think that he's proven too many times in the past, that he knows what he's doing, he knows how to coach, he knows how to build up a program. He didn't take this Minnesota job as a step to a bigger better job. I honestly think he took this job as his final challenge. And challenging it has been and is going to be.

Minnesota is almost impossible to recruit to and win at. Honestly, I love Minnesota probably too much. I can be a huge homer sometimes. I hate it when people rip on Minnesota, and I defend Minnesota every chance I get, when it deserves being defended.

But one thing I can not defend, is when people say that Minnesota is a horrible job, its a horrible place to recruit for football. The school seemed bound and determined for many years to deemphasize football, and though they did not get rid of it, they sure succeeded in bringing it down into the dumps.
But slowly we've been struggling to get better, despite being one of the worst funded programs in the Big Ten. It doesn't matter that we're better funded than someone like Toledo or Connecticut, if we even are, because we don't compete week in and week out against those lesser funded teams. We compete in the Big Ten, vs teams that, for the most part, have more funding and support than us.
That is slowly changing. We have a stadium now, due in part to Mason's efforts. Thanks Glen!
We were not able to get Tony Dungy to come and coach us, and as much of a Gopher Fan as a I am, I can't even blame the guy. Why do a Bud Wilkinson and risk tarnishing your legendary career when you can retire on top, loved and respested by all? He would have given Minnesota instant credibility, but we couldn't get him. So, could we get Nick Saban?! No, or any already proven coach like him, they would NEVER come here.

So, we have to settle with an up and comer, who does not have instant recognition or credibility. Meaning its going to be much tougher for him to build up our program than a Saban or Dungy. And NOT because he's not as good as them. We simply can not get already well known successful coaches to come here, not for fb at least.

So we HAVE TO BE MORE PATIENT. Kill is a winner. If Kill can't turn us into winners, then maybe we should offer Nick Saban 20 mil a year? That might be what it would take to get a coach like him to come here. He's already had a Big Ten gig and he struggled there. But thats not realistic in any sense.

I honestly think that Kill could almost be our last chance. If we fire him for only winning 2 games in conf, it was hard to get coaches to come here before, it will only get harder and harder and harder.

He's a good game coach, I'm convinced of it. I saw it in his first season here. Give him time to adjust to Big Ten football, give him time to establish relationships with high school coaches, give him time to develop 2 or 3 successive recruiting classes. It's not going to be a quick turnaround like it was for some of his teams. Those were teams at lower levels of play, where coaching could have alot more of an influence. He's at a level now where overall quality, depth, speed, athleticism, etc., are very large factors. And we are more often than not, at a disadvantage against every team we play in conference in this regard.

I think its wrong to put numbers out there, like 2 conf wins or 3 or 4, etc.. Scedules vary, would winning 3 vs Indiana, Maryland and Illinois count as improvement?! See what I'm saying? I'd rather see only 2 wins, but have them be against Wisconsin and Nebraska, or Iowa. Not saying we lose to IU or Maryland, but that they weren't on our scedule that season. And would a 3 point loss to Nebraska or OSU next year not be considered progress?

That is what I want to see, progression as each year goes by. More depth, more speed, more athleticism, better tackling, better execution, better game day decisions, no more blow outs, better competition in the ooc part of the season, etc.. If I see improvement in all of those areas, but because of a tough slate in conf, we only win 2 games next year, I think it would be ridiculous to start putting him on a hot seat, or to start making requirements for year 4.
If it took Kill, on average, 1-3 years to turn those other programs into winners, its going to take 3-6 years for him to turn us into a consistent winner. If we win 3 or 4 conf games next year, GREAT!!!! Then I'd consider him AHEAD of scedule. But that depends, ON the scedule, too. We are going to be adding 2 teams, and soon, maybe another 2, to our scedule, so that will change the way we have to look at things as well. But if we win only 2, but look good all year, meaning fewer blowout losses, better stats all around, etc., then I'll be fine with the job Kill is doing. If it takes him 3 more years to get us to 5-3 in conf, that just might be fine as well. You don't think its going to get easier to win in the Big Ten now with Nebraska and Rutgers in the league and the SEC rubbing it in everyone's faces that they simply are the best and can't be beat, do you?! Wisconsin is not going to accept being mediocre again, they got a taste of success and will want more, same with Iowa. PSU seems to still get good recruits despite their troubles.

I think we need to just accept our sorry lot when it comes to football, and wait patiently for our return to more glorious times. It happened for Notre Dame, but it took a very long time, and they have far more advantages than we do, and they still have a way to go, as we all saw.

The SEC pays the most for their coaches, and can attract the best. Same with Michigan and OSU.

Firing Mason like we did, may have been justified, but it sent a message to the coaches throughout the country, that Minnesota is a place that its not worth the risk to coach there, unless you are an unknown willing to take a chance. Hence, the hiring of Jerry Kill.

Fire him too soon, and its only going to get harder to ever get a capable coach to come here.
 

holy *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# look at this treatise
 

I believe he just took up 1GB of Gopherhole. ^^^
 



Kill is a great coach. He's proven that over and over and over and over and over and over and over again at his previous 7 gigs. He's ALWAYS turned his previous teams into better teams. ALWAYS. Not one exception in his 7 previous examples. Even when he led a team to just 1 loss in his 1st year, he STILL improved that team and lost ZERO games the next year. Granted that was his 2 year stint as a high school coach.

But I guess my point is, that being impatient with our fb coaches hasn't gotten us anywhere in the past. Whats his name, that came in after Mason, didn't earn our patience. Mason could have arguably been given more time, we are worse now than we were when he was here, but he may never have been able to get us up over that hump? But we'll never know, now will we? He kept us competitive and interesting and usually fun to watch. His problem was that he succeeded in getting our hopes, and expectations up pretty high, and the huge losses to Michigan and Texas Tech were understandably inexcusable and sometimes you have to suffer to become stronger. It became apparent to the majority that Mason may not have had it within him as a coach, to win a Big Ten Title, much less a Natl Title.
So we chose the path of suffering. We suffered through whats his name, I don't remember, BECAUSE I DON'T CARE TO OR WANT TO.
Now we have suffered through 2 less than incredible years.

But, with Kill, I simply think that he's proven too many times in the past, that he knows what he's doing, he knows how to coach, he knows how to build up a program. He didn't take this Minnesota job as a step to a bigger better job. I honestly think he took this job as his final challenge. And challenging it has been and is going to be.

Minnesota is almost impossible to recruit to and win at. Honestly, I love Minnesota probably too much. I can be a huge homer sometimes. I hate it when people rip on Minnesota, and I defend Minnesota every chance I get, when it deserves being defended.

But one thing I can not defend, is when people say that Minnesota is a horrible job, its a horrible place to recruit for football. The school seemed bound and determined for many years to deemphasize football, and though they did not get rid of it, they sure succeeded in bringing it down into the dumps.
But slowly we've been struggling to get better, despite being one of the worst funded programs in the Big Ten. It doesn't matter that we're better funded than someone like Toledo or Connecticut, if we even are, because we don't compete week in and week out against those lesser funded teams. We compete in the Big Ten, vs teams that, for the most part, have more funding and support than us.
That is slowly changing. We have a stadium now, due in part to Mason's efforts. Thanks Glen!
We were not able to get Tony Dungy to come and coach us, and as much of a Gopher Fan as a I am, I can't even blame the guy. Why do a Bud Wilkinson and risk tarnishing your legendary career when you can retire on top, loved and respested by all? He would have given Minnesota instant credibility, but we couldn't get him. So, could we get Nick Saban?! No, or any already proven coach like him, they would NEVER come here.

So, we have to settle with an up and comer, who does not have instant recognition or credibility. Meaning its going to be much tougher for him to build up our program than a Saban or Dungy. And NOT because he's not as good as them. We simply can not get already well known successful coaches to come here, not for fb at least.

So we HAVE TO BE MORE PATIENT. Kill is a winner. If Kill can't turn us into winners, then maybe we should offer Nick Saban 20 mil a year? That might be what it would take to get a coach like him to come here. He's already had a Big Ten gig and he struggled there. But thats not realistic in any sense.

I honestly think that Kill could almost be our last chance. If we fire him for only winning 2 games in conf, it was hard to get coaches to come here before, it will only get harder and harder and harder.

He's a good game coach, I'm convinced of it. I saw it in his first season here. Give him time to adjust to Big Ten football, give him time to establish relationships with high school coaches, give him time to develop 2 or 3 successive recruiting classes. It's not going to be a quick turnaround like it was for some of his teams. Those were teams at lower levels of play, where coaching could have alot more of an influence. He's at a level now where overall quality, depth, speed, athleticism, etc., are very large factors. And we are more often than not, at a disadvantage against every team we play in conference in this regard.

I think its wrong to put numbers out there, like 2 conf wins or 3 or 4, etc.. Scedules vary, would winning 3 vs Indiana, Maryland and Illinois count as improvement?! See what I'm saying? I'd rather see only 2 wins, but have them be against Wisconsin and Nebraska, or Iowa. Not saying we lose to IU or Maryland, but that they weren't on our scedule that season. And would a 3 point loss to Nebraska or OSU next year not be considered progress?

That is what I want to see, progression as each year goes by. More depth, more speed, more athleticism, better tackling, better execution, better game day decisions, no more blow outs, better competition in the ooc part of the season, etc.. If I see improvement in all of those areas, but because of a tough slate in conf, we only win 2 games next year, I think it would be ridiculous to start putting him on a hot seat, or to start making requirements for year 4.
If it took Kill, on average, 1-3 years to turn those other programs into winners, its going to take 3-6 years for him to turn us into a consistent winner. If we win 3 or 4 conf games next year, GREAT!!!! Then I'd consider him AHEAD of scedule. But that depends, ON the scedule, too. We are going to be adding 2 teams, and soon, maybe another 2, to our scedule, so that will change the way we have to look at things as well. But if we win only 2, but look good all year, meaning fewer blowout losses, better stats all around, etc., then I'll be fine with the job Kill is doing. If it takes him 3 more years to get us to 5-3 in conf, that just might be fine as well. You don't think its going to get easier to win in the Big Ten now with Nebraska and Rutgers in the league and the SEC rubbing it in everyone's faces that they simply are the best and can't be beat, do you?! Wisconsin is not going to accept being mediocre again, they got a taste of success and will want more, same with Iowa. PSU seems to still get good recruits despite their troubles.

I think we need to just accept our sorry lot when it comes to football, and wait patiently for our return to more glorious times. It happened for Notre Dame, but it took a very long time, and they have far more advantages than we do, and they still have a way to go, as we all saw.

The SEC pays the most for their coaches, and can attract the best. Same with Michigan and OSU.

Firing Mason like we did, may have been justified, but it sent a message to the coaches throughout the country, that Minnesota is a place that its not worth the risk to coach there, unless you are an unknown willing to take a chance. Hence, the hiring of Jerry Kill.

Fire him too soon, and its only going to get harder to ever get a capable coach to come here.

I read it all and it was well said. I agree, Kill needs at least 6 years before we can really assess where this program is at with him.
 

Wow...what a Novel!

I also like Kill and he has shown through his past programs he knows what to do and who to target. I think Kill deserves time to get this program to where it should be.
 


Kill is a great coach. He's proven that over and over and over and over and over and over and over again at his previous 7 gigs. He's ALWAYS turned his previous teams into better teams. ALWAYS. Not one exception in his 7 previous examples. Even when he led a team to just 1 loss in his 1st year, he STILL improved that team and lost ZERO games the next year. Granted that was his 2 year stint as a high school coach.

But I guess my point is, that being impatient with our fb coaches hasn't gotten us anywhere in the past. Whats his name, that came in after Mason, didn't earn our patience. Mason could have arguably been given more time, we are worse now than we were when he was here, but he may never have been able to get us up over that hump? But we'll never know, now will we? He kept us competitive and interesting and usually fun to watch. His problem was that he succeeded in getting our hopes, and expectations up pretty high, and the huge losses to Michigan and Texas Tech were understandably inexcusable and sometimes you have to suffer to become stronger. It became apparent to the majority that Mason may not have had it within him as a coach, to win a Big Ten Title, much less a Natl Title.
So we chose the path of suffering. We suffered through whats his name, I don't remember, BECAUSE I DON'T CARE TO OR WANT TO.
Now we have suffered through 2 less than incredible years.

But, with Kill, I simply think that he's proven too many times in the past, that he knows what he's doing, he knows how to coach, he knows how to build up a program. He didn't take this Minnesota job as a step to a bigger better job. I honestly think he took this job as his final challenge. And challenging it has been and is going to be.

Minnesota is almost impossible to recruit to and win at. Honestly, I love Minnesota probably too much. I can be a huge homer sometimes. I hate it when people rip on Minnesota, and I defend Minnesota every chance I get, when it deserves being defended.

But one thing I can not defend, is when people say that Minnesota is a horrible job, its a horrible place to recruit for football. The school seemed bound and determined for many years to deemphasize football, and though they did not get rid of it, they sure succeeded in bringing it down into the dumps.
But slowly we've been struggling to get better, despite being one of the worst funded programs in the Big Ten. It doesn't matter that we're better funded than someone like Toledo or Connecticut, if we even are, because we don't compete week in and week out against those lesser funded teams. We compete in the Big Ten, vs teams that, for the most part, have more funding and support than us.
That is slowly changing. We have a stadium now, due in part to Mason's efforts. Thanks Glen!
We were not able to get Tony Dungy to come and coach us, and as much of a Gopher Fan as a I am, I can't even blame the guy. Why do a Bud Wilkinson and risk tarnishing your legendary career when you can retire on top, loved and respested by all? He would have given Minnesota instant credibility, but we couldn't get him. So, could we get Nick Saban?! No, or any already proven coach like him, they would NEVER come here.

So, we have to settle with an up and comer, who does not have instant recognition or credibility. Meaning its going to be much tougher for him to build up our program than a Saban or Dungy. And NOT because he's not as good as them. We simply can not get already well known successful coaches to come here, not for fb at least.

So we HAVE TO BE MORE PATIENT. Kill is a winner. If Kill can't turn us into winners, then maybe we should offer Nick Saban 20 mil a year? That might be what it would take to get a coach like him to come here. He's already had a Big Ten gig and he struggled there. But thats not realistic in any sense.

I honestly think that Kill could almost be our last chance. If we fire him for only winning 2 games in conf, it was hard to get coaches to come here before, it will only get harder and harder and harder.

He's a good game coach, I'm convinced of it. I saw it in his first season here. Give him time to adjust to Big Ten football, give him time to establish relationships with high school coaches, give him time to develop 2 or 3 successive recruiting classes. It's not going to be a quick turnaround like it was for some of his teams. Those were teams at lower levels of play, where coaching could have alot more of an influence. He's at a level now where overall quality, depth, speed, athleticism, etc., are very large factors. And we are more often than not, at a disadvantage against every team we play in conference in this regard.

I think its wrong to put numbers out there, like 2 conf wins or 3 or 4, etc.. Scedules vary, would winning 3 vs Indiana, Maryland and Illinois count as improvement?! See what I'm saying? I'd rather see only 2 wins, but have them be against Wisconsin and Nebraska, or Iowa. Not saying we lose to IU or Maryland, but that they weren't on our scedule that season. And would a 3 point loss to Nebraska or OSU next year not be considered progress?

That is what I want to see, progression as each year goes by. More depth, more speed, more athleticism, better tackling, better execution, better game day decisions, no more blow outs, better competition in the ooc part of the season, etc.. If I see improvement in all of those areas, but because of a tough slate in conf, we only win 2 games next year, I think it would be ridiculous to start putting him on a hot seat, or to start making requirements for year 4.
If it took Kill, on average, 1-3 years to turn those other programs into winners, its going to take 3-6 years for him to turn us into a consistent winner. If we win 3 or 4 conf games next year, GREAT!!!! Then I'd consider him AHEAD of scedule. But that depends, ON the scedule, too. We are going to be adding 2 teams, and soon, maybe another 2, to our scedule, so that will change the way we have to look at things as well. But if we win only 2, but look good all year, meaning fewer blowout losses, better stats all around, etc., then I'll be fine with the job Kill is doing. If it takes him 3 more years to get us to 5-3 in conf, that just might be fine as well. You don't think its going to get easier to win in the Big Ten now with Nebraska and Rutgers in the league and the SEC rubbing it in everyone's faces that they simply are the best and can't be beat, do you?! Wisconsin is not going to accept being mediocre again, they got a taste of success and will want more, same with Iowa. PSU seems to still get good recruits despite their troubles.

I think we need to just accept our sorry lot when it comes to football, and wait patiently for our return to more glorious times. It happened for Notre Dame, but it took a very long time, and they have far more advantages than we do, and they still have a way to go, as we all saw.

The SEC pays the most for their coaches, and can attract the best. Same with Michigan and OSU.

Firing Mason like we did, may have been justified, but it sent a message to the coaches throughout the country, that Minnesota is a place that its not worth the risk to coach there, unless you are an unknown willing to take a chance. Hence, the hiring of Jerry Kill.

Fire him too soon, and its only going to get harder to ever get a capable coach to come here.

+1. Wow. That might be the most level headed fair assessment of the football program I have read on here this season. Good work and well stated!
 


Wall of Text Derby

And incomprehensible name passes Wren on the outside and takes the lead in the #posts/#words written Winter Invitational. Incomprehensible name takes a commanding lead, and is charging around the 2nd turn.

I'll bet on the WRendahl's to Win, Place and Show in the Wall of Text Derby.

While I didn't see a prexy B or MACturi reference, this appears to be the same horse with a new name, so I would guess the purse remains in the WRendahl family stable.
 

Wow....I needed probably 8 rum and cokes to read that (partially thanks to an awesome hoops victory over Illinois - SKI-U-MAH!)....but good take.

To keep it short (again, lots of rum)...I really like the direction of the program. Kill emphasis academics...I love it! I think we got a taste of Minnesota football during the bowl game. Like kadskjadskjadskja stated...it's just gonna take patience.
 

WilliamsArenaGuy -- I'm impressed, spot on brother!! I used to go by the moniker, MinnesotaPride.

And to those wondering about my new moniker, its simple, who is #1 in Hockey, cfb(at one time), college baseball(at one time), Collegiate Dance Team competition and Collegiate Debate Team competition. Well, not really Debate Team, but Quiz Bowl team, but hey, you get the idea, right?! lol Well, the Gophers of course!!!!
 

We will see if the program is "on the way up". I think you can point to Kansas pounding Texas Tech in the run game (before the Tech coaching change) and say that maybe that running game performance wasn't so impressive. That's just playing devil's advocate, though I really do think you could make a case either way.

I am amazed that some people don't believe that improving on 2 conference wins shouldn't be considered mandatory in year 3. It's especially strange that many of these same people HATED Brewster and wanted him fired.

I'd think 3 wins and significantly fewer games where the Gophers get completely dominated are minimum benchmarks for year 3. I might be forgetting a game, but I feel like the Gophers were only competitive in 2 or 3 conference games this past season (their 2 wins and MAYBE the Northwestern game where Shortell airmailed guys down at the goal line in an 8 point game).
 


EG#9 - My question to you is this, what do you mean by mandatory? If we only win 2 games in conf next year, are you suggesting that we fire Coach Kill? Or what are you suggesting? I have some ideas or thoughts I could bring up, but I'll wait to see how you respond to what I've asked you already, first.
 

seems like a reasoned summary of our squad. thanks for the find. go gophers!
 

Kill is a great coach. He's proven that over and over and over and over and over and over and over again at his previous 7 gigs. He's ALWAYS turned his previous teams into better teams. ALWAYS. Not one exception in his 7 previous examples. Even when he led a team to just 1 loss in his 1st year, he STILL improved that team and lost ZERO games the next year. Granted that was his 2 year stint as a high school coach.

But I guess my point is, that being impatient with our fb coaches hasn't gotten us anywhere in the past. Whats his name, that came in after Mason, didn't earn our patience. Mason could have arguably been given more time, we are worse now than we were when he was here, but he may never have been able to get us up over that hump? But we'll never know, now will we? He kept us competitive and interesting and usually fun to watch. His problem was that he succeeded in getting our hopes, and expectations up pretty high, and the huge losses to Michigan and Texas Tech were understandably inexcusable and sometimes you have to suffer to become stronger. It became apparent to the majority that Mason may not have had it within him as a coach, to win a Big Ten Title, much less a Natl Title.
So we chose the path of suffering. We suffered through whats his name, I don't remember, BECAUSE I DON'T CARE TO OR WANT TO.
Now we have suffered through 2 less than incredible years.

But, with Kill, I simply think that he's proven too many times in the past, that he knows what he's doing, he knows how to coach, he knows how to build up a program. He didn't take this Minnesota job as a step to a bigger better job. I honestly think he took this job as his final challenge. And challenging it has been and is going to be.

Minnesota is almost impossible to recruit to and win at. Honestly, I love Minnesota probably too much. I can be a huge homer sometimes. I hate it when people rip on Minnesota, and I defend Minnesota every chance I get, when it deserves being defended.

But one thing I can not defend, is when people say that Minnesota is a horrible job, its a horrible place to recruit for football. The school seemed bound and determined for many years to deemphasize football, and though they did not get rid of it, they sure succeeded in bringing it down into the dumps.
But slowly we've been struggling to get better, despite being one of the worst funded programs in the Big Ten. It doesn't matter that we're better funded than someone like Toledo or Connecticut, if we even are, because we don't compete week in and week out against those lesser funded teams. We compete in the Big Ten, vs teams that, for the most part, have more funding and support than us.
That is slowly changing. We have a stadium now, due in part to Mason's efforts. Thanks Glen!
We were not able to get Tony Dungy to come and coach us, and as much of a Gopher Fan as a I am, I can't even blame the guy. Why do a Bud Wilkinson and risk tarnishing your legendary career when you can retire on top, loved and respested by all? He would have given Minnesota instant credibility, but we couldn't get him. So, could we get Nick Saban?! No, or any already proven coach like him, they would NEVER come here.

So, we have to settle with an up and comer, who does not have instant recognition or credibility. Meaning its going to be much tougher for him to build up our program than a Saban or Dungy. And NOT because he's not as good as them. We simply can not get already well known successful coaches to come here, not for fb at least.

So we HAVE TO BE MORE PATIENT. Kill is a winner. If Kill can't turn us into winners, then maybe we should offer Nick Saban 20 mil a year? That might be what it would take to get a coach like him to come here. He's already had a Big Ten gig and he struggled there. But thats not realistic in any sense.

I honestly think that Kill could almost be our last chance. If we fire him for only winning 2 games in conf, it was hard to get coaches to come here before, it will only get harder and harder and harder.

He's a good game coach, I'm convinced of it. I saw it in his first season here. Give him time to adjust to Big Ten football, give him time to establish relationships with high school coaches, give him time to develop 2 or 3 successive recruiting classes. It's not going to be a quick turnaround like it was for some of his teams. Those were teams at lower levels of play, where coaching could have alot more of an influence. He's at a level now where overall quality, depth, speed, athleticism, etc., are very large factors. And we are more often than not, at a disadvantage against every team we play in conference in this regard.

I think its wrong to put numbers out there, like 2 conf wins or 3 or 4, etc.. Scedules vary, would winning 3 vs Indiana, Maryland and Illinois count as improvement?! See what I'm saying? I'd rather see only 2 wins, but have them be against Wisconsin and Nebraska, or Iowa. Not saying we lose to IU or Maryland, but that they weren't on our scedule that season. And would a 3 point loss to Nebraska or OSU next year not be considered progress?

That is what I want to see, progression as each year goes by. More depth, more speed, more athleticism, better tackling, better execution, better game day decisions, no more blow outs, better competition in the ooc part of the season, etc.. If I see improvement in all of those areas, but because of a tough slate in conf, we only win 2 games next year, I think it would be ridiculous to start putting him on a hot seat, or to start making requirements for year 4.
If it took Kill, on average, 1-3 years to turn those other programs into winners, its going to take 3-6 years for him to turn us into a consistent winner. If we win 3 or 4 conf games next year, GREAT!!!! Then I'd consider him AHEAD of scedule. But that depends, ON the scedule, too. We are going to be adding 2 teams, and soon, maybe another 2, to our scedule, so that will change the way we have to look at things as well. But if we win only 2, but look good all year, meaning fewer blowout losses, better stats all around, etc., then I'll be fine with the job Kill is doing. If it takes him 3 more years to get us to 5-3 in conf, that just might be fine as well. You don't think its going to get easier to win in the Big Ten now with Nebraska and Rutgers in the league and the SEC rubbing it in everyone's faces that they simply are the best and can't be beat, do you?! Wisconsin is not going to accept being mediocre again, they got a taste of success and will want more, same with Iowa. PSU seems to still get good recruits despite their troubles.

I think we need to just accept our sorry lot when it comes to football, and wait patiently for our return to more glorious times. It happened for Notre Dame, but it took a very long time, and they have far more advantages than we do, and they still have a way to go, as we all saw.

The SEC pays the most for their coaches, and can attract the best. Same with Michigan and OSU.

Firing Mason like we did, may have been justified, but it sent a message to the coaches throughout the country, that Minnesota is a place that its not worth the risk to coach there, unless you are an unknown willing to take a chance. Hence, the hiring of Jerry Kill.

Fire him too soon, and its only going to get harder to ever get a capable coach to come here.


I agree with everything! Very well said... The bolded part is my favorite and I think the most critical to long term success! We want loyalty from our coaches, we must give loyalty to our coaches! When JK has returned the Golden Gophers to their rightful place on top of the CFB world, he will be able to take great pride and satisfaction from that accomplishment and THAT I believe is what motivates JK every day!
 

I agree with everything! Very well said... The bolded part is my favorite and I think the most critical to long term success! We want loyalty from our coaches, we must give loyalty to our coaches! When JK has returned the Golden Gophers to their rightful place on top of the CFB world, he will be able to take great pride and satisfaction from that accomplishment and THAT I believe is what motivates JK every day!

What in Jerry Kill's background makes you think he is here for the long haul? Every job he has had to this point he has used as a stepping stone to a bigger and better job. What makes anyone honestly believe that if he starts winning here and someone offers him money that the U of M can't hope to match that he won't be on the first bus out of town? I know we don't want to see ourselves as a stepping stone but look at what we pay compared to what some of the others pay and clearly we are not in the same league.

Jerry Kill is 100% commited to the U of M and the U of M is 100% commited to Jerry Kill......right now. Couple more 2 win seasons in the Big Ten and he won't be the coach at Minnesota. Couple of 10 win campaigns at the U of M and he might get some offers that will be really tough to turn down. Bottom line in the world of coaching is the only real certainty we have right now is that Kill will be the head coach for the 2013 season and almost certainly will be the head coach in 2014 as well. Outside of that anything can happen.
 

What in Jerry Kill's background makes you think he is here for the long haul? Every job he has had to this point he has used as a stepping stone to a bigger and better job. What makes anyone honestly believe that if he starts winning here and someone offers him money that the U of M can't hope to match that he won't be on the first bus out of town?

His age and health history. He would need to be really, really successful to have opportunities to leave. Even if he has a chance to leave, he may realize that the stress of a move could trigger his health issues.

Anyways, I will always be much more comfortable with losing a coach to a "better" program than our normal routine of firing a coach for not meeting expectations.
 

What in Jerry Kill's background makes me think he is here for the long haul??

Thats actually a very good question. Although I did like Winnipegopher's response, to be honest his health was not one of the factors in my coming to that idea/conclusion. Honestly, it was simply that Minnesota is not the kind of place someone goes to get a better job. It's more of a longer term project. So that gave me the impression that Jerry Kill wants this job to be a longer term kind of job, because he was willing to go somewhere that was going to take longer to build up.

Also, I guess I didn't think of, or worry about, whether he'd move on to another job if he SUCCEEDED in building us back up. If he succeeds, and takes a better job, then we'll be in a better position to get a higher profile replacement. And although his health issues were not in the forefront of my mind, they may have been in the background of my thinking and I do know that I took into consideration that since this was his 8th gig, and each previous gig was at least 2 years in length, that he's been coaching for at least 16 years, but closer to what? 25-30? So another 5 or so here, and he's going to be getting up there in age. And maybe part of my reason for saying what I did, was just trying to be positive about the whole situation?
 

Getting back to the issue of expectations.

I certainly do not think that the U should mandate a certain # of wins for next year - just too many variables involved. Progress is not only measured in the # of victories - (don't get me wrong- I want to see the U win, but)
-progress involves a lot of intangibles. Is the team showing progress by playing harder, playing smarter, and being more competitive? A 3-point loss to Nebraska in a close, competitive game would show me a lot more than a 30-point win over some non-conference team.

My gut tells me that if the team shows improvement in the intangibles, the victories will follow. How many victories, and how soon? I can't say. I just don't want to lock in the program through some kind of ultimatim, where "if they don't win 3 B1G games this year, Kill has failed." Let's leave that to Reusse and his pals in the media.
 




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