ESPN saying OSU will get in playoff

According the the Big 12 rules, Baylor is the Conference Champion, not TCU and not Co-Champion. The playoff committee has said all along that winning your conference is very important.

I think you can easily make the argument that tOSU is better than Baylor. The four best conference champs are FSU, Alabama, Oregon and tOSU.

yeah and it actually says in their bylaws that this is the way it is so I'm still confused as to how the B12 decided they were co champs. the only way it's considered for rankings that are close is if 3 teams are tied.
 

Not that I agree, but God I b would be pissed if my team won by 50+ and dropped out of the playoffs
 

After tomorrow I have the feeling that the Big12 fan base will have something in common with the Minnesota fan base - hating Becky. If WI plays a bad game and loses by 21, the debate is whether it should be TCU or Baylor as the #4. WI lays and egg and gets totally humiliated by 59 and may have just given OSU what they needed to be #4.
 


I would be shocked if a Big 12 team makes it.

which is really funny b/c the B12 released that they have the strongest conference in their press release. Would be humorous to see they don't get in basically b/c their front office didn't have the stones to declare a champ
 


To me this should be settled by conference championship games.

which is really funny b/c the B12 released that they have the strongest conference in their press release. Would be humorous to see they don't get in basically b/c their front office didn't have the stones to declare a champ
If I were the comittee, I would vote Alabama #1, Oregon #2, FSU#3 and OSU #4. The seperation factor for me is that all four of these teams won there conference championship game, an extra game and risk that the Big 10, ACC, PAC 10, and SEC champions all did and the Big 12 did not. Becaused the Big 12 can't seem to decide if they have co-champions or just one champion and the fact that they both had one not good conference loss, the SOS is what tells me the two Big 12 teams should be left out. They have a weaker non-conference schedule and SOS than OSU and OSU was down to there 3rd string QB and they creamed the #13 team in the country. For me if they do not leave TCU in than OSU should vault them, for me the loss that Baylor had to West Viriginia and the time of year they lost to them keeps them out. That leaves it to TCU and OSU and you could make an equal case for both. The fact that Baylor beat TCU at home by 3 and that Oklahoma the supposed #3 or #4 team in that conference lost to a bad Oklahoma State team tells me that the Big 12 was weak and that that drops them from final four consideration in the end, and Michigan State is likely secure in getting a final or selction 6 bowl game. I say Ohio State deserves the final bid over TCU and Baylor, there win over Wisconsin is more impressive than wins over Iowa State and Kansas State. I know this is subjective buy OSU stopping Wisconsin running back Melvin Gordon the way they did with 71 rushing yards, one of the Heisman finalist, and the fact that the conference the Big 12 cannot decide the conference champion. The Ohio State defense stopping Gordon and Wisconsin having the #2 ranked defense and giving up 52 points, tells me that Ohio State is one of the final four teams contending for the championship at the end of the day.
 

OSU has 1 more win than TCU due to the championship game. That's enough to jump them
 

If OSU makes it as the #4, as I expect them to, get ready for the Big12 fans to ramp up the bashing of Big10 football and trash talking how great the Big12 is and how they got jobbed.
 

OSU has 1 more win than TCU due to the championship game. That's enough to jump them

I agree and the Big 12 better get 2 more teams so they can get that title game. They need to get BYU and the next best team in Texas, perhaps Houston.


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Not that I agree, but God I b would be pissed if my team won by 50+ and dropped out of the playoffs

It's a tough pill to swallow, but in the way people are against FSU for not winning in convincing fashion, it shouldn't be forgotten that TCU has 3 wins of less than 4 points on their record.
 

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Total Wins
Ohio State - 12
TCU - 11
Edge - OSU

Win Percentage
Ohio State - .923
TCU - .917
Edge - OSU

Top 25 Wins
Ohio State - 2, maybe 3, including a Top 10 lock (Michigan State)
TCU - 1, maybe 2 (Minny, but this also counts for OSU)
Edge - OSU

Loss
Ohio State - 2nd game of season, 14-point unranked VA-Tech
TCU - 5th game of season, 3 point loss to Top 6 Baylor
Edge - TCU

Conference Championship
Ohio State - Clear, sole B1G Champions
TCU - Ambiguous, B12 Co-Champions
Edge - OSU
 

Two things.

1) The four-team playoff is doing nothing to settle anything.

2) They picked the wrong year to implement it. Can anyone remember a more balanced year at the top?! The only undefeated team is an afterthought and seems like 6 teams could win the whole thing.
The odd thing is that the BCS, for all the carping, did pick a consensus top two every year. Eight teams would mean using up six bowls, four teams only two - and those two games could be played back to back on a Saturday two weeks from now, before the bowls really get going. They could use any venue but would not be counted as bowls. But whether four, eight or sixteen, there will always be teams left out and arguing their case.
 

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Total Wins
Ohio State - 12
TCU - 11
Edge - OSU

Win Percentage
Ohio State - .923
TCU - .917
Edge - OSU

Top 25 Wins
Ohio State - 2, maybe 3, including a Top 10 lock (Michigan State)
TCU - 1, maybe 2 (Minny, but this also counts for OSU)
Edge - OSU

Loss
Ohio State - 2nd game of season, 14-point unranked VA-Tech
TCU - 5th game of season, 3 point loss to Top 6 Baylor
Edge - TCU

Conference Championship
Ohio State - Clear, sole B1G Champions
TCU - Ambiguous, B12 Co-Champions
Edge - OSU
As a Gopher fan we want TCU to stay in front of Ohio State, that OSU not getting in the final four likely helps our bowl selection situation. I don't see a scenario where OSU plays in Sugar bowl against Alabama, and Orange bowl picks Michigan State that helps us. If we were fortunate enough to not have Michigan State get picked for the Orange bowl and OSU gets in that is best case but the likelihood that Orange bowl is going to take Michigan State seems to be very strong from all of the predictions and media types. I don't want to see the Gophers play in foster farms bowl in San Francisco or Music City bowl In Nashville in those scenarios we will be getting really hosed by the bowl selection comittees. I can definitely see Music City bowl not wanting us there because we have been in that bowl so much.
 



You know it's unfortunate that only 4 can get in. But ironically the Big 12 with the slogan "One true champion" certainly did not seem like that they had one true champion in the end.

If you're going to split hairs, I think the resume for OSU will look better than that of TCU and Baylor tomorrow. First, OSU has 9 wins over likely bowl teams as opposed to 6 for TCU and 5 for Baylor. Second, OSU has 3 wins over teams that *should* be in the Committee's final top-25, all away from home, whereas TCU and Baylor have 2 each since OU should drop out of the top-25). Personally I think the Gophers should move back into the Committee's top-25 and replace Oklahoma - at that point, TCU would have 2 top-25 wins and Baylor 2 as well but all of them at home for both. It isn't close comparing the 3 teams when you look at the quality of wins away from home and of course these playoff games aren't going to be home games for these teams.

I really would have a bone to pick with anyone who thinks TCU's win over the Gophers was better than the one OSU had just by looking at the margins and thinking they don't need to look any deeper in evaluating which team is better - clearly TCU played them when the Gophers were not playing their best ball, at home for TCU and with good weather conditions, and the opposite were all true when OSU played the Gophers.
 


I'm going to enjoy watching TCU dismantle an overrated Oregon team. Having watched a lot of Oregon games this year I don't think they're top 4. The only edge they have on OSU is the Buck's loss to a bad VA tech team but that can and should be viewed in the light of OSU losing its starting QB at the start of the season. The # of top 25 wins etc is a lot of garbage in, garbage out bad data.

By the eye test Alabama, TCU, OSU, and I'll hold my nose and give the nod to FSU.
 

I remember reading that the committee was going to be focused on who truly are the best four teams, not just focusing on record. If that's even remotely true, then:

Oregon
TCU
Alabama
Ohio St.

FSU is clearly not a top 4 team. TCU would beat every ACC team, including FSU by 25+. Same likely goes for OSU.
I think FSU not making the playoff after going 13-0 would be embarrassing for the sport.
 

While OSU looked impressive tonight, remember that their last three conference games were not won in overwhelming fashion. Yes they beat the Gophers by 7 on the road, but they were also losing to Indiana (probably one of the two worst teams in the B1G) at home in the fourth quarter and Michigan had them tied at Ohio Stadium late in the third (and this Wolverine team is one of the poorest Michigan teams in memory).

Wisconsin had absolutely nothing tonight and everyone had pretty much thrown in the towel before the end of the second quarter. Not convinced it was all OSU. Will not be surprised if the Buckeyes do not get a spot.
 

Wisconsin previously had the #2 ranked defense and gave up 59 points to the Buckeyes and had a potential Heisman finalist Gordon rush for 71 yards. Winning conference title games for the final four finalist should matter, because there was risk that they could have all lost these additional championship games. If I was on comittee I would give the nod to OSU Buckeyes, seems like the debate for them is going to be how much weight they put on TCU's win against Minnesota at home and how much they consider the Buckeyes win on the road, strength of schedule for us effects both teams and might be a discussion point, as the ESPN reporter lady already indicated the comittee is talking about both teams wins against Minnesota in debates.
 

I say it will be the Big 12. They need a couple more teams and a conference championship game. TCU vs. Baylor would have been a great game.

That game was played. Baylor won it.
 

It's interesting that the conversation seems to be TCU vs tOSU and not FSU vs tOSU. To me, the committee backed itself in to a corner with its most recent rankings of TCU at 3 and FSU at 4. If you're going to knock a team out of the top four after this weekends games how does a Seminole team that played a competitive game with Georgia Tech keep its position or even improve its seed in the playoffs while the team directly above them wins by 50 and drops out of the playoffs?

Personally, I think Florida State deserves to be in the playoffs. I don't think they are the best team, but they are undefeated for almost two years now. If the defending champion is undefeated and is not in the playoff, the championship is tainted. I think the decision should be between tOSU and TCU, but I never would have dropped an undefeated Florida State team to number four in the first place.
 

That game was played. Baylor won it.

It wasn't a conference championship game... Are you saying if the Gophers would have made the B1G championship game it shouldn't have been played because Ohio State had already beat us during the regular season so they are the champions? (I understand tOSU beat us at home). Basically what you are saying is that Illinois is better than the Gophers because they won the head to head at home.... yah
 

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Total Wins
Ohio State - 12
TCU - 11
Edge - OSU

Win Percentage
Ohio State - .923
TCU - .917
Edge - OSU

Top 25 Wins
Ohio State - 2, maybe 3, including a Top 10 lock (Michigan State)
TCU - 1, maybe 2 (Minny, but this also counts for OSU)
Edge - OSU

Loss
Ohio State - 2nd game of season, 14-point unranked VA-Tech
TCU - 5th game of season, 3 point loss to Top 6 Baylor
Edge - TCU

Conference Championship
Ohio State - Clear, sole B1G Champions
TCU - Ambiguous, B12 Co-Champions
Edge - OSU

One can also argue that even though the Big12 annointed Baylor & TCU as co-champions. In the eyes of the selection committee, they might consider #6 Baylor as the true Big12 champion as they beat TCU in head to head competition. With tOSU at #5, they should be the fourth team in the playoffs.

An eight-team playoff would have quelled some of the controversy. It will also allow independents and non-power five conference teams a better shot at participating in the championship playoffs.

But, there will be controversy with an eight team playoff versus the current four team. At least, you widen the field on consideration.
 

If you breakdown the schedules of Ohio State, Baylor and TCU it isn't close. Ohio State has a much more impressive list.

Some commentators were saying the Big 12 champ should stay above OSU because the conference was stronger top to bottom. BS. OSU played Penn State, Michigan, Illinois and Indiana who are all better than Texas Tech, Iowa State and Kansas.
 

I remember reading that the committee was going to be focused on who truly are the best four teams, not just focusing on record. If that's even remotely true, then:

Oregon
TCU
Alabama
Ohio St.

FSU is clearly not a top 4 team. TCU would beat every ACC team, including FSU by 25+. Same likely goes for OSU.

I have the same 4, but can't imagine FSU not getting in. I just hope whoever plays them does what OSU did to the Badgers.
 

It's interesting that the conversation seems to be TCU vs tOSU and not FSU vs tOSU. To me, the committee backed itself in to a corner with its most recent rankings of TCU at 3 and FSU at 4. If you're going to knock a team out of the top four after this weekends games how does a Seminole team that played a competitive game with Georgia Tech keep its position or even improve its seed in the playoffs while the team directly above them wins by 50 and drops out of the playoffs?

Personally, I think Florida State deserves to be in the playoffs. I don't think they are the best team, but they are undefeated for almost two years now. If the defending champion is undefeated and is not in the playoff, the championship is tainted. I think the decision should be between tOSU and TCU, but I never would have dropped an undefeated Florida State team to number four in the first place.

As noted philosopher Ric Flair said "To be the man, you have to beat the man." I agree that regardless of how FSU has looked winning, they've won and as defending national champions, they should get some measure of lenience. This isn't like the old Boise State or BYU issue when they were undefeated. FSU plays in a good conference, won said conference, and played a solid non-conference schedule. Outside of Jameis being Jameis and Jimbo being Jimbo during the season off the field, I don't see what the issue is.
 

It wasn't a conference championship game... Are you saying if the Gophers would have made the B1G championship game it shouldn't have been played because Ohio State had already beat us during the regular season so they are the champions? (I understand tOSU beat us at home). Basically what you are saying is that Illinois is better than the Gophers because they won the head to head at home.... yah

Difference between Big 12 and Big 10 - Big 12 opponents played all opponents in their conference. Looking back on the season Baylor/TCU was a conference championship game. Baylor played TCU, Baylor beat TCU, you can't punish Baylor for doing this.

Let me say this, I am not an FSU fan at all, but I agree with guy who said it would embarrassing for FSU not to make the playoffs. If you watch any sport, every coach who wins the title says the hardest thing to do is to repeat. You hear it every Sunday that the team who wins the Super Bowl barely makes it back to the playoffs the next year. Every team is gunning for FSU. Every Saturday FSU prevails. I not only think they should be in the playoffs, I think they should be #1.

Bobby Bowden makes a good point when he released this statement, I was a College Track Coach my first year in Coaching.My best Track man was a skinny, long legged sophomore who was our Number one Miler.He won all his events that year in the mile event. Unconquered! His style was unusual because he would lay back in the 'pack' and pace himself until he was 110 yards from the Finnish Line. There, he would start his kick and sprint past every miler in the event and sometimes barely win. He would lag behind the first 330 yards and then attack the field. No matter how ugly It looked, coming from behind, he still placed first and was awarded the Medal.Style didn't count, only the fact that he won. Does this ring a Bell?"
 

Difference between Big 12 and Big 10 - Big 12 opponents played all opponents in their conference. Looking back on the season Baylor/TCU was a conference championship game. Baylor played TCU, Baylor beat TCU, you can't punish Baylor for doing this.

No matter how ugly It looked, coming from behind, he still placed first and was awarded the Medal.Style didn't count, only the fact that he won. Does this ring a Bell?"
TCU's only loss by 3 on the road to a top-ranked team in a game they dominated for 3 quarters then took foot off the gas and let a 21-point 4th quarter lead get away. Hard not to use head-to-head, but I think the committee views it that way and says Baylor's loss was far, far worse.

As for FSU, beating every single one-legged man in the race doesn't make me fast.
 

TCU's only loss by 3 on the road to a top-ranked team in a game they dominated for 3 quarters then took foot off the gas and let a 21-point 4th quarter lead get away...

To play Devil's advocate - this is the opposite of what FSU has done all season. FSU is the only team that doesn't have to explain a loss on their schedule.
 

Difference between Big 12 and Big 10 - Big 12 opponents played all opponents in their conference. Looking back on the season Baylor/TCU was a conference championship game. Baylor played TCU, Baylor beat TCU, you can't punish Baylor for doing this.

No, that makes the Baylor/TCU game "like" a championship game. You can't say "looking back on the season it was a conference championship game". TCU dominated the whole game then lost on a fluke by blowing a 21 point lead VERY late in the game. And that is their only loss which is to a top 10 team on the road. What game did Baylor lose? Was it to a top 10 team?

Again you are basically saying Illinois is better than the Gophers because we lost a close game to them on the road.
 




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