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We really can't judge McQueary yet.

PSU has either kept him around for good reason or bad reason. We just don't have all the facts yet.

For instance, McQueary's eye-witness account of Sandusky and Victim 2 was in 2002. Sandusky's involvement with Victim 1 was during the 2005 to 2008 timeframe. This more recent incident may have spurred the state to prosecute and convene the Grand Jury. The prosecutor may have decided not to prosecute after learning of the 2002 incident (indeed, the state knew of but did not prosecute after the investigation of the prior alleged 1998 incident). The grand jury report only says that nobody from PSU reported the 2002 incident to police -- I'm not so sure that means that the grand jury considered McQueary (then a student) to be an official PSU representative like the AD, VP, or President. Maybe McQueary did report the incident in 2002 and the state was not ready to prosecute (maybe Sandusky had a good alibi; I don't think the state ever knew the identity of Victim 2 either) or maybe McQueary did (repeatedly?) follow up with PSU higher ups and was assured that the authorities were taking care of the situation.

Investigations can take a long time and if the state didn't think the 2002 incident was solid enough to put Sandusky away, it might have been searching for additional evidence between 2002 and 2010 to make an airtight case against Sandusky.

On the other hand, PSU keeping McQueary around could be much more devious -- Say they made a deal with him to keep quiet about other lurid incidents and he'd keep his job, or they are letting him keep his job in exchange for not spilling the beans about all the other crap he knew about or about how he repeatedly told PSU higher ups about the issue and they did nothing. Essentially, this would be the lets-keep-McQueary-around-to-minimize-PSU's-civil/criminal-liability theory.

All I'm saying is there are lots of possibilities relating to McQueary and why he is still on staff (good and bad). It is a mystery for sure. I'm willing to wait and see what the facts are before judging him. That being said, I'm concerned that we haven't heard more from him or PSU about why he is still on staff.
 

50PoundHead said:
I don't want to pick on ESPN too much, but they are obviously so tightly tied to the jockocracy that they won't breathe a word of criticism against much of anyone (unless it's piling on). Of course, they will run a highly-advertised six-hour special about the case after the cows are out of the barn. That station has zero integrity.

No excuse for the others either.
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I appreciate ESPN for all the college football/basketball games they provide me, but otherwise I can't stand it. It's basically the National Enquirer on steroids. Overkill, overanalyze and sensationalize is their modus opernadi (sp?). Sadly, it's working for them.
 

50PoundHead said:
I listened to the Mason/Barreiro interview as well and Mason really sympathized with McQueary and the situation he found himself in. It's easy for any one of us to sit in our throne on Mr. Olympus and say what he should have done or what we would have done, but we weren't there and we weren't in McQueary's situation at that moment in time.

Ideally, he would have put a stop to the situation and confronted Sandusky and been far more clear in his description of what he witnessed to Paterno and the athletic director. As badgergopher has pointed out, he'll live the rest of his life knowing what he failed to do in a critical situation and that while that has to weigh on him heavily, he has to take his share of the blame in not putting an end to Sandusky's web of deceit and pattern of destruction.
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What?! This has nothing to do with sitting on a throne on Mr. (sic) Olympus. He witnessed a 60 year old man raping a ten year old boy, not some recruit getting an envelope full of money that would require him to make some sort of value judgement/decision. This was a fight-or-flight scenario. He was watching a boy being raped by an adult, and the coward fled. That's the culture that existed at JoePa State, concern for the program outweighed even the most basic instincts of right and wrong. His reaction was to run and consult with daddy and JoePa before acting like a human being. I reiterate - all involved should burn in hell.

50PoundHead said:
Mason gave an example of how he handled a somewhat different situation that involved one of his players (this wasn't at Minnesota) and misbehavior toward a female student. The parents of the young woman came to him to register their complaint. He brought in the athletic director and a secretary immediately to witness the complaint and make a record the proceedings at the meeting.
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This is not even close to the same thing. If Mason had witnessed the alleged incident then the comparison is apt.

EDIT - Sorry, I didn't catch the "somewhat different situation" in reference to the Mason incident. I still don't think it's worth mentioning when talking about McQueary.
 

GoGoGophers said:
His reaction was to run and consult with daddy and JoePa before acting like a human being. I reiterate - all involved should burn in hell.
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Get out the pitchforks. I understand your emotional response but we really don't have all the facts on McQueary yet (see my prior post).

If you want to direct your anger toward someone remaining on staff at PSU, how about PSU's general counsel (its attorney), Wendell Courtney. See page 9 of the grand jury report. He knew about the 1998 alleged incident and was at that time and still is also general counsel for Sandusky's non-profit organization -- talk about a conflict of interest.
 

Mason was putting himself--albeit gingerly--in Paterno's (not McQueary's) shoes. His point was that if McQueary gave an accurate account of what he saw, Paterno should have called a meeting immediately to get to the bottom of it and to have that meeting recorded. Instead, Mason felt McQueary was left hanging out to dry.

I'm not defending McQueary's inaction. I just find myself somewhat perplexed at the righteous indignation expressed toward McQueary. There's a lot of folks (and this isn't aimed at you gogogophers) who are "tigers in the locker room and pussy-cats on the court" when it comes to life and I imagine that more than a few self-appointed brave souls here would have acted similarly to McQueary.

What I am saying is that for all of the bluster, none of us knows what we would have done in that situation because we don't have McQueary's eyes. We don't know what he saw or how he could have intervened and thus we don't know what we would have done. We simply don't know, so for any of us to conjecture as to what McQueary's actual experience was given the sanitized language of the grand jury proceedings comes off as a bit hollow.

I think everyone agrees that this is tragic, heinous, and that all those who have contributed to the atmosphere that allowed these crimes and the subsequent cover-up should be punished to the full extent of the law. Beyond that, apportioning blame for not meeting responsibility (except for Sandusky) is less straightforward.
 


Tubtastic said:
Get out the pitchforks. I understand your emotional response but we really don't have all the facts on McQueary yet (see my prior post).

If you want to direct your anger toward someone remaining on staff at PSU, how about PSU's general counsel (its attorney), Wendell Courtney. See page 9 of the grand jury report. He knew about the 1998 alleged incident and was at that time and still is also general counsel for Sandusky's non-profit organization -- talk about a conflict of interest.
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We know enough of the facts. He saw Sandusky having sex with a child. If he had to tell 50 different people about what happened before someone would listen, then he should have. It's that simple. He might have been threatened that he may lose his job or even physical harm. It shouldn't matter, you had to tell someone and stop it. He's a complete coward in my books. If he was my position coach, there's no way I could look him in the eye.
 

GophersInIowa said:
We know enough of the facts. He saw Sandusky having sex with a child. If he had to tell 50 different people about what happened before someone would listen, then he should have. It's that simple. He might have been threatened that he may lose his job or even physical harm. It shouldn't matter, you had to tell someone and stop it. He's a complete coward in my books. If he was my position coach, there's no way I could look him in the eye.
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Again, you assume he didn't do something about it without knowing all the facts. If he was told by PSU admistration that the authorities were altered and were investigating what else would he do. The grand jury report was not clear that he didn't himself report the incident to the authorities. He may have been working with the authorities for years.

Don't get me wrong it certainly appears bad for him now, but we also have no idea about his underlying story, involvement with authorities, and why he is still on staff.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Outside of Sandusky himself, McQueary is the person most responsible for this whole mess.

He should've been fired before anyone.

But he's not a big name, so they wouldn't get the big PR splash by canning the WR coach.
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That's tough to say at this point. If people at psu had been covering up things since the 90s, those people are MUCH more responsible than a 28 year old who reported to his boss what he saw/heard.
 

Regarding McQuery. ...

There are reports he broke up a "player-related knife fight in a campus dining hall" at some point during his tenure, but yet. ...

He couldn't even (A) yell something at Sandusky, such as, "Hey, what are you doing? Get away from that boy."

Or better yet, (B) beat the living snot out of Sandusky or (C) call 911 immediately. That's 3 better options I can think of, right there.

Sorry, I don't have much empathy for him, but as others have said, he will have to live with it, as will JoePa.
 




You all need to watch something for perspective.

So many of you are simply feeding from the media hysteria.

Step back and think hard about what you're saying before being such an internet "tough guy". This "tough guy," Todd Ritchies, who experienced Sandusky often first-hand, has some brains to go along with braun:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/s...ouldnt-discuss-inquiry.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1


The only thing anyone should be questioning McQueary on is why he didn't do more months, maybe years later, after Sandusky and continued to cross paths (supposedly, anyway) on campus. His actions that day (and lack of further actions) and for a significant time thereafter, however, are completely forgiveable.
 

Thanks to both of you for posting those links. Nice story on Governor Corbett.
 

Tubtastic said:
Again, you assume he didn't do something about it without knowing all the facts. If he was told by PSU admistration that the authorities were altered and were investigating what else would he do. The grand jury report was not clear that he didn't himself report the incident to the authorities. He may have been working with the authorities for years.

Don't get me wrong it certainly appears bad for him now, but we also have no idea about his underlying story, involvement with authorities, and why he is still on staff.
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He saw a 55-60 year old raping a 10 year old with his own eyes and saw the 55-60 year old on campus for the next nine years. What more do you need to know?

You don't work with investigators for nine years on your eyewitness account even without the 1998 accusations. It was buried/covered up and he was smack dab in the middle of it.
 



Maximus said:
He saw a 55-60 year old raping a 10 year old with his own eyes and saw the 55-60 year old on campus for the next nine years. What more do you need to know?

You don't work with investigators for nine years on your eyewitness account even without the 1998 accusations. It was buried/covered up and he was smack dab in the middle of it.
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Like I said, if he had been cooperating with authorities and the authorities had decided not to charge Sandusky based solely on McQueary's testimony, McQueary has limited options. Run to the media and tell what he saw potentially blowing the whole investigation and allowing Sandusky to survive charges?

We just don't know yet -- Again, I agree that McQueary looks very bad but something is going on that we don't know about as to why he is still employed at PSU.
 

MM put on indefinite administrative leave as reported by interm PSU prez Rodney Erickson
 

maliksealy said:
MM put on indefinite administrative leave as reported by interm PSU prez Rodney Erickson
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Thanks for the update. Hopefully this isn't an effort on PSU's behalf to muzzle him further (should he know additional bad information). My suspicion is not so much that McQueary might be able to clear his name once the facts are known, I wonder if he has more dirt that could further damage PSU and PSU might be trying to keep him around and not piss him off. What's the saying? Keep your friends close and enemies even closer?
 

Tubtastic said:
Like I said, if he had been cooperating with authorities and the authorities had decided not to charge Sandusky based solely on McQueary's testimony, McQueary has limited options. Run to the media and tell what he saw potentially blowing the whole investigation and allowing Sandusky to survive charges?

We just don't know yet -- Again, I agree that McQueary looks very bad but something is going on that we don't know about as to why he is still employed at PSU.
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Authorities were never contacted following the 2002 rape.

Penn State officials just told him to rape children somewhere off campus, not in their locker room.

In 2008 "victim 1" alerts authorities and the investigation begins.
 

Maximus said:
Authorities were never contacted following the 2002 rape.
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Maximus - With all due respect, this is an area where I think the media has dropped the ball and the story is unclear. The grand jury report only states that PSU never contacted the authorities regarding the 2002 rape. After reading the report, I'm not convinced the report considers then student McQueary to be a representative of PSU. I think the grand jury is referring to the AD, president, Paterno, etc.

Maximus said:
In 2008 "victim 1" alerts authorities and the investigation begins.
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All this suggests is that the instant investigation began in 2008 -- as I mentioned before, the state may have decided not to pursue the 2002 incident for a variety of reasons without addition evidence to have an airtight prosecution of Sandusky. The state learned about McQueary's incident at some point -- we just don't know whether that was before or after the 2008 incident.
 

Tubtastic said:
After reading the report, I'm not convinced the report considers then student McQueary to be a representative of PSU.
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He was also a coach. I don't know how they wouldn't consider him a representative of PSU. He got to go to school for free for being a coach. That's essentially a paid assistant in my book.
 

GophersInIowa said:
He was also a coach. I don't know how they wouldn't consider him a representative of PSU. He got to go to school for free for being a coach. That's essentially a paid assistant in my book.
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That is a very interesting point and I'm sure McQueary has a lawyer working on that right now. I agree that it would be hard for him to avoid being classified as an agent of PSU at some level.
 

SelectionSunday said:
Regarding McQuery. ...

There are reports he broke up a "player-related knife fight in a campus dining hall" at some point during his tenure, but yet. ...

He couldn't even (A) yell something at Sandusky, such as, "Hey, what are you doing? Get away from that boy."

Or better yet, (B) beat the living snot out of Sandusky or (C) call 911 immediately. That's 3 better options I can think of, right there.

Sorry, I don't have much empathy for him, but as others have said, he will have to live with it, as will JoePa.
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I am in total agreement. He was the only one who had the opportunity to help this kid when he needed it most. Total failure of character on the part of McQuery.
 

McQuerry witnessed a rape in action; what person doesn't call the police? A 28 year old ga looking for a paying gig. McQuerry will be fired and possible brought up on charges if someone plea bargains and tells on his sorry ass.
 

Latest from ESPN is that McQueary actually did do something to stop the rape. Evidently, he is starting to speak out.
 

If McQueary is protected by a whistleblower law then his job will be safe until Penn State hires a new permanent FB coach, at which point all the assistants will be in a position to be let go as the new man brings in his own people. From the PSU board's viewpoint it's probably the cleanest solution to a very messy problem.
 

Tubtastic said:
Latest from ESPN is that McQueary actually did do something to stop the rape. Evidently, he is starting to speak out.
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Now that is going to be one heckuva press conference.

It was brought to my attention yesterday that the judge who was extremely lenient with Sandusky's bond/pre-trial situation had connections to his non-profit. How the heck does that happen?
 

Tubtastic said:
Latest from ESPN is that McQueary actually did do something to stop the rape. Evidently, he is starting to speak out.
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People who jumped all over McQueary failed to realize that the grand jury report wasn't a book that flushed out every last detail...it was meant to provide as much information as needed to bring charges against Sandusky. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt it is the person who reported the crime.
 

My only question on McQueary--and don't take this as a judgment on him as he does deserve the benefit of the doubt--is why did he stick around Penn State after his grad assistant gig was completed? It had to be brutal to have this in the back of your mind every day.
 

50PoundHead said:
My only question on McQueary--and don't take this as a judgment on him as he does deserve the benefit of the doubt--is why did he stick around Penn State after his grad assistant gig was completed? It had to be brutal to have this in the back of your mind every day.
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Agree. In my opinion, WAY too much attention is being put on what McQueary did 'at the time'. This would be an incredibly traumatic experience, and no one really knows how they'd react. Some might just freak out and run, some might freak out and beat the crap out of Sandusky, some might freak out and do something else altogether. All I think can be said is that at the moment, we'd all be freaked out if we stumbled across the rape of a child by one of our superiors.

The inexcusable part, and where attention should be focused, is on what happened later? How could McQueary lay in bed at night days, weeks, months, and years later and live with himself? He had to see Sandusky around campus, and he does nothing? That's the part I just cannot reconcile, and even if it turns out that McQueary ran into the shower room and popped Sandusky in the jaw I can't overlook his inaction in the period following.
 

tato, there's the old saying that "you can't say 'no' with your mouth full of steak" and although the steak is metaphorical here, it holds to some degree. From the outside--and again we haven't heard McQueary's story--it looks like he was bought off with an on-going position (complete with promotions) on the PSU coaching staff.

Sounds completely cynical on my part (and perhaps it is at a level), but I can hardly wait to see the ABC news special on this. This is a trainwreck in which the human costs are staggering.
 


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