ESPN releases new rankings of 2011 recruits

Yep I agree with you Goldy in da House and oleboy41, I should have inserted "great" in there on my post, neglected it.
 

I am not convinced you can build a great team around one and done players, as good as Sullinger is. Matta is a good coach, so I'm surprised he is interested in that approach.

Are you sure about that?
 

Matta's a great recruiter and I've always thought of him as a mediocre coach, but I'm not so sure anymore. He won the B10 with 6 players last year and previously took a team full of freshmen to the title game.
 

Matta's a great recruiter and I've always thought of him as a mediocre coach, but I'm not so sure anymore. He won the B10 with 6 players last year and previously took a team full of freshmen to the title game.

He's one of the Top 10-15 coaches in Div I and one of the very best (Top 3-5) YOUNGER (10 yrs or less) coaches.
 

His recruiting is pretty incredible considering Valu City Arena rarely sells out. I will give him that. I don't have every D-1 coach ranked in my head like FOT probably does but I'd probably put him just outside the top 25 overall. That, admittedly, is a very subjective ranking by me. Maybe I'm just bitter because I picked OSU to win it all last year in my bracket. Although they only had six guys, they had six very good guys last year. They definitely underachieved in the tournament. Underachievement falls on the coach.
 


His recruiting is pretty incredible considering Valu City Arena rarely sells out. I will give him that. I don't have every D-1 coach ranked in my head like FOT probably does but I'd probably put him just outside the top 25 overall. That, admittedly, is a very subjective ranking by me. Maybe I'm just bitter because I picked OSU to win it all last year in my bracket. Although they only had six guys, they had six very good guys last year. They definitely underachieved in the tournament. Underachievement falls on the coach.

NCAA.org ranks Div I coaches by career W-L (%) record.

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/DIMBBcoaches.pdf

DB Woerner ranks them by W-L (%) in NCAA tourney games.

http://dbwoerner.com/basketball/coaches/coach110.html

I use both together for an estimate of their overall ranking. Matta is 9th overall and 13th in NCAA games. Tubby is 16th overall and 11th in NCAA games. I put both in Top 10-15 range.
 

I like building a program with multiple top 100 type players, I think it leads to more options and a more diverse team rather than with one or two big time guys and a bunch of guys standing around watching. Recruit 2-4 top 100's every year and hope 1 or 2 of them really develop, and you are looking at a good strong program with some staying power.

dude, look at UW for evidence that refutes your theory.
 


I like building a program with multiple top 100 type players, I think it leads to more options and a more diverse team rather than with one or two big time guys and a bunch of guys standing around watching. Recruit 2-4 top 100's every year and hope 1 or 2 of them really develop, and you are looking at a good strong program with some staying power.

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what MSU does. They usually have fairly small class sizes but get mostly top-100 players. I sure hope Tubby can get a couple top-100 guys every year. Hollins moving into the top-100 after committing kind of disproves the "they only move up the guys who haven't committed" argument, doesn't it?
 






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