Doogie's The Scoops: Two NCAA wins needed for Tubby Smith to feel safe at 'U'?

[BleedGopher]

per Doogie:

So, why is there a faction of boosters -- even more upset after recruit Gavin Schilling chose Michigan State on Wednesday -- working diligently to boot coach Tubby Smith?

One booster unconnected to that group says Smith has to win two games this weekend to feel safe.

The new regime, led by athletic director Norwood Teague and senior associate athletic director Mike Ellis, have deferred all inquiries on Smith's future until after the season.

• Sources said this week the buzz among the coaching community is assistants Vince Taylor and Ron Jirsa have expressed interest in the vacant Drake job. Another member of the Gophers' staff was a finalist for the Hamline job. Are they just looking for a promotion, or do they realize that the situation is sinking?

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/...eeded_for_Tubby_Smith_to_feel_safe_at_U032213

Go Gophers!!

 

[bemidjigopher]

Taylor and Jirsa have been in the mix in the past for jobs and Drake would be a pretty good first gig.

 

[THE SCOUT!]

Amazing that people worship at the Shrine of doogie enough to continually post is BS here

 

[Dr.Don]

Amazing that people worship at the Shrine of THE SCOUT enough to continually reply to his BS here

Fixed.

 

[mkAz]

Mark Rosen said basically the same thing on KFAN a day or two ago. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

 

[Blackhammer]

Why would anyone hire any of his assistants?

 

[GopherGod]

Why would anyone hire any of his assistants?

He definitely doesn't have much of a coaching tree, more like a stump.

 

[station19]

He definitely doesn't have much of a coaching tree, more like a stump.

That is very true. Kind of scary.

 

[howieramone]

per Doogie:

So, why is there a faction of boosters -- even more upset after recruit Gavin Schilling chose Michigan State on Wednesday -- working diligently to boot coach Tubby Smith?

One booster unconnected to that group says Smith has to win two games this weekend to feel safe.

The new regime, led by athletic director Norwood Teague and senior associate athletic director Mike Ellis, have deferred all inquiries on Smith's future until after the season.

• Sources said this week the buzz among the coaching community is assistants Vince Taylor and Ron Jirsa have expressed interest in the vacant Drake job. Another member of the Gophers' staff was a finalist for the Hamline job. Are they just looking for a promotion, or do they realize that the situation is sinking?

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/...eeded_for_Tubby_Smith_to_feel_safe_at_U032213

Go Gophers!!

Really? I was personally more upset when the Twins lost Wally the Beerman.

 

[howeda7]

Really? I was personally more upset when the Twins lost Wally the Beerman.

Lol. We lost a recruit from Illinois/Nevada to the most successful B1G program of this century. How can you not be outraged?

 

[HOOP DREAMS]

Mark Rosen said basically the same thing on KFAN a day or two ago. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

As much as I enjoy Rosen, I don't believe he is very plugged in to the UofM. That being said, Tubby still has some work to do to keep his job. Great convincing win tonight gophers!

 

[howeda7]

As much as I enjoy Rosen, I don't believe he is very plugged in to the UofM. That being said, Tubby still has some work to do to keep his job. Great convincing win tonight gophers!

It takes some onions to fire a coach after making the NCAA's, much less winning a game. If we're doing that, we better have an ace in the hole. Don't think I'd pull that trigger.

 

[Johnnyboy18]

If he gets fired after this year Norwood would be killed not by just the national media but also by all the coaches in the Big Ten I hope Norwood isn't stupid and waits until next year.

 

[EG#9]

If he gets fired after this year Norwood would be killed not by just the national media but also by all the coaches in the Big Ten I hope Norwood isn't stupid and waits until next year.

This is a really, really dumb reason not to make a move. If you don't believe in the direction of the program, then you make a move. One win over that UCLA team doesn't wipe away what we've seen since early January. The reason the boosters are upset over Gavin Schilling choosing MSU is because we have a gaping hole at PF for next season and Tubby already missed out on Washington, Hayes, and Brown. This was a need that should have been filled in a prior class because nobody knew Trevor would get a sixth year, so a starting quality PF has been a need for 2-3 recruiting classes now. It's the same thing (to a lesser degree) at PG, where we're looking at Maverick being the backup option again next season.

 

[Johnnyboy18]

This is a really, really dumb reason not to make a move. If you don't believe in the direction of the program, then you make a move. One win over that UCLA team doesn't wipe away what we've seen since early January. The reason the boosters are upset over Gavin Schilling choosing MSU is because we have a gaping hole at PF for next season and Tubby already missed out on Washington, Hayes, and Brown. This was a need that should have been filled in a prior class because nobody knew Trevor would get a sixth year, so a starting quality PF has been a need for 2-3 recruiting classes now. It's the same thing (to a lesser degree) at PG, where we're looking at Maverick being the backup option again next season.

Doesn't matter what you think it matters what the A.D. thinks.

 

[EG#9]

Doesn't matter what you think it matters what the A.D. thinks.

Are you the A.D.? If so we're definitely screwed.

 

[howeda7]

This is a really, really dumb reason not to make a move. If you don't believe in the direction of the program, then you make a move. One win over that UCLA team doesn't wipe away what we've seen since early January. The reason the boosters are upset over Gavin Schilling choosing MSU is because we have a gaping hole at PF for next season and Tubby already missed out on Washington, Hayes, and Brown. This was a need that should have been filled in a prior class because nobody knew Trevor would get a sixth year, so a starting quality PF has been a need for 2-3 recruiting classes now. It's the same thing (to a lesser degree) at PG, where we're looking at Maverick being the backup option again next season.

It matters if you get ripped to shred in the national media for firing a guy for 'only' getting to the round of 32, something that hardly ever happens, and then end up hiring Ben Jacobsen.

 

[EG#9]

It matters if you get ripped to shred in the national media for firing a guy for 'only' getting to the round of 32, something that hardly ever happens, and then end up hiring Ben Jacobsen.

You're smarter than that, right? Tubby wouldn't be fired for "only" getting to the round of 32, he'd be fired for being at Minnesota 6 years and never finishing above .500 in the conference including badly underachieving in conference play the past 3 seasons. If Minnesota was in Georgetown's spot (winning the Big East, losing in the round of 64), nobody would think the right move would be to get rid of Tubby Smith. If Minnesota was in Wisconsin's spot (overachieving in the Big Ten, losing in the round of 64), nobody would think the right move would be to get rid of Tubby Smith. Ben Jacobsen is not even on the radar, but even if he was, whose to say he wouldn't do better than Tubby Smith? Fran McCaffery (who Iowa hired after a bunch of very mediocre options turned them down) has outperformed Tubby in conference play for two consecutive seasons with less talent on the floor. The scary thing is, Fran will have the more talented team next year.

 

[Johnnyboy18]

You're smarter than that, right? Tubby wouldn't be fired for "only" getting to the round of 32, he'd be fired for being at Minnesota 6 years and never finishing above .500 in the conference including badly underachieving in conference play the past 3 seasons. If Minnesota was in Georgetown's spot (winning the Big East, losing in the round of 64), nobody would think the right move would be to get rid of Tubby Smith. If Minnesota was in Wisconsin's spot (overachieving in the Big Ten, losing in the round of 64), nobody would think the right move would be to get rid of Tubby Smith. Ben Jacobsen is not even on the radar, but even if he was, whose to say he wouldn't do better than Tubby Smith? Fran McCaffery (who Iowa hired after a bunch of very mediocre options turned them down) has outperformed Tubby in conference play for two consecutive seasons with less talent on the floor. The scary thing is, Fran will have the more talented team next year.

30% chance he gets fired and it's shrinking.

 

[XMan]

Tubby is not going to get fired. If he would have been blown off the court, there would be talk, but my thoughts are he will coach next year. 95% confident in that.

 

[howeda7]

You're smarter than that, right? Tubby wouldn't be fired for "only" getting to the round of 32, he'd be fired for being at Minnesota 6 years and never finishing above .500 in the conference including badly underachieving in conference play the past 3 seasons. If Minnesota was in Georgetown's spot (winning the Big East, losing in the round of 64), nobody would think the right move would be to get rid of Tubby Smith. If Minnesota was in Wisconsin's spot (overachieving in the Big Ten, losing in the round of 64), nobody would think the right move would be to get rid of Tubby Smith. Ben Jacobsen is not even on the radar, but even if he was, whose to say he wouldn't do better than Tubby Smith? Fran McCaffery (who Iowa hired after a bunch of very mediocre options turned them down) has outperformed Tubby in conference play for two consecutive seasons with less talent on the floor. The scary thing is, Fran will have the more talented team next year.

Yes, I get it's about his overall body of work. I'm not thrilled. No one is. I'm simply saying the list of coaches who get fired after making the NCAA tournament is short. The list who get fired after winning a game is downright tiny. I can't even think of an example at the moment.

You're asking Minnesota to do something that just doesn't happen. UCLA may pull the trigger on Howland. But if they'd won? Who knows. And we're not UCLA.

 

[figi]

I don't pretend to have the b-ball knowledge to judge Tubby's ability as a coach. But I have to agree with those who say the record speaks for itself.

First,Tubby has not been able to keep the Gopher's out of 2nd division in the BT. Second when he came here we all hoped that he would be able to attract highly rated national talent to Minnesota. That has not happened either. Finally the fact the he won today does not change the fact that he has been one and out four time in the dance.

I don't know if he should be fired. I hate to see that happen to anyone. But, I can't help hoping that there is some coach out there that can end this "also ran" tread mill we are on.

 

[ethomasp31]

I don't pretend to have the b-ball knowledge to judge Tubby's ability as a coach. But I have to agree with those who say the record speaks for itself.

First,Tubby has not been able to keep the Gopher's out of 2nd division in the BT. Second when he came here we all hoped that he would be able to attract highly rated national talent to Minnesota. That has not happened either. Finally the fact the he won today does not change the fact that he has been one and out four time in the dance.

I don't know if he should be fired. I hate to see that happen to anyone. But, I can't help hoping that there is some coach out there that can end this "also ran" tread mill we are on.

You shouldn't pretend you have much knowledge of Tubby's record at Minnesota either. He's lost in the first round of the tournament twice at Minnesota, not four times.

 

[THE SCOUT!]

Some Jerks like to stir the pot with absurd threads like this. The "boosters" are really freaked out about losing a rivals 3 star recruit from Nevada! really is Doogie a mindless scarecrow or just a sh*t starter. Last year Tubby takes a injured team to NIT finals , this year a team projected 7th in Big Ten preseason polls to the Final 32. Ofcourse not to mention Tubby has been nurturing a relationship with Tyus, Rashad, and Reid, and the fact He just got a contract extension under Teague. This is one of the dumbest threads ever by the Bleed Gopher and Doogie Tandem

 

[station19]

Tubby is not going to get fired. If he would have been blown off the court, there would be talk, but my thoughts are he will coach next year. 95% confident in that.

There already has been plenty of talk.

 

[Bad Gopher]

I'm not comfortable with any decision being made based on one game, one way or the other. It has to be the body of work and up-close evaluation of the guy's day-to-day work. That's the thing most on here don't take into account. Teague has been able to watch this staff work with his own two eyes on an everyday basis if he wants and compare them to other staffs he's been able to observe, if you know what I mean. If Tubby and Co. compare favorably in that equation, he will be here next year.

 

[station19]

I'm not comfortable with any decision being made based on one game, one way or the other. It has to be the body of work and up-close evaluation of the guy's day-to-day work. That's the thing most on here don't take into account. Teague has been able to watch this staff work with his own two eyes on an everyday basis if he wants and compare them to other staffs he's been able to observe, if you know what I mean. If Tubby and Co. compare favorably in that equation, he will be here next year.

Exactly.

 

[hungan1]

I'm not comfortable with any decision being made based on one game, one way or the other. It has to be the body of work and up-close evaluation of the guy's day-to-day work. That's the thing most on here don't take into account. Teague has been able to watch this staff work with his own two eyes on an everyday basis if he wants and compare them to other staffs he's been able to observe, if you know what I mean. If Tubby and Co. compare favorably in that equation, he will be here next year.

Had the Gophers won two more games they should've won, at Wisky at Neb in particular, the tone would be different among the fan dome.

If we are to let Tubby walk, better get a fat checkbook out. Not only do we have to pay for a tidy buyout, we also need to plunk down mucho dinero to attract a upper tier proven coach.

 

[THE SCOUT!]

tons of top tier proven coaches will give up their current job to coach the gophers where a Very successful coach Tubby ends up failing at

 

[Rouser]

This is a really, really dumb reason not to make a move. If you don't believe in the direction of the program, then you make a move. One win over that UCLA team doesn't wipe away what we've seen since early January. The reason the boosters are upset over Gavin Schilling choosing MSU is because we have a gaping hole at PF for next season and Tubby already missed out on Washington, Hayes, and Brown. This was a need that should have been filled in a prior class because nobody knew Trevor would get a sixth year, so a starting quality PF has been a need for 2-3 recruiting classes now. It's the same thing (to a lesser degree) at PG, where we're looking at Maverick being the backup option again next season.

Tubby has plenty of faults.. but he has plenty of strengths. Its obviously, like GopherPlaya, lots of folks on this board hate him.. at the end of the day, I would love to have a coach that wins the BT and makes the NCAA tourney on a regular basis. So far, Tubby has not done much in the BT. However, his NCAA track record is pretty much ahead of any other former Gopher coach (3 appearances and now, perhaps a run). If we beat Florida, I guess I want to ask folks what it is that they want. Tourney success or BT success. Obviously both would be great, but right now, Michigan St, Indy and Ohio St have the only programs in the BT with a track record of that. Wisky is close behind, but typically only make one round, less this year. I agree, that recruiting is worrisome of late, but part of that is due to the two year dry spell, Clem had the same ups and downs. I think we beat Florida, that is going to greatly help recruiting for the big class.

At the end of the day, I want tourney success, that is all that matters. Tubby has as good a track record at that than anyone we have had at coach..which is pretty eye opening about Minnesota's futility at hoops..even though folks like to somehow paint the Clem years like we were Duke or something.

If Teague makes a move, I am behind him 100%, but I certainly would not have a problem with Tubby if he returns next year. I realize I am in the minority but I base my opinion on how much fun I have had as a gopher fan over the past 15 years. I have received far more enjoyment with Tubby at the helm than I have in any Gopher year, excluding the final four run. Is there room for improvement. YES. I think we should be in the tourney every year. But I wouldn't pay premium money and travel to watch the team (which I do quite a bit) if I didn't enjoy the team. Now, I realize lots of folks would rather go through life with a bowl of pissed on cheerios, but not me.

Now, I also see room for improvement. More consistent recruiting. Choosing players who fit your tough love style, etc. If Teague has an exit/season ending interviews with every player and they all piss and moan about Tubby, then sure, lets move on.. as there is no point. If we would have crapped our pants against UCLA, I would have changed my tune. No, one game does not decide everything, but making a run is important and Tubby is past due for one. I would agree that middle of the pack BT results and zero tourney runs are cause for getting rid of him.

I guess my torch and pitchfork will collect dust for one more week in the basement.

I soo cannot wait for Barnburner's predictable reply...