Doogie: The job that could take Tubby is Maryland

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Seriously get some new material. This schtick about tubby leaving is the sports version of carrot top.
 

It's amazing that so few people have a voice in the Twin Cities media that actually view the Minnesota job as a good one. The "not making the tournament" 3 straight years comment by Doogie is a pretty arbitrary statement. Adding in his favorite 6-0 against Iowa disclaimer just further illustrates my point. If Tubby had losses to Iowa on his record, then the line would just be that Tubby has always found a way to lose to the conferences worst programs in Iowa and Indiana.
 

EG#9 said:
It's amazing that so few people have a voice in the Twin Cities media that actually view the Minnesota job as a good one. The "not making the tournament" 3 straight years comment by Doogie is a pretty arbitrary statement. Adding in his favorite 6-0 against Iowa disclaimer just further illustrates my point. If Tubby had losses to Iowa on his record, then the line would just be that Tubby has always found a way to lose to the conferences worst programs in Iowa and Indiana.
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Honestly, how do you rate the MN job? In reality, it is probably the 7th or 8th best job in the B10? Not ripping, just wondering? I would put it above NW, PSU, and Iowa...
 



gopherbadgerman said:
Honestly, how do you rate the MN job? In reality, it is probably the 7th or 8th best job in the B10? Not ripping, just wondering? I would put it above NW, PSU, and Iowa...
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Top 30 job nationally. Somewhere between 3-7 in the Big 10. Indiana is still #1 and MSU is clearly #2.

Purdue, Illinois, MN, Wisconsin and OSU are all on about the same level over the long-term. Capable of making a Final Four/winning the conference (all have done one/both in the last 15 years), but not able to do so often or consistently. OSU and Bucky are better in recent times, but are football schools at heart.
 

howeda7 said:
Top 30 job nationally. Somewhere between 3-7 in the Big 10. Indiana is still #1 and MSU is clearly #2.

Purdue, Illinois, MN, Wisconsin and OSU are all on about the same level over the long-term. Capable of making a Final Four/winning the conference (all have done one/both in the last 15 years), but not able to do so often or consistently. OSU and Bucky are better in recent times, but are football schools at heart.
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I agree pretty much with this, though I'd put OSU a strong 3rd considering both the revenue the school produces and the amount of in state talent available.
 

The two things that disturb me most about the article are these:

1) One of his main concerns with Brewster was his poor record against primary rivals....and now I am supposed to take him seriously when he says being 6-0 against Iowa is a negative?

2) He says "I suppose it's only a matter of time before Smith's name comes up for the Georgia Tech, Utah, Texas Tech and Northern Illinois jobs, too." and insinuates a negative connotation about it.......EARTH TO DOOGIE......YOU STARTED THE GEORGIA TECH RUMOR 3 MONTHS AGO. Don't call the rumor mill a bad thing when you are the one who started one of the rumors.
 

howeda7 said:
Top 30 job nationally. Somewhere between 3-7 in the Big 10. Indiana is still #1 and MSU is clearly #2.

Purdue, Illinois, MN, Wisconsin and OSU are all on about the same level over the long-term. Capable of making a Final Four/winning the conference (all have done one/both in the last 15 years), but not able to do so often or consistently. OSU and Bucky are better in recent times, but are football schools at heart.
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this is not a top 30 job nationally. top 40?

7th or 8th best job in the B10. there are 30 better jobs in the power 6 conferences.
 



Minnesota since Musslemen has been considered a good basketball school.Sure you must take the scandels in to consideration but we actaully have done better than Wisconsin in the last 40 years or so.Look at the NBA guys we have had compared to some of the teams we have been clummed with as the bottom programs.Doogie likes to put our basketball right with were our football program has been.There is an obsession in the local media with keeping Tubby leaving rumors alive.Why bring up Maryland?Most of us have heard this before more likely more than once.I guess if you have nothing to report you can revert to a little birdie type reporting.
 

Doogie

Is anyone else as tired of Doogie as I am. He has little to offer with regards to the Gopher basketball program. And, yet, he fashions himself as a gopher guru. He is "chicken little" waiting for the sky to fall. He does little if any factual reporting. All he does is speculate. It is getting very tiring. The more that Tubby says he is staying, the more that people like Doogie speculate that he is leaving. First the Charlotte Bobcats, then Georgia Tech, then Arkansas, and now Maryland. You know the one good thing about basketball is that if you recruit a couple of good Top 100 type players your whole program will change unlike Football. So, stop with the nonsense speculating. Concentrate on the facts
 


"Concentrate on the facts"

Here? That is no fun. It creates boring comments and also stifles arguing and name calling posts.
 



samloupete said:
Is anyone else as tired of Doogie as I am. He has little to offer with regards to the Gopher basketball program. And, yet, he fashions himself as a gopher guru. He is "chicken little" waiting for the sky to fall. He does little if any factual reporting. All he does is speculate. It is getting very tiring. The more that Tubby says he is staying, the more that people like Doogie speculate that he is leaving. First the Charlotte Bobcats, then Georgia Tech, then Arkansas, and now Maryland. You know the one good thing about basketball is that if you recruit a couple of good Top 100 type players your whole program will change unlike Football. So, stop with the nonsense speculating. Concentrate on the facts
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Of course everything you say is true, but at the same time he's doing his job. He's in a profession where you have to be a truly great talent (which is rare) or just throw mud until enough sticks. It's the reason he sticks up for people like Macky, because an attack on what Mackey does is an attack on Doogie's likeness.
 


This Maryland take is pretty bad imo considering they would be ousting a one-time national champion in the late stages of his career for another one-time national champion in the late stages of his career. It makes no sense and I think Doogie is just filling word requirements.
Also, I can't fathom why the Barn is a detriment worth writing about? The Barn has pretty much everything you could ask for in a college facility (including history) and is just as enjoyable-if not more- than going to Target Field or Xcel.
 


- Filling word requirements -

goldengophers said:
This Maryland take is pretty bad imo considering they would be ousting a one-time national champion in the late stages of his career for another one-time national champion in the late stages of his career. It makes no sense and I think Doogie is just filling word requirements.
Also, I can't fathom why the Barn is a detriment worth writing about? The Barn has pretty much everything you could ask for in a college facility (including history) and is just as enjoyable-if not more- than going to Target Field or Xcel.
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Couldn't agree more. Regarding his comment about the Barn - that just shows his ignorance regarding the history of Gopher Basketball and college ball in general.
 

scools12 said:
this is not a top 30 job nationally. top 40?

7th or 8th best job in the B10. there are 30 better jobs in the power 6 conferences.
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It's not 8th in the conference. 7th at worst but arguably 4th or 5th. Better than Michigan and certainly better than PSU, NW and Iowa. The MN job is under-rated by most. It's all alone in a major metro area and the only D-1 school in a state of 5 million people. North and South Dakota have more D-1 schools than MN does. And even though the Barn is old, it's generally full and provides a good home-court advantage. The only thing lacking is the practice facility and a more supportive Administration. It's on the same level as jobs like Illinois, Purdue, GT, Wake, Missouri, OK State, Arkansas, Stanford, Villanova, etc. and better than jobs like Michigan, NC State, Texas A&M, etc.
 

howeda7 said:
It's all alone in a major metro area and the only D-1 school in a state of 5 million people.
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That's a detriment, not a plus.

Just ask our own special little "Culver City" resident.

He'll tell you how another DI school in the state would make us sharpen our swords, or some other such nonsense. And he'll be guaranteed to do it in no less than 500 words.
 

goldengophers said:
Also, I can't fathom why the Barn is a detriment worth writing about? The Barn has pretty much everything you could ask for in a college facility (including history) and is just as enjoyable-if not more- than going to Target Field or Xcel.
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It's not flashy like say, Oregon's new building. We as fans love the Barn, but some high school kid might not give a rip about tradition.
 


The following is a representation of my two competing reactions whenever I read something like this, horrified disbelief, and dismissive laughter:

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And yes, I was just looking for an opportunity to post this gif.
 

Cute kid,maybe he's the little birdie that gives Doogie his scoops.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
Honestly, how do you rate the MN job? In reality, it is probably the 7th or 8th best job in the B10? Not ripping, just wondering? I would put it above NW, PSU, and Iowa...
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And why is it the 7th or 8th best job in the BT? Is it because of the School, whith a law school that ranks 20th in the nation and the Med school which is a quality school as well?

Is it the weather? Then why is Wisconsin right there?

Is it the Athletic department (pretty vague question I know since that can cover a wide range)?

Is it the Media? or the Fan Support?

Could it be that they have had trouble establishing consistency in winning?

It would have been difficult for anyone to win once Nolan went down. Devoe had already flown the coop and the other player injured and lost for the season.
 

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discochris said:
It's not flashy like say, Oregon's new building. We as fans love the Barn, but some high school kid might not give a rip about tradition.
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The new Oregon floor makes me want to throw up. Virginia has a new multi billion dollar arena and they still languish in the ACC.

The Barn is more important to the University and the state than some 18 year old kid that for no other reason than our court might not come here.

Doogie and that 18 year old can hit the highway, IMHO.


Does Doogie get paid for the crap he spouts? :confused:
 

Section201 said:
The new Oregon floor makes me want to throw up. Virginia has a new multi billion dollar arena and they still languish in the ACC.

The Barn is more important to the University and the state than some 18 year old kid that for no other reason than our court might not come here.

Doogie and that 18 year old can hit the highway, IMHO.


Does Doogie get paid for the crap he spouts? :confused:
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As nice as the "who cares what 18 year old think" argument is, they are the ones who determine if the program wins or not. And the barn is great and all, but if it only attracts 1-star recruits, it doesn't really do much good.

I am not saying that IS the case, but if there was a time where we were absolutley losing out on recruits because of the barn, you almost have to rebuild it. I do not believe we are at that point though.

For those who love the barn, however, that is why we need a practice facility. If your arena is not state of the art, there had better be something here that is.
 

scher

scher215 said:
As nice as the "who cares what 18 year old think" argument is, they are the ones who determine if the program wins or not. And the barn is great and all, but if it only attracts 1-star recruits, it doesn't really do much good.

I am not saying that IS the case, but if there was a time where we were absolutley losing out on recruits because of the barn, you almost have to rebuild it. I do not believe we are at that point though.

For those who love the barn, however, that is why we need a practice facility. If your arena is not state of the art, there had better be something here that is.
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I agree on the practice facility.

Obviously, I love the Barn.

I would like to see the quotes from any recruit that said "I decided to go to [Wisconsin, Duke, Kansas, Texas, or anywhere else] instead of the U because I did not want to play in Williams Arena."

There are a several hundred D1 schools with newer arenas than the Barn and they still manage to lose with great frequency. I tire of the argument that the Barn is what holds us back.
 

Section201 said:
The new Oregon floor makes me want to throw up. Virginia has a new multi billion dollar arena and they still languish in the ACC.
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Multi-billion dollar arena? Try again on that. Virginia will struggle to get out from under Duke and UNC and the difficulty getting kids into school doesn't help matters. But it's not the arena's fault.

Oregon will probably spend it's way into being one of the 4 best programs in the Pac 10 though and the arena is part of it. The floor is awful though.
 

Section201 said:
I agree on the practice facility.

Obviously, I love the Barn.

I would like to see the quotes from any recruit that said "I decided to go to [Wisconsin, Duke, Kansas, Texas, or anywhere else] instead of the U because I did not want to play in Williams Arena."

There are a several hundred D1 schools with newer arenas than the Barn and they still manage to lose with great frequency. I tire of the argument that the Barn is what holds us back.
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Agreed.

I do not think at this point it NEEDS to be replaced, currently Tubby Smith draws recruits without the flashy arena. I think he'd draw MORE recruits with this argument. "We play in an arena that has a great atmosphere and great tradition and is one of the most unique places in all of basketball, guys like Kevin McHale, Bobby Jackson, Voshon Leanord have all played in this arena. Also, we have a brand new state of the art practice facility for you to use 24 hours a day to get better, and one day you could be another historically great NBA player who has played here."

I do not think tradition / history plays a HUGE role for recruits who are 18, but I believe it does play some role when you can say this is where Kevin McHale, Trent Tucker, Bobby Jackson, Voshon Leanard, etc. played. Recruits do know who those guys are. Many recruits do care about money and flash and fast paced, etc. but there are still recruits who care about history and are students of the game, and often these are the types of players who can build programs.

I think the right thing for the U to do is keep the barn, build that practice facility, and be good to go until the majority of recruits start listing the barn as a top 5 reason they didn't come here.

As much as it pains many to give 18 year olds (and coaches for that matter) that power, they are the key to winning and they do own that power.
 

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