Doogie: Sumlin has been investigating what he could pay his assistants at Minn

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Goldmember said:
I don't get why this guy has not been hired-away by a BCS program already. His defenses have been very good, and everyone knows the MAC is a stepping-stone.

Maybe everyone notices that Minnesota-2006 scored 44-points on his defense.
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True but Minnesota 2006 had an amazing Offense. Though half of those points came off of Defensive turnovers if I remember correctly. That was when Mason was experimenting at RB & we had guys like E.C. Jones (or EJ?) & Daniels playing running back because Mason & Pinnix weren't exactly seeing eye to eye with eachother. When Mason paired Pinnix with Thomas later in the season it was like the closest to a 1-2 punch since Barber/Maroney he had. He had finally found a combo that worked well together...
 

Sumlin isn't my top choice (he is in my top 5) but I have to say I've actually been pretty impressed with what Houston has done this season. Considering they lost Case Keenum and then his back-up in the same game, I thought for sure they were going to basically rebuild this year. Yet there they sit at 4-1 in the conference and 5-3 overall...and they probably would have beat UCLA if they both didn't go down that game.

One of my concerns about Sumlin and the success he has had there is kind of the chicken or the egg argument. Have they and Sumlin been as successful because of Case Keenum or did Sumlin's coaching make Case Keenum into the player he is. With Keenum going down and the continued success they have had this season, tells me a lot about Sumlin as a coach.

Feel free to rip away.
 

They play tonight at 7p on ESPN-2 vs. Central Florida... they are a 2-point underdog... worth watching to see how he/they do.
 

Ski U Mah Gopher said:
One thing about Sumlin:

He changed his offense on the fly when he lost 2 QBs. Still the spread, but not Air Raid. They run 45-50% of the time. I like that.
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Amazing this keeps getting overlooked. A problem we've had is the lack of ability our recent coaches had at adjusting...
 



FireCosgroveGuy said:
Not a fan. Need someone better IMO.
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We won't be getting Harbaugh, Peterson, or Patterson. Who do you suggest we get? I think Sumlin could be a very good coach but he will need a good D coordinator also.
 

Have no enthusiasm for Sumlin at all and think we'd be back doing this whole thing again in five years. Of those with minimal HC experience, he does not stand out other than the tangential connections to the state and the program in the past, which means nothing. He would be a huge risk.
 

Tommy Bowden had a solid winning record at Tulane and Clemson, most of it at Clemson. No comparison with Sumlin.
 

Ole said:
FYI they've been running the 3-4 this year, it would be interesting to bring that to the Big Ten.
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Ted Roof did that for large portions of games when he was here and was very successful with it. I liked it a lot.
 



Great Plains Gopher said:
Tommy Bowden had a solid winning record at Tulane and Clemson, most of it at Clemson. No comparison with Sumlin.
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Sumlin has been mentioned for other jobs such Tennessee, Kansas, Cincinnati, and Texas Tech. He's also been mentioned as a possible replacement for Sherman at Texas A&M. It's not like he's Trestman. Bowden was pretty decent at Clemson, 29-13 out of conference record, 43-32 in conference. His team never seemed to get over the hump though. He had a lot of 4-4 and 5-3 conference record years. (Don't get me wrong, I'd take that as a Gopher fan right now.) With the talent in the SE, I feel he underachieved at Clemson. Not to mention his QB saying he "deserved" to be fired after he got shown the door at Clemson. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement by one of his player. Give me Sumlin over Bowden any day.
 

Would Sumlin be like Wacker and bring in his spread offense that was no match for Big Ten defenses with a non-existent defense of his own or would he be like Joe Tiller at Purdue who was able to build both a strong spread offense and eventually a solid defense - good enough to win the Big Ten. Hard to tell
 


Ski U Mah Gopher said:
One thing about Sumlin:

He changed his offense on the fly when he lost 2 QBs. Still the spread, but not Air Raid. They run 45-50% of the time. I like that.
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I think this is a key point to those who think Sumlin is just a less experienced version of Leach. He has shown his willingness to adapt his "system" to the players he has.
 




Sumlin would be great. Very hungry coach who the players would love. Sounds like Brewster but this guy actually has experience and an actual style of offense.
 

Sumlin is also very cerebral. Super smart football mind and just a smart guy in general.

Brewster is all hat and no cattle.
 

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Khaliq said:
Sumlin is also very cerebral. Super smart football mind and just a smart guy in general.

Brewster is all hat and no cattle.
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I agree with reservation, is Sumlin a super smart football mind? I for sure agree he's a good one, just don't know how good. Not sayin' he ain't either. Just don't know.

But aren't there 5 or 6 more proven better candidates? If they all say no, I like him at the top of the next level.
 

Nine said:
The media actually gets in the way of hiring coaches by trying to get every once of info first. Coaches end up pulling out when things like this break in the media...

Not that its not their job but I wish no reporting like this would come out until the coach is hired. Polyanna I guess...
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I agree with you on this one. If the coach they are interested in is currently working with another school, there is an immediate backlash at his present job. This is the main reason many of them end up resorting to lying to cover their tracks...what choice do they have. "Yes I am interested and being interviewed. But I still want you guys to know I am committed to you and this program?"
 

Didn't like the idea much at first, but the more I read up on the guy, the more I'd be satisfied with giving him the shot. First and foremost, the coach has to be a guy who wants to be here and believes he can win here. I think Sumlin fits the bill on both counts. He's young enough that he could be here for a long time if he can get the ball rolling.
 

NONONO

Silvio said:
I wouldn't call him tier B. I think he would be a great hire if you valued being young and hungry above a lot of experience and possible loss of ambition/hunger.
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That sounds exactly like brewster. so no thankyou.
 


Something that I think is being over looked here is the fact that a STRONG, Houston program hurts the Gophers. With TCU playing in BCS games already, a strong Houston program will all but cut the gophers (and other midlevel teams) out of the biggest football state. I'm not saying Houston will die without their coach, but with his roots in the state he could keep the gophers in Texas.

I know this isn't a make or break point, but still something to think about.

Also I don't see anything wrong with Brewster's work ethic or vision. This school needs some one that thinks it can be great. He just couldn't get done what he promised. Coach K said the two quickest ways to get fired are 1. Unrealistic scheduling, and 2. hiring your friends over people who can do the job. I liked Brewster's idea but he tried to put the cart before the horse at the U.
 

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hand or so, but a buddy of mine works at Wells Fargo in Houston with this guys' http://www.uhcougars.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/anderson_bj00.html wife. She is some kind of analyst. Anyway, the talk is that they (the Houston staff) would be quite excited to go to a BCS conference, and Minnesota has been mentioned as a possible destination.
 

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