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[Dr.Don]

Ha. Yeah, maybe Judd is The Scout.

It gave that impression to people who don't follow college basketball. If Tubby is not your guy, you fire him right away. You don't contemplate that decision for a week. UCLA fired Howland and they don't have a guy yet. . .

I wonder how many people bought into GL's "source" about having a guy in place?

That is the only thing disconcerting to me, is GL went out of her way and said that, so how does the relationship between her "source" and her remain strong. I know, I know, talk is cheap, but wrong talk can be expensive.

GL, as a strong supporter of you and your input to us, what is going on?

 

[SaintLouisGopher]

Tubby is like that nice girl that everyone likes. Regardless how her boyfriend breaks it off with her he is always going to an a-hole and she will be the victim. Compound that with the fact that all her friends didn't think the guy deserved her in the first place then you have our situation. Talk about high school mentality....

 

[GopherOhana]

I may be in the minority, but I think it was the primary reason to fire Tubby. The causal factor may have been the on-court performance and progression, but more than anything, for the long term, this program needs a practice facility.

same. teague's vision for the program and having tubby as coach may have been incongruous, causing donors to suffer cognitive dissonance

 

[gophmeister]

I'm going to summarize a few thoughts here I like.

* Teague and Co are confident they will find a good coach.
* Lack of support for Tubby among booster did him in, especially those who are being counted on to pay for a practice facility.
* Firing him right away was the right thing to do not just for us, but it gives Tubby a chance to get another job.

 

[goldengophers]

I've yet to hear Judd mention that these coaches have turned down UCLA as well, a top 5 all-time program. Firing a coach the day after the season is the way to go, especially when you knew you wanted to.

 

[jaymil]

I've yet to hear Judd mention that these coaches have turned down UCLA as well, a top 5 all-time program. Firing a coach the day after the season is the way to go, especially when you knew you wanted to.

Stop making so much sense. You have no future in Minnesota sports talk radio.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

I have to admit, when NT fired Tubby on Monday, I had the idea that they were planning to move quickly on the entire process. NT made a point in the press conference that they were not using a search firm or committee, which I certainly took to mean a streamlined process.

Now, it does seem to appear as if coaches are using the U's opening as leverage to obtain a raise and/or extension from their current school (i.e. Shaka and Hoiberg). We also don't know how many coaches have been contacted, or whether NT is waiting for coaches to be eliminated from the touranment.

But, let's face it - the longer this draws out, the worse it looks from a national perspective. All the talking heads who liked Tubby are going to pile it on - "The Goofers fired a National Championship-winning coach, and now they can't get anyone to take the job." if NT doesn't land a coach soon - or if that coach isn't high-profile, the program will take a big PR hit - which will not help future recruiting.

 

[Iceland12]

I've yet to hear Judd mention that these coaches have turned down UCLA as well, a top 5 all-time program. Firing a coach the day after the season is the way to go, especially when you knew you wanted to.

Don't worry golden, the National Media is taking care of that for him..

 

[Dr.Don]

I have to admit, when NT fired Tubby on Monday, I had the idea that they were planning to move quickly on the entire process. NT made a point in the press conference that they were not using a search firm or committee, which I certainly took to mean a streamlined process.

Now, it does seem to appear as if coaches are using the U's opening as leverage to obtain a raise and/or extension from their current school (i.e. Shaka and Hoiberg). We also don't know how many coaches have been contacted, or whether NT is waiting for coaches to be eliminated from the touranment.

But, let's face it - the longer this draws out, the worse it looks from a national perspective. All the talking heads who liked Tubby are going to pile it on - "The Goofers fired a National Championship-winning coach, and now they can't get anyone to take the job." if NT doesn't land a coach soon - or if that coach isn't high-profile, the program will take a big PR hit - which will not help future recruiting.

My God, over analyze much? I'll bet you are a real treat in a Company Meeting.

 

[Buttcheeks McGaffigan]

I have to admit, when NT fired Tubby on Monday, I had the idea that they were planning to move quickly on the entire process. NT made a point in the press conference that they were not using a search firm or committee, which I certainly took to mean a streamlined process.

Now, it does seem to appear as if coaches are using the U's opening as leverage to obtain a raise and/or extension from their current school (i.e. Shaka and Hoiberg). We also don't know how many coaches have been contacted, or whether NT is waiting for coaches to be eliminated from the touranment.

But, let's face it - the longer this draws out, the worse it looks from a national perspective. All the talking heads who liked Tubby are going to pile it on - "The Goofers fired a National Championship-winning coach, and now they can't get anyone to take the job." if NT doesn't land a coach soon - or if that coach isn't high-profile, the program will take a big PR hit - which will not help future recruiting.

I think the nation perspective moved back to the NCAA tournament. They were outraged for one day and went back to not caring about Minnesota.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

I have to admit, when NT fired Tubby on Monday, I had the idea that they were planning to move quickly on the entire process. NT made a point in the press conference that they were not using a search firm or committee, which I certainly took to mean a streamlined process.

Now, it does seem to appear as if coaches are using the U's opening as leverage to obtain a raise and/or extension from their current school (i.e. Shaka and Hoiberg). We also don't know how many coaches have been contacted, or whether NT is waiting for coaches to be eliminated from the touranment.

But, let's face it - the longer this draws out, the worse it looks from a national perspective. All the talking heads who liked Tubby are going to pile it on - "The Goofers fired a National Championship-winning coach, and now they can't get anyone to take the job." if NT doesn't land a coach soon - or if that coach isn't high-profile, the program will take a big PR hit - which will not help future recruiting.[/QUOTE]

We aren't at a point anytime soon where this is dragging out too long. Look at how long Illinois coaching search took. It's a process. Zulgad isn't a college sports fan if these are his legitimate takes. There is no way. It took Calipari until 4 days after Memphis lost in the tournament to switch to Kentucky and that was a DONE DEAL. He was the best coach available for THE job available. It's just not how these things work. Don't let these baffoons get in the way from your view of reality.

 

[BleedGopher]

If our #1 target all along is a HC with a team still playing, then the timeline that we're on is obviously appropriate. I'm not sure why Zulgad wouldn't have mentioned that. Obviously there is risk in that (the HC could back out, even if a verbal agreement has been reached).

Go Gophers!!

 

[station19]

By firing Tubby that quickly and possibly not having a new coach in place, says to me Teague just plain wanted Tubby gone. He wasn't thinking let's see if we can find someone better.

 

[Buttcheeks McGaffigan]

Can't believe I'm saying this but Jim Souhan is being the voice of reason on 1500.

 

[station19]

Souhan disagreeing with Zulgad now. Mentioned Marshall and others that may be still playing. Swing and miss on Shaka or Hoiberg is not embarrassing and Teague couldn't really say much at a press conference anyway.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

By firing Tubby that quickly and possibly not having a new coach in place, says to me Teague just plain wanted Tubby gone. He wasn't thinking let's see if we can find someone better.

But that's how you should make these decisions.

You fire someone because they aren't performing. In a market full of basketball coaches, you have to realize that there are people out there who can be good basketball coaches. We didn't fire Brew because we knew we had someone better, we fired him because he was a lousy basketball coach. If Teague didn't think Tubby was a good fit (most of us agreed), then you move on and you find someone. There are enough good coaches in the world to find someone who is a fit.

 

[Iceland12]

By firing Tubby that quickly and possibly not having a new coach in place, says to me Teague just plain wanted Tubby gone. He wasn't thinking let's see if we can find someone better.

Or Teague thought he had a coach lined-up and blew it, much like he thought no one would care about the North Carolina cancellations. You're right though, it's better to think he knew what he was doing.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

Souhan disagreeing with Zulgad now. Mentioned Marshall and others that may be still playing. Swing and miss on Shaka or Hoiberg is not embarrassing and Teague couldn't really say much at a press conference anyway.

Did Souhan just use common sense? This is stranger than the VCU fans arrainging a fist fit on Monday.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

But that's how you should make these decisions.

You fire someone because they aren't performing. In a market full of basketball coaches, you have to realize that there are people out there who can be good basketball coaches. We didn't fire Brew because we knew we had someone better, we fired him because he was a lousy basketball coach. If Teague didn't think Tubby was a good fit (most of us agreed), then you move on and you find someone. There are enough good coaches in the world to find someone who is a fit.

Agreed. It's not so much who the coach is but what you surround him with. He needs access to a private jet and he needs a practice facility. We could get coach K with our current facilities and we would still lose recruits to Duke.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

Or Teague thought he had a coach lined-up and blew it, much like he thought no one would care about the North Carolina cancellations. You're right though, it's better to think he knew what he was doing.

What?

Coaches get fired when they don't perform and then the AD's find a new coach. That's how it works, I can't think of a scenario where a team only fired someone because they already had another coach lined up. You fire a coach when he is not performing and then you find a coach you think would be a good fit.

 

[station19]

Or Teague thought he had a coach lined-up and blew it, much like he thought no one would care about the North Carolina cancellations. You're right though, it's better to think he knew what he was doing.

Point being, people are just assuming. Usually what they want to assume.

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

But that's how you should make these decisions.

You fire someone because they aren't performing. In a market full of basketball coaches, you have to realize that there are people out there who can be good basketball coaches. We didn't fire Brew because we knew we had someone better, we fired him because he was a lousy basketball coach. If Teague didn't think Tubby was a good fit (most of us agreed), then you move on and you find someone. There are enough good coaches in the world to find someone who is a fit.

What in the WORLD was Brew doing coaching football if he's a basketball coach?!?!?

Sorry, Bob. Couldn't resist.

 

[ethomasp31]

If true, good news on the facility and the plane. Cool stuff there. I think regardless of record, if Tubby being here was hindering fund raising significantly the move was worth it, regardless of who you hire after.

The fact NT was actually able to get face time with Brad is encouraging though, even if he isn't the guy, it at least would mean he was willing to chat about it.

BINGO!!! That's why at this time Tubby needed to be let go, not because he was a bad coach or because someone new is going to do better than him, but because the fanbase needed to be given what they wanted and needed to be energized. Personally, I think the fanbase was wrong about most things, but that will only be proven over time. At first I was against a Flip hire because of his age and I thought that Smart or Stevens were possibilities, but honestly I think Flip might be the best option right now. He does know the Big 3 as well as anyone and probably has a better chance at getting them as any other coach we bring in. He also has a good chance to keep Ellis, which I think would be pretty big. Plus the guy is a Golden Gopher and would give it everything he has got for the program.

 

[34Gopher]

I have to admit, when NT fired Tubby on Monday, I had the idea that they were planning to move quickly on the entire process. NT made a point in the press conference that they were not using a search firm or committee, which I certainly took to mean a streamlined process.

Now, it does seem to appear as if coaches are using the U's opening as leverage to obtain a raise and/or extension from their current school (i.e. Shaka and Hoiberg). We also don't know how many coaches have been contacted, or whether NT is waiting for coaches to be eliminated from the touranment.

But, let's face it - the longer this draws out, the worse it looks from a national perspective. All the talking heads who liked Tubby are going to pile it on - "The Goofers fired a National Championship-winning coach, and now they can't get anyone to take the job." if NT doesn't land a coach soon - or if that coach isn't high-profile, the program will take a big PR hit - which will not help future recruiting.

So it would have looked better from a national perspective if Norwood had fired Tubby and announced our new coach the next day? I'm sure none of the talking heads at ESPN would have gone on a rant saying "Teague was out to get Tubby the whole time" or anything.

 

[2nd Degree Gopher]

So it would have looked better from a national perspective if Norwood had fired Tubby and announced our new coach the next day? I'm sure none of the talking heads at ESPN would have gone on a rant saying "Teague was out to get Tubby the whole time" or anything.

Especially if he hires the guy who appears to have been hanging around the program, tweeting about games and basically waiting (hoping?) for Tubby to get fired. If Flip’s the guy, the delay is for the best.

 

[PhillyGopher]

Or Teague thought he had a coach lined-up and blew it, much like he thought no one would care about the North Carolina cancellations. You're right though, it's better to think he knew what he was doing.

Probably better to think nothing and just wait to see what happens

 

[Hates Monikers]

What?

Coaches get fired when they don't perform and then the AD's find a new coach. That's how it works, I can't think of a scenario where a team only fired someone because they already had another coach lined up. You fire a coach when he is not performing and then you find a coach you think would be a good fit.

I think that's the way it works more often than not, but it doesn't have to. If Tim Brewster or Dan Monson is your coach and the program is a mess, you fire him and you can be pretty confident you can do better. If Tubby Smith (and, in hindsight, Glen Mason) has improved the program and you know he's not a bad coach, I hope you don't fire him without having a pretty good idea of who you might be able to get. Because we can definitely do worse.

Who knows -- maybe Teague's thought was, "I'll shoot for the stars and if I miss, I've always got Flip."

 

[goldgopher]

But that's how you should make these decisions.

You fire someone because they aren't performing. In a market full of basketball coaches, you have to realize that there are people out there who can be good basketball coaches. We didn't fire Brew because we knew we had someone better, we fired him because he was a lousy basketball coach. If Teague didn't think Tubby was a good fit (most of us agreed), then you move on and you find someone. There are enough good coaches in the world to find someone who is a fit.

I thought we fired Brew because he was a lousy football coach, now I find out he was fired for being a lousy basketball coach! Who knew.

 

[westcoastgopher11]

Can't believe I'm saying this but Jim Souhan is being the voice of reason on 1500.

Couldn't believe it.

 

[#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat]

If they had waited to fire him we would just be hearing about how we let him twist in the wind for too long. How we should have let him go sooner so he had a chance to throw his hat in the ring for the new openings. How we cost him a chance at getting involved early enough to secure a good opportunity.

You know, that's so true, it doesn't matter what we do. We can't win.


Why is that? I'll tell you why. The bluebloods aren't scared of FGC or VCU. They figure they will just fade back into the background, never REALLY making much of an impact, or at least not stopping them from continuing to make theirs.

But they are, truly scared of Minnesota. UMn is like a sleeping giant, ready to be awakened. They thought UMn had been awakened back in the 90's, with confirmation of this awakening coming in 1997. And hence why they jumped on the story that Clem had been cheating. They LOVED that news, it made them feel SO relieved. They didn't have to worry about Minnesota now for a good long time.

That was until we hired Tubby. That got them nervous. But when Tubby fell into a mode of mediocrity, they had us right where they wanted us. Not horrible, but not great, either. A big positive if they beat us, because they just beat a Natl Title winning coach and his rising team. But not good enough to regularly beat anyone.


Firing Tubby scares them. They see it as our taking cbb seriously.


And they should be scared. We have a UNC grad, a Villa 7 mastermind now as our AD, with a former NBA coach like Flip Saunders as our friggin Plan E or F?! Flip is our friggin safety valve, or backup plan???

Damn right they are scared of us.



Too much fun picking on Minnesota. Not fun at all having to give us props.