Do you think think the Gophers will play games in 2020?

Do you think think the Gophers will play games in 2020?

  • Yes, the Big Ten games will be played with fans in attendance

    Votes: 18 11.1%

  • Yes, the Big Ten games will be played with no fans in attendance

    Votes: 42 25.9%

  • No, no college football games will be played in 2020

    Votes: 102 63.0%
  • Total voters
    162
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Only realistic way to have a season is to treat Covid like the flu, if your to sick to play you sit out, otherwise you play. If they go crazy with testing there is no way college football can be played because ALOT of these kids will get it and there is no way around that now that virus is spreading out of control in more than half the country. I doubt any team sports will be able to pull off a legit season this year when positive tests equal quarantine.....
 

fmlizard said:
The first time a player gets real sick there will be intense media pressure to shut it all down.
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You’re right. You’ve got 8-10 300+ lb. linemen in close contact for 90 minutes. Breathing heavily in one pig pile after another. What are people thinking?
 


maroon and gold said:
You’re right. You’ve got 8-10 300+ lb. linemen in close contact for 90 minutes. Breathing heavily in one pig pile after another. What are people thinking?
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The media needs to focus on how obesity is the real driver of this disease. If you see pictures of people who die and are under 70, the Vast majority are obese.
 




Wally said:
The media needs to focus on how obesity is the real driver of this disease. If you see pictures of people who die and are under 70, the Vast majority are obese.
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Yes, but we need to also keep it in perspective.

 

Here is a interesting article showing what to do about football his fall is the familiar discussion about how to deal with this pandemic $$ vs risk to health.
www.nytimes.com

College Football Season Teeters on the Brink (Published 2020)

Bit by bit, workouts, programs or seasons are canceled by conferences, throwing into question if it is worth having a season at all in a pandemic.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 

The pandemic is a very tough foe. But, the US results are due to either incompetent leadership or seemingly worse - malevolent leadership at the top. We didn’t have to be in the position we are in nor should we have essentially given up trying to control the virus. Losing football is a rather minor fallout from the pandemic in the grand scheme, but it should be a make every fan as mad as h*ll.
 



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There is so much badly needed cash on the line they will do everything they can to have a football season. Remember this though -- so far there have been 3,200,000 cases reported in the U.S. This number is NOTHING - it's about 1.5 per cent of the total population. I fully expect these numbers to continue to rise exponentially and as they do there will be an even greater case to shut everything down.

I think the Gophers will be playing 2-3 games max - if that - and then they shut down the rest of the season which absolutely blows as we were going to have a very good team this year. Why couldn't they have shut down the 1983 season? LOL.
 

Cases set a new record yesterday.

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Deaths were down a hair, but the last four days have not been a good trend. However, if it can hold at <= 1k per day, at least that would still be a fraction of the spring peak when NYC area was on fire.

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Deaths reported vs. when they actually occurred. It matters. Take some time to study that chart.


 

PitinoFan said:
Deaths reported vs. when they actually occurred. It matters. Take some time to study that chart.


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Firstly, why does it matter? If more people are dying, then more people are dying. Right?

Secondly, you're talking about a weekly CDC report. But the Worldometer must be constantly scraping state/local reports hourly. They're already showing non-zero cases and deaths for today.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

EDIT: ignore my first point above, I didn't understand it correctly at first. Thanks for bringing up the point about the CDC weekly report. Agree that is odd, about the Jul 11 report. But my second point still stands.
 



MplsGopher said:
Firstly, why does it matter? If more people are dying, then more people are dying. Right?

Secondly, you're talking about a weekly CDC report. But the Worldometer must be constantly scraping state/local hourly. They're already showing non-zero cases and deaths for today.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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You don’t think it matters that nearly 2300 of the 6600 deaths reported this week occurred during the weeks of April 25th and May 2nd? C’mon man, you’re smarter than that.
 

PitinoFan said:
You don’t think it matters that nearly 2300 of the 6600 deaths reported this week occurred during the weeks of April 25th and May 2nd? C’mon man, you’re smarter than that.
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See edit above
 

MplsGopher said:
See edit above
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Fair enough. The chart is confusing. It took me a bit to figure it out too. The point is there was a lot of backfilling of deaths that occurred weeks or months ago. This occurs every week, but it was an unusually high number this week.
 

PitinoFan said:
Fair enough. The chart is confusing. It took me a bit to figure it out too. The point is there was a lot of backfilling of deaths that occurred weeks or months ago. This occurs every week, but it was an unusually high number this week.
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Sure, agree .... but that's just the CDC's weekly report.

There's no way Worldometer's compiling uses that, as they update hourly from each state/territory. Must be scraping local reports, is my guess.

Could those reports be having some of the same issue? Maybe.
 

MplsGopher said:
Sure, agree .... but that's just the CDC's weekly report.

There's no way Worldometer's compiling uses that, as they update hourly from each state/territory. Must be scraping local reports, is my guess.

Could those reports be having some of the same issue? Maybe.
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Where does the CDC get their data? If the states are slow to report some deaths, it seems as though it would affect Worldmeter’s numbers as well.
 

PitinoFan said:
Where does the CDC get their data? If the states are slow to report some deaths, it seems as though it would affect Worldmeter’s numbers as well.
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The same analysis would have to be done for each state, I suspect.

Do the states publicly offer the granularity of date of death for each of the number listed in a daily report? I haven't even looked, but MN would be a good place to start.
 

I think in MN's case, the death has to be confirmed as being caused by covid before it is classified as a covid-related death. There are also deaths that are suspected to be caused by covid, but are not listed as official covid deaths because no test was performed.

checked the MN Dept of Health site and all it says are "deaths are listed under the dates they were reported." that suggests someone could die, but it might not be reported as a covid-related death until a later date.
 

I fall victim to this myself but we need to restrain ourselves from the urge to unquestionably quote compilation sites like Worldometer, Johns Hopkins (those stats actually compiled by organization derived from writers - and sometimes storytellers -from The Atlantic magazine). The lag time; the non-uniformity in classifying COVID-caused vs COVID-associated; the known issues with states like NY, CO, FL being very messy with their statistics leads to us driving forward while looking into the rear view mirror by a number of weeks. The lag in testing results for example means the new infections being reported today likely occurred a few weeks ago and perhaps even longer in places like AZ or CA. We could already be past the peak in new infections, or going exponentially higher and be totally unaware. New hospital admissions are also a look back in time.

Maybe number of new tested with symptoms should be the new metric to follow, collected at testing centers. One more data point subject to human inefficiencies...
 


Cases.

They are not "cases". Cases imply medical treatment. Most people with COVID never see a doctor except for the test. "Incidences" is far more accurate.

The percentages of people that have COVID that are in "danger" are the same as ever other disease.

I am a post-COVID example. 3 days sucked. I slept a lot. I sweated like a pig. Some respiratory issues, but no more than my usual allergies. Flu. Drink fluids. Eat what you can.

My 79 year old cousin has it in a senior care center with 39 other people. She is asymptomatic. No one has died in her facility.

Same as every other virus.

The more "incidents" detected are OK. Herd immunity. Death rate drops. It's a disease. It's definitely not the plague. We have become very, very sheltered.
 

PitinoFan said:
Deaths reported vs. when they actually occurred. It matters. Take some time to study that chart.


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Wouldn’t this probably be because of the nearly 2000 probable deaths New Jersey added in late June? We know this CDC total being used is from death certificates and that lags. Nobody uses that total for daily or even weekly news reports. They get their totals from state agencies that update daily. I’m not really sure what the problem is?
 

PitinoFan said:
Where does the CDC get their data? If the states are slow to report some deaths, it seems as though it would affect Worldmeter’s numbers as well.
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I am guessing it is fairly current, counts go down on the weekends because of reporting delays, it doesn't seem like the reporting delays occur in weeks or months though.
 

I'm just gunna keep expecting the worst in 2020. Feels like officials are just softening the news of the cancelled season. First it's no weight training. Then no non conference. Etc, etc.
 

The main point the CDC chart displayed above tells us is that current fatality counts are incomplete - as numbers continue to be updated several months later. The ‘it’s the flu’ crowd would know that deaths are undercounted as the CDC regularly updates figures upward for flu related fatalities than the direct data suggests. And of course, total deaths for all causes have been higher than expected since the pandemic began and the number is higher than just those counted as coronavirus. The extra deaths may be undiagnosed Covid-19 or choosing to avoid appropriate medical for non-Covid 19 disorders. Either way - failure to manage Covid 19 effectively is leading to the excess deaths.
For the it’s no big deal crowd, please also survey the 140,000 plus dead people (in only 4 months!) who have lost an average of 10 years of life before suggesting one favorable outcome describes the disorder.
I bleed maroon and gold. I am depressed that my 30th year of season tickets is going to consist of watching repeats of the 2019 season. But mostly, I am angry that the USA doesn’t have the leadership and will to deal with the pandemic. Hard to imagine playing football this fall when it won’t be until January that the national strategy can change.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
I fall victim to this myself but we need to restrain ourselves from the urge to unquestionably quote compilation sites like Worldometer, Johns Hopkins (those stats actually compiled by organization derived from writers - and sometimes storytellers -from The Atlantic magazine). The lag time; the non-uniformity in classifying COVID-caused vs COVID-associated; the known issues with states like NY, CO, FL being very messy with their statistics leads to us driving forward while looking into the rear view mirror by a number of weeks. The lag in testing results for example means the new infections being reported today likely occurred a few weeks ago and perhaps even longer in places like AZ or CA. We could already be past the peak in new infections, or going exponentially higher and be totally unaware. New hospital admissions are also a look back in time.

Maybe number of new tested with symptoms should be the new metric to follow, collected at testing centers. One more data point subject to human inefficiencies...
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I've seen on the Nightly News where (I think in AZ?) they're telling people you'll get your testing results in 7-14 days.

What a complete and total waste of time. Absolutely silly.

"Thanks for getting tested! Now go hide out in a bunker and don't come near any humans for 7-14 days, until you get your results. Oh any by the way, once you have your result, it will be completely worthless once you come into contact with another human again."
 

MplsGopher said:
I've seen on the Nightly News where (I think in AZ?) they're telling people you'll get your testing results in 7-14 days.

What a complete and total waste of time. Absolutely silly.

"Thanks for getting tested! Now go hide out in a bunker and don't come near any humans for 7-14 days, until you get your results. Oh any by the way, once you have your result, it will be completely worthless once you come into contact with another human again."
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Yep, the stats are so messy. Major failure on testing throughput, supply chains, PPE ongoing. Fault lies with political, business leaders that should have been able to predict this but have not responded effectively. The center cannot hold. This thing will autoregulate itself eventually but not until after a lot of unnecessary carnage and stress.
 


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