OK, this one brought me put of hibernation. I love the Gophs, and love Army as well. Yes, these games should count. It seems to me that they just decided that all Independent Schools in FBS should count. These are the only four I believe. So they selected as a group, not individual schools. Yes, Army's program has been down for a while. BUT... stay tuned. Seriously. Jeff Monken is the head coach now and he just finished his first season. He is what you expect in an Army coach... tough, disciplined, relentless, smart. Army just finished its best recruiting season that I can recall. And perhaps most importantly, the War on Terror (or at least the never-ending deployments) is winding down. If you think that the WOT didn't affect Army's fortunes significantly - you are crazy. HUGE advantage for Navy and Air Force. Why? Patriotism has been in favor. But walking through minefields and dodging IEDs? Not so much. Much easier to convince a mother that her son should be patriotic by riding in a submarine or purchasing airplane parts than dodging sniper fire in Kabul. That's changing with the drawdown. I guarantee you that if this staff stays at West Point, good things are in store for this Army program. And they will be an opponent not to take lightly. Additionally Army draws crowds vey, very well. That's especially true in SEC country. What school in the SEC does not have a major Army installation within easy driving distance? Yes, they should count the games! Beat Iowa, Beat Wisconsin, and Beat Navy!