Do you agree with Pitino's decisoin not to foul on the 3 pointers?

Do you agree with Pitino's decisoin not to foul on the 3 pointers?

  • Yes, you don't foul in that situation.

    Votes: 34 57.6%
  • No, that was a bad decision. You gotta foul.

    Votes: 25 42.4%

  • Total voters
    59
Last night's choice wasnt as easy as it would be at other times because of the situation.

#1. Gophers didnt have Elliason or King to help rebound.
#2. FSU wasthe much bigger team on the low post.
#3.The Gophers have struggled to rebound all year when healthy let alone last night.

Easy solution make free throws!
 

The after game interview of Pitino made me think that maybe it never even crossed Pitino's mind to foul in those situations.

I got the same impression, but the question was something like "Take us through the last possession on regulation and overtime" rather than a more direct "Did you consider fouling at the end of regulation or at the end of overtime?" so I am not sure that Pitino knew what he was getting at. I wish Fran had asked the more direct question, but he'd spent all night setting up Bobby to tell stories about the best weak side rebounder of missed 15 foot jumpers he ever coached so his ability to form a real question was probably shot by that point.
 

I'm on the don't foul side on most situations and especially last night. As others have mentioned FSU had the big size advantage and we struggle to rebound. The way the game was called last night also made it even easier for FSU to get offensive rebounds and FSU isn't a great 3 point shooting team so I take my chances with them making the shot although I thought the 3 at the end of regulation could have been defended a little better as Pitino kind of referenced in his interview.
 

The announcers were making it seem like it was a no brainer. It's not.

That crew said a lot of things last night. But acting like the only sane choice was to foul might have been the most irritating thing stated all evening. Time for Bob Knight to be put out to pasture. At one point he couldn't even distinguish the game clock from the shot clock. Awful, awful, awful.

In terms of what to do in that situation, I generally agree with Miles Tarver and mcal's posts - its a bigger risk than was perceived, especially with the size of FSU.
 

The purist in mean says never foul. We had a day's discussion in History of Sport 25 years ago at the U. It is against the rules to foul someone. So it really is cheating to foul at the end of the game to try and come back. Everyone does it, and you'd be dumb not to, but it is not in the spirit of the game.
 



Knight seemed to be going the way of Sid Hartman last night. Strange commentary. They discussed the ball hitting the referee and despite it last being touched by an FSU player prior to that he thought it should go to FSU. All odd.

Then when the Gophers were up by two at the end, they said if he misses, MN needs to foul. Made no sense. It was as if he got the teams mixed up a couple times.


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I'm thinking he was mixing whiskey in his Coke all night long. I got the feeling that those two were sitting around a campfire drinking whiskey and telling old war stories. It was really sad.
 

Some of you guys look to be pissed off after every game. I thought knight was funny, which was a good thing cause the game was painful to watch. Every sports writer is an idiot, every analyst is full of crap, every announcer sucks, etc etc. the game was terrible and we won.

I would have fouled on the screen and taken my chances after that. There's no right or wrong way unless you lose!
 

Some of you guys look to be pissed off after every game. I thought knight was funny, which was a good thing cause the game was painful to watch. Every sports writer is an idiot, every analyst is full of crap, every announcer sucks, etc etc. the game was terrible and we won.

I would have fouled on the screen and taken my chances after that. There's no right or wrong way unless you lose!

Great post, Moron.
 




These post game polls are nothing but bull. Advantage of hindsight to make people say "Bad decision".
 







Thank The Lord, I was concerned I would be up all night until you took it back.

Rub a little faster.

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If you don't foul the worst thing that happens is they make a 3 and you go into overtime. I understand they could make a 3 while getting fouled for the possibility of a 4 point play, but the probability of that happening is tiny.

On the other hand, if you foul you set yourself up at a decent chance of losing in regulation. If FSU makes the first FT, misses the second intentionally and gets the rebound (very possible with their size), and kicks it out to an open 3 pointer, you've just lost the game.

I think the 2nd way to lose is more likely to happen than the 1st. That's the main reason I'd rather not foul.
 

Need another option. As poor as the announcing crew was after a few pops between games, they did say that Pitino screwed up by not calling a timeout to organize how they would respond to a make or miss after he missed the first one. They were right. Richard all but said he thought there was no way he would miss both and so fouling would not be an issue. Richard's error was not communicating to his team what he wanted done at the end of the game if both free throws were missed.

I would say for sure foul at the end of the game, not so much in overtime. What torqued me off more than anything was allowing them to roll the ball for 2 plus seconds at the end of the game or OT, which made the difference in getting a shot off or not. All it took was a brief run up to the guy handling the ball.
 

Need another option. As poor as the announcing crew was after a few pops between games, they did say that Pitino screwed up by not calling a timeout to organize how they would respond to a make or miss after he missed the first one. They were right. Richard all but said he thought there was no way he would miss both and so fouling would not be an issue. Richard's error was not communicating to his team what he wanted done at the end of the game if both free throws were missed.

I would say for sure foul at the end of the game, not so much in overtime. What torqued me off more than anything was allowing them to roll the ball for 2 plus seconds at the end of the game or OT, which made the difference in getting a shot off or not. All it took was a brief run up to the guy handling the ball.

I noticed that after they hit the three, Richard looked like he was yelling at his assistants. Not trying to place the blame on the assistants, it is ultimately Richard's responsibility, but that's where having an experienced assistant would be nice. But yeah, I think everyone agrees Pitino needed to take a TO after the first miss.
 

Need another option. As poor as the announcing crew was after a few pops between games, they did say that Pitino screwed up by not calling a timeout to organize how they would respond to a make or miss after he missed the first one. They were right. Richard all but said he thought there was no way he would miss both and so fouling would not be an issue. Richard's error was not communicating to his team what he wanted done at the end of the game if both free throws were missed.

I would say for sure foul at the end of the game, not so much in overtime. What torqued me off more than anything was allowing them to roll the ball for 2 plus seconds at the end of the game or OT, which made the difference in getting a shot off or not. All it took was a brief run up to the guy handling the ball.

It's ironic that Richard thought Malik wouldn't miss both because he missed in both in the same situation in the win vs Purdue, just got away with it that time. If not fouling is the philosophy than make sure the D is set. It's crazy that he thought it was impossible to Smith to miss both considering their was precedent
 

we all agree it's complicated

If you don't foul the worst thing that happens is they make a 3 and you go into overtime. I understand they could make a 3 while getting fouled for the possibility of a 4 point play, but the probability of that happening is tiny.

On the other hand, if you foul you set yourself up at a decent chance of losing in regulation. If FSU makes the first FT, misses the second intentionally and gets the rebound (very possible with their size), and kicks it out to an open 3 pointer, you've just lost the game.

I think the 2nd way to lose is more likely to happen than the 1st. That's the main reason I'd rather not foul.

your scenario is true if you foul on the inbounds but fouling on the dribble there wouldn't be time for that..
2nd point...ever practice missing a free throw? it's not a given by any means...not easy to do with any skill for most people plus you really don't want to screw your shooters up practicing it
3rd Mo and Oto are reasonably decent size...they have the inside spots...if it's so easy to get an offensive rebound on a free throw when people are concentrating on blocking out I'd think I'd see it more.... can it happen? absolutely...but it's way more likely if you practice doing it and Fl St didn't even line up on most free throws, let alone have it as a strength or a "game" screen across or go back side or come from the top...you gotta practice that stuff to execute it with any percentage...promise Florida State does not
 


Codger Knight says no doubt you foul. So the guy makes 2 throws and we lead by one. Then they steal the inbounds and win it with a lay in. Orrrr, they miss the 2nd (maybe they have a Malik Smith) and they get the rebound. It is not a sure bet.
 

For those who missed the obvious.....you do not foul

Here is a sabermetrics analysis of why its better NOT TO FOUL if you are up 3. It looks as if Pitino was right not to foul. *Here is a situation where conventional wisdom (even Bobby Knight) are apparently wrong. Prior to looking this up tonight I had no idea on this so I was unbiased. I actually thought it would be better to foul until I looked this up.
Yet another study about fouling when up 3
by Ken Pomeroy on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

I’m a little late to the party on discussing the fouling-up-3 strategy, but for a while I’ve been wanting to interrogate play-by-play data to get a handle on the approach. Not that it matters, but I’ve believed it usually makes sense to foul in these situations and it’s been heartening to see that analysts across the sport have embraced the idea. Contrast that with old-school baseball folks that still struggle accepting that a sacrifice bunt is usually a bad idea despite a large amount of analytical work that backs it up.

While a consensus has formed that fouling is a good idea, there’s always been this nagging piece by John Ezekowitz that has been ignored in these discussions. I’ll admit I was not comfortable with the findings from that piece that indicate playing honest defense has been a more successful approach in the past, but John isn’t one to just go contrarian for the sake of it, so I always thought it should be taken seriously. However, given my nature as a control freak, I’ve wanted to sift through the data myself, and the recent attention given to this issue provided motivation to do that.

I chose to use slightly different assumptions than John. I flagged all possessions at the end of the second half or overtime period where a team trailing by 3 took possession of the ball with between five and 12 seconds left. Then I recorded what happened in that possession (foul/no foul) and whether the game was won or lost by the leading team in regulation, or if the game went to an extra period. The period of record here is every game since the 2009-10 season. First, the results...
W L OT Win% Cases
Foul 122 5 8 93.3 135
Defend 589 2 75 94.1 666
Foul-3 9 0 4 84.6 13


Foul cases represent two-shot opportunities, or fewer in the case of a bonus situation. (The flaw in this approach is that there will be the occasional two-shot shooting foul included here. Still, I can justify this a bit because those cases provide a good simulation of truly fouling in that case.) And-ones are assumed to be Defend cases. Foul-3 represents cases where a team was fouled on a three-pointer and shot three free throws. I’ve broken these out in the table above, but like John, I went back and determined which cases occurred as the result of trying to foul, and which cases occurred when trying to honestly defend. Two Three of the 13 cases occurred when trying to foul and both involved an extra period. (The famous Xavier-Kansas State game on 3/25/10, Denver-Arkansas Little Rock on 1/2/11, and Arizona-Florida on 12/7/11 [Updated to add Florida case, 3/1/13]). After cleaning up those cases, this is what the output looks like...
W L OT Win% Cases
Foul 122 5 11 92.0 138
Defend 598 2 76 93.5 676


The winning percentage here is computed as (W+0.5*OT) divided by Cases so no value judgments are made on what happens in the subsequent overtime. The leading team is assumed to have a 50/50 shot to win if the game goes into the extra period. According to my records 48 of the 87 overtime games (55%) were won by the team coming back to tie it. I’m skeptical whether that’s real, but using that figure for OT games, the defenders win 93.4% of the time and foulers win 92.3% of the time.

These results are largely consistent with what Ezekowitz found. Based on my assumptions, defending has surprisingly worked out to be a slightly better strategy over the past three-plus seasons. I’ll try to explain why, but first I think it should be obvious why it might appear that fouling is better. There are 79 cases of something bad happening when a team chose to defend to just fifteen for the foulers. You don’t have to look hard to find cases of a team hitting a three in the closing seconds to force overtime. It happens almost every weekend.

Ben Brust’s heave against Michigan was the latest example of this, and you can’t now re-run the play with Michigan fouling. So all we have is Michigan failing by not fouling. Therefore, people assume fouling is better. (The fact that Michigan had fouls to give complicates the analysis in this case, but some have suggested the Wolverines should have kept fouling before the throw-in until Wisconsin went to the line.) However, we don’t account for the fact that because fouling is attempted so rarely, fouling screw-ups are much more rare in total number.

The other thing is, game-tying shots aren’t losses - they only send the game to overtime. In fact, the chance of an “insta-loss” from defending is remote. It’s only happened twice in 677 cases through last Wednesday, both on four-point plays (Rutgers over Villanova on 2/9/11 and Idaho State over Sacramento State on 1/14/12).

Insta-losses are still rare in the fouling cases, but relatively speaking, they are significantly more likely. (See Appendix A for a complete list of cases since the 2009-10 season.) One of the differences in my study from John’s is that I don’t require the flagged possession to be the last one of the game for the trailing team. This is one of the drawbacks of fouling that needs to be considered and introduces a much higher chance of the insta-loss.

As an example, take the game between the Utah Valley Wolverines and the North Dakota Fightin’ North Dakotans on 1/20/11. NDFND was up 3 and chose to foul UVU late in the 3rd overtime. UVU made both free throws with three seconds left, and then NDFND had trouble inbounding the ball. They called a time-out. They didn’t have any left. UVU made one of the two technicals to force a fourth OT. Now you might say that kind of mistake is preventable with enough practice, but it’s equally true that mistakes happen, and mistakes (both by the players and the officials) need to be considered when implementing a strategy. I might say after NDFND’s blunder, they were lucky to avoid the insta-loss since one of the technical free throws was missed. The possibility, though remote, of an extra possession makes a difference here. (The 11 OT cases after fouling are listed in Appendix B.)

Another reason the fouling strategy isn’t as useful as one would think is that teams really stink at three-pointers when the defense knows they need one and there is a significant time constraint. In the 814 cases studied, teams made 98 out of 608 three-point shots (16.1%) during the possession in question. Basically, assume a player is about half as effective as normal in hitting threes when his team is down three facing a limited clock. He might even be worse since it’s possible these shots were skewed towards more effective shooters.

For all the focus on Brust’s shot, there were 12 other cases that fit my parameters on Saturday. In the ten non-foul cases, teams missed all seven three-point attempts and committed three turnovers - and nobody forced overtime. Focusing on the one case ignores the larger percentages in play here. Michigan was extremely unlucky. (Just to be clear Wisconsin’s possession wouldn’t be included in my study since it started with less than five seconds on the clock. My reason for doing this was to avoid skewing the three-point percentage even lower. Presumably, with five or more seconds left, there’s time to get a better look than Brust did.)

Also, teams are better at getting offensive rebounds on free throws when they absolutely need one and therefore no regard for the opponents getting an easy fast break going the other way. Normally, free throw misses result in about a 15-20% offensive rebounding rate. But in 96 cases of a reboundable free throw in the possessions studied, trailing teams got 39 of them for a rebounding percentage of 40.6. (Each of the 39 cases is listed in Appendix C.)

Throw in those issues along with the possibility of an extra possession, then consider the chances of a foul on a three-pointer in a normal defense, and the historical odds tilt towards not fouling. In fact, I’d also guess that there’s some selection bias in the fouling cases. I'd presume that the cases where the foul option was chosen tend to skew towards optimal situations - the opponents have good three-point shooters or poor offensive rebounders - and even then, fouling can’t be shown to be the best move. It appears that in the average case, it’s better to defend, even if the chances of overtime are higher.

The fact is, chances of losing are close to remote in either case, but execution errors, an inflated offensive rebounding percentage, poor three-point shooting, and the chance of an extra possession are enough to counteract what might otherwise be the advantage of forcing a team to shoot free throws. In cases where the opponent has multiple good three-point shooters and you have confidence in rebounding a missed free throw, fouling may be the better option. But it appears the default decision should be to not foul.

One final note here. Some people might say there’s a definitive conclusion in this. After all, there are over 800 cases. But because there are so few cases of failure, that’s a misrepresentation of the sample size. The fact is, we could use an additional 5-10 years of data before making a definitive statement. Even then, tweaks in the methodology can get you closer to one answer or the other.

However, I think that says something about how difficult it is to determine the proper strategy. To me, the only conclusion one can make is that the criticism of coaches that choose to defend appears to be misplaced. A small percentage of the time you’ll get burned no matter what you choose to do. We will continue to see teams make game-tying threes near the end of games more often than they get fouled simply because more coaches choose this strategy. In the long run, it’s difficult to prove it's a bad idea.

Appendix A: The insta-losses

The stories behind the seven insta-losses since the 2009-10 season are below.

12/21/2009 Arizona over Lipscomb (FOUL): Nic Wise was fouled with five seconds left. He made both, and Arizona subsequently fouled Lipscomb and Adam Hodzic made one of two. Then this happened.

1/4/2010 Florida over N.C. State. (FOUL): N.C. State was up 3 on Florida and fouled with five seconds left. For whatever reason, Erving Walker made both free throws despite Florida being out of time-outs. Florida immediately fouled Javy Gonzalez. Then this happened. I’ll grant you it’s a little unfair to include this in the foul bin, but it was a case where a team chose to foul and insta-lost. In fairness, also please consider the Kansas State-Colorado and Creighton-Iowa State cases in Appendix C where the fouling team was lucky not to insta-lose.

2/13/2010 Cal St. Northridge over Fullerton St. (FOUL): Northridge was up 3 when they fouled Gerard Anderson with four seconds left. Anderson made the first and missed the second. Teammate Eric Williams grabbed the rebound, made a layup and was fouled. He converted the free throw for the 113-112 win.

3/16/2010 Jacksonville over Arizona State (FOUL): With ten seconds left, Jacksonville’s Chris Edwards made two free throws. Jacksonville fouled Derek Glasser, who made one of two free throws with nine seconds left, then Ben Smith hit a three with three seconds left for the 67-66 win.

2/9/2011 Rutgers over Villanova (DEFEND): Jonathan Mitchell was fouled hitting a three for Rutgers with one second left and converted the free throw for a 77-76 win.

1/14/2012 Rice over Tulane (FOUL): Tulane fouled Connor Frizzelle with four seconds left. He made the first free throw, missed the second, and the rebound went out of bounds off of Rice. Frizzelle hit a three at the buzzer for a 50-49 win.

1/14/2012 Idaho State over Sacramento State (DEFEND): Kenny McGowen was fouled hitting a three for Idaho State with eight seconds left. He made the free throw for the 68-67 win.

Appendix B: OT cases after fouling

There were 11 12 cases where a fouling team went to OT.

2/11/10 Northern Arizona-Idaho State: NAU’s Julian Olubuyi went to the line with six seconds left, made the first, missed the second, and the rebound went out of bounds off Idaho State. DeAngelo Jones converted a layup to force overtime.

3/14/10 Kentucky-Mississippi State: Maybe the most famous case of the fouling strategy backfiring. Eric Bledsoe had two free throws with three seconds left, made the first, missed the second, and overtime was forced on a Demarcus Cousins put back of a John Wall miss. (Video)

3/25/10 Xavier-Kansas State: With K-State trying to foul Xavier, Terrell Holloway was able to launch a three as the whistle sounded with 5.0 seconds left. He made all three free throws to force overtime.

1/1/11 Milwaukee-Detroit: Milwaukee’s Tone Boyle was fouled with five seconds left and made both free throws. Milwaukee promptly fouled Ray McCallum, who made both of his free throws. Milwaukee’s Kaylon WIlliams responded with a 30-footer at the buzzer to force overtime.

1/2/11 Arkansas Little Rock-Denver: With 4.4 seconds left Denver tried to give a foul, but UALR’s Solomon Bozeman launched a shot on the whistle and got three free throws. He missed the first and made the next two. UALR then fouled Denver’s Travis Hallam with 2.6 seconds left and he made both free throws. After a wild throw-in that went out of bounds off Denver, UALR’s Alex Garcia-Mendoza hit a contested three at the buzzer to force overtime. (Video)

1/20/11 Utah Valley-North Dakota: Described in the main article

2/19/11 Tulane-Marshall: Tulane’s Trent Rogers was fouled with 3.2 seconds left. He made the first, missed the second, but Marshall’s DeAndre Kane traveled after grabbing the rebound. On the subsequent inbounds, Rogers was fouled on a three-point attempt and made two free throws to force overtime.

12/1/11 IUPUI-South Dakota State: IUPUI’s Sean Esposito was fouled with five seconds left. He made the first, missed the second, but teammate Alex Young grabbed the rebound. He was fouled on his putback attempt and made both free throws to force overtime.

12/7/11 Arizona-Florida: Casey Prather fouled Solomon Hill, who "flailed his arms" to draw a shooting foul. Hill made all three free throws to force OT.

12/19/11 Colgate-Dartmouth: Colgate’s Mitch Rolls was fouled with 3.5 seconds left. He made the first, missed the second, but teammate Sterling Melville grabbed the rebound and was fouled with 2.7 seconds left. He made both free throws and forced overtime.

11/18/12 Valparaiso-Kent State: Valpo’s Erik Buggs was fouled with four seconds left. He made the first, missed the second, but Kevin Van Wijk got the rebound and converted the put-back to force overtime.

1/24/13 Troy-Arkansas State: Troy’s Antoine Myers was fouled with six seconds left. He missed the front end of the one-and-one, but the rebound went out of bounds off Arkansas State. Emil Jones made a three with 1.7 seconds left to force overtime.

Appendix C

Listed here are the 39 cases where a missed free throw was rebounded by the offense in foul situations. (Rebounding/trailing team listed first, * indicates team was successful in tying or leading game but still lost in regulation on subsequent possession, ** indicates team attempted 3-pointer after the offensive rebound.)

11/18/09 Stanford*-Oral Roberts
11/24/09 Texas Tech-Stephen F. Austin
2/3/10 Mississippi State-Vanderbilt
2/6/10 IPFW-Centenary
2/10/10 Rhode Island**-Richmond
2/10/10 Tulane**-East Carolina
2/13/10 Cal St. Fullerton-Cal St. Northridge (W)
2/13/10 Northern Arizona-Idaho State (OT)
2/15/10 Morgan State**-South Carolina State
2/16/10 Houston**-Central Florida
2/22/10 UMES-Morgan State
2/26/10 Manhattan-Niagara
3/1/10 Georgia Southern-UNC Greensboro
3/14/10 Kentucky-Mississippi State (OT)

11/12/10 Samford**-Youngstown State
11/14/10 Sacramento State-Cal St. Bakersfield
11/21/10 Creighton*-Iowa State (Creighton tied the game after Antoine Young rebounded his own missed free throw and made two free throws after being fouled again. Iowa State’s Jamie Vanderbeken responded with a 30-footer at the buzzer to preserve the win for Iowa State. However from the video, the shot appears to be launched after the buzzer. The game was not televised so there was not an opportunity to review it.)
12/20/10 UNC Wilmington**-Illinois State
12/22/10 Colgate-Albany
1/1/11 New Mexico**-Dayton
1/27/11 Iona-Rider
2/12/11 Kansas State***-Colorado (The triple asterisk here was because K-State did shoot - and make - a three-pointer after the offensive rebound, which was ruled good. But a replay review overturned the call. Recap.)
2/13/11 Sacramento State-Montana State
2/19/11 La Salle - George Washington
3/10/11 Washington State-Washington
3/11/11 Grambling-Jackson State (OT)
3/18/11 Memphis-Arizona

12/1/11 IUPUI-South Dakota State (OT)
12/19/11 Dartmouth-Colgate (OT)
1/13/12 Columbia**-Penn
1/14/12 Tulane**-Rice (W)
1/21/12 Cal**-Washington State
1/29/12 UConn-Notre Dame
2/6/12 Oklahoma**-Missouri
3/3/12 IPFW-Oral Roberts
3/6/12 Coppin State-Florida A&M
3/13/12 Akron**-Northwestern

11/18/12 Valparaiso-Kent State (OT)
1/24/13 Troy-Arkansas State (OT)
 

Millionstospare, you have too much time on your hands. Both options are correct and both options are wrong depending on the outcome of the game. There is more than one way to skin a cat. We didn't foul and we went to overtime and won. Who cares at this point? Some of you guys need to go outside and meet a lady
 


It's ironic that Richard thought Malik wouldn't miss both because he missed in both in the same situation in the win vs Purdue, just got away with it that time.

Ha, I thought I remembered that, just couldn't remember which game. But yeah, you're right!

Jeez, 0-4 in that situation. SMH
 

I'm in the foul if it's about 6 seconds or less camp. The danger is trusting your players are smart enough not to allow the guy to get into his shooting motion.
 

I don't think any of the statistical analyses can provide a bright line rule, because there are too many variables.

For example, if I have a team full of quick and long perimeter defenders (or that's what's left at the end of the game, anyway) that would push my preference toward defending the 3.

If my team's strength was a big, thick front line that were rebounding beasts (and if the other team had a deadly shooter with a knack for making contested shots at crunch time, like say Napier of UConn), then maybe I'd want to foul and put them on the line instead.
 

Also, the analyses that use NBA data can be misleading for the college game. The NBA rule allowing you to advance the ball to the other team's zone with a timeout changes end-of-game strategy significantly. (I hate the NBA rule, but that's another topic).

If somebody fouled me up 3 with just a few seconds left and I still had a TO left, I'd tell my guy just to make the FT's, foul immediately on the in-bound, then we'd still have another shot in their end.
 

A little off-topic here (but hasn't the topic run its course?). I am wondering exactly what the rule is on fouling before a ball is put into play. If a team can just hammer the other team's worst free throw shooter, why doesn't every team do this all the time? FSU fouled more than once before the inbound, taking no time off the clock. Is there some sort of "intentional" foul part of the rule? But isn't it easy just to "accidentally" trip and knock someone over?

Somewhat related, what was that dude doing by pulling on Mathieu's shorts? It didn't appear to be an intentional foul, because it was done sort of "on the sly." What was he doing?
 




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