Do you agree with Pitino's decisoin not to foul on the 3 pointers?

Do you agree with Pitino's decisoin not to foul on the 3 pointers?

  • Yes, you don't foul in that situation.

    Votes: 34 57.6%

  • No, that was a bad decision. You gotta foul.

    Votes: 25 42.4%
  • Total voters
    59
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Do you agree with Pitino's decisoin not to foul on the 3 pointers?
 

If a guy's got a policy, then stick to it. If he's a "not foul" guy, then so be it. I personally disagree, but if that's his deal, then coach it up and force them to take bad threes, which they did the 2nd time around.
 

Is there an in-between?

It's obviously smart to foul at that juncture but I think it's a cheap way out and hate to see it when I'm watching a game between two teams I don't care about.
 

Considering how much more bigger and athletic FSU was then us, I'm completely ok with not fouling. A miss on purpose on a 2nd FT with FSU's big men was not a given that we could rebound the ball by any means
 

The after game interview of Pitino made me think that maybe it never even crossed Pitino's mind to foul in those situations.
 



Miles Tarver said:
Considering how much more bigger and athletic FSU was then us, I'm completely ok with not fouling. A miss on purpose on a 2nd FT with FSU's big men was not a given that we could rebound the ball by any means
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That's actually a good point, one I didn't consider. I could see it now, we foul. Make the first, they miss the 2nd on purpose and then get a putback along with an "And 1" cause we're undersized haha.
 


If I were coach in these situations I would just make that decision based on how well my team was doing on the glass, doing good=foul bad=no foul
 



The announcers were making it seem like it was a no brainer. It's not.
 

PTalberg said:
If I were coach in these situations I would just make that decision based on how well my team was doing on the glass, doing good=foul bad=no foul
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The other chance you have fouling is actually losing the game to the made 3 with the foul. To prevent that you can foul early but then the game isn't over. It's a tougher decision than the announcers make it out to be.
 

Monty519 said:
That's actually a good point, one I didn't consider. I could see it now, we foul. Make the first, they miss the 2nd on purpose and then get a putback along with an "And 1" cause we're undersized haha.
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I don't know how much goes into it, but FSU could have had three 7-footers out there. Whatever side Mo is on you try to miss to the other, and bam, HUGE mismatch. I'm sure it's easier said then done, but I'll take my chances with a rushed contested three.
 

Not sure how much was conscious or how much was FSU not giving the Gophers the opportunity. Once you're not able to get the foul on the inbounds, you have to take your chances on defense.
 



The only - and I mean ONLY - comment made by the idiots who were covering the game tonight that didn't make me want to punch whoever said it was made by Knight when he said Rich Pit should have called timeout after Malik missed the first free throw at the end of regulation. He should have done that and told the kids what to do under either scenario - most likely NOT foul in either case, but especially don't foul on a 3 point attempt, like Malik nearly did.
 


It appears that Bob and his circus act buddies got into your head. I think you should foul but first get an agreement with the opposing coach that, in the final 54 seconds of the first half a player can only shoot free throws from the top of the key and that in the final 68 seconds of regulation time a player must shoot free throws over his head facing the opponents' basket on the other end of the court. In overtime a player must shoot free throws from behind the basket unless more than two of his team members have the first name Tyrone and he has more than 15 yards in penalties in his past five games that he played in which case he is allowed to $#it himself.




















Tyrone and[/I]payers can onltell the opposing coach that his team is limited to one and a half
Stan said:
Do you agree with Pitino's decisoin not to foul on the 3 pointers?
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What did they make, 3 layups in the last 30 seconds?

That's the strategy that drove me crazy. We made the free throw. They spread the floor and dribble the length of the court
in like four seconds and score an easy layup. And they foul us and we do it all over again. We miss free throws. They make layups. Lots of ways to defend. Zone is one way they shouldn't get a four second layup. Make them earn their points. No threes, no layups. At least a foul, yes the clock stops, but they scoring a layup in four seconds anyway. Play defense, if the ref surprises with a foul, then the guy has to make both free throws which is harder than a layup. Not suggesting you contest the layup for and one. Shouldn't get that far. Play defense.

Like somebody else said: you can't just say foul....you have to practice this stuff. You have to teach the ways you can lose, the things you can't do....in practice. If it ain't your thing...you are not being aggressive. You are playing not to lose, hoping they miss. Lots of ways to lose. I'd prefer to be in control...versus praying they miss a three. But this was more complicated
too, I agree. My thinking no way we win in overtime. But I was wrong.

We won!!!
 


They were 4-14 on 3s before the last shot of regulation and 4-17 before the last shot of overtime. With those percentages, I like my chances of not fouling.

I don't think there's a cut and dry answer to this question. There are a lot of variables that make it a case-by-case decision.
 

I agree with it in most cases. A team making a rushed 3 with the other team guarding the line will make what, 5% of the shots.

If you foul, you either:

-Have to wait and let them get into the front court and risk them heaving it up when you do, getting 3 FT's or a 4 point play

-Foul immediately as Knight was suggesting, leaving 10 seconds on the clock. Even if they don't make one and get the rebound, there's still time to foul you again and repeat the entire scenario.

All in all there's a lot more time/chances for things to go wrong in the second case than giving them one very difficult shot. Who the other team is effects it. If they have a bunch of great shooters, maybe you foul. FSU was a big team with terrible shooters, and we were playing small. Letting them have a shot at an offensive rebound is playing into their hands.
 


Glad we didn't foul. I have seen it work, but not a fan of it.
 

The way the game was being officiated
The cast of charecters we were playing with
The overall size of the opposing team and their proven ability to out rebound us all game long
My general distrust of 18-22 yr olds ability to foul at exactly the right time

All the above make me agree with coach Pitino. If we are in the NBA I might sing a different tune where your reffing is a bit more consistent and the player are more prepared for that situation. I think just so many things could go wrong when you attempt to foul. I agree that you cannot leave an open look at a three as the alternative, you gotta put up a good defense, which I think we did on both shots, they were highly contested.

I'll go down with my boys playing the game rather than standing around a free throw line every time.
 


This wouldnt have ever been a poll if it werent for Knight contantly giving his .02. That was some of the worst commentary i have ever sat through during a game. I dont think Knight said one thing related to the game until the last few minutes of the game. Who really cares what the heck he did 20 years ago when he was relevant. Hope ESPN learned their lesson...

I did think it was impressive how the Gophs persevered through their foul trouble with the bigs! I felt like it was only a matter of time before the size got the best of them and somehow they held their own enough for a victory.
 

Knight seemed to be going the way of Sid Hartman last night. Strange commentary. They discussed the ball hitting the referee and despite it last being touched by an FSU player prior to that he thought it should go to FSU. All odd.

Then when the Gophers were up by two at the end, they said if he misses, MN needs to foul. Made no sense. It was as if he got the teams mixed up a couple times.


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can I have a third option? I choose to make a free throw so that it doesn't matter.

Lil Dre gets the inbounds pass with 14 seconds left, 2 or 3 passes later, we are doing a nice job of keepaway so they can't foul us, until Malik touches it. With two people open, he hangs onto it for no reason.
 


bga1 said:
The other chance you have fouling is actually losing the game to the made 3 with the foul. To prevent that you can foul early but then the game isn't over. It's a tougher decision than the announcers make it out to be.
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I think the idea was to foul on the floor before the shot so it results in only 2 shots not 3 and we (hopefully) get the ball back and either run the clock out or get fouled again and make 2 ourselves again. For the record though I like the decision to not foul.
 

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