Do College Football Refs Have It In for Your Team?

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“This is an incestuous situation,” says Rhett Brymer, a business management professor at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio. He spent more than a year parsing almost 39,000 fouls called in games involving NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision teams in the 2012-2015 seasons. His research finds “ample evidence of biases among conference officials,” including “conference officials showing partiality towards teams with the highest potential to generate revenue for their conference.”

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It doesn't seem like they cover non calls.

Because as we know opposing OL almost never hold our guys....
 


Does it take into account that coaches coach and players play around gray areas that put officials in spots to make calls?

Does it take into account dropped passes, turnovers, sacks, bad plays etc?

Is the assumption that the teams are playing a perfect game outside of these calls?

Sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory around human nature. Vegas sets a bias by setting a spread. Records of teams set a bias. Stats set a bias. It's all part of a human game.

Want to eliminate some of the issues? Go to 6 teams in the playoff and give automatic bid to Conference Champions and Best Group of 5 team. Every conference has 1 shot at making the $ in the playoff setting and each conference gets exposure.

Then base bowls strictly on conference finish after that.
 


MaxyJR1 said:
Sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory around human nature. Vegas sets a bias by setting a spread. Records of teams set a bias. Stats set a bias. It's all part of a human game.
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Errr, but Vegas isn't SUPPOSED to be impartial...

Vegas isn't enforcing the rules of the game.
 

Just shocked I tell you, shocked by this revelation. It's been pretty evident over my years as a season ticket holder, Big 10 officials favor the teams and programs that have the potential to generate the most revenue for the conference. Never was it more apparent than the fourth quarter of the Michigan game when they started hitting on some plays and making that comeback. Tons of hold on those screen plays but nevertheless if AAK doesn't throw that pick to the Michigan linebacker that game would not have ended the way it did.
 

Iowa's Holding fest, picked up flag on Mitch's chin re-arangement at OSU...... We certainly haven't helped ourselves, but it seems that we've had our share of head scratchers go against us.
 

Teams at the bottom rung of the Conference, never get the calls but teams ARE at the bottom because they never get the calls. Makes sense to me.
 



balds said:
Iowa's Holding fest, picked up flag on Mitch's chin re-arangement at OSU...... We certainly haven't helped ourselves, but it seems that we've had our share of head scratchers go against us.
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Dont forget Michigan's clear offsides no-call on the last play.....three D-lineman were a full helmet past the ball

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Gopher028 said:
Dont forget Michigan's clear offsides no-call on the last play.....three D-lineman were a full helmet past the ball
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And we got called for that twice against Wisconsin this year. Center moves ball forward and voila! we're offside.
 


The worst ever: when we had Penn St. beat after a great 4th down pass knockdown; and JoPa starts screaming for PI; the ref. throws a flag about 5 seconds after the play is over. We go on to lose of course.
 



Are you telling me that Michael Jordan was actually guilty of traveling?
 

VACTERL said:
Errr, but Vegas isn't SUPPOSED to be impartial...

Vegas isn't enforcing the rules of the game.
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Meaning are fans biased into thinking they were screwed based on being an underdog?


Also like they said in the article, were the calls wrong, egregious, or the right call? Officials get one look at calling a foul on a live play.



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LesBolstad said:
The worst ever: when we had Penn St. beat after a great 4th down pass knockdown; and JoPa starts screaming for PI; the ref. throws a flag about 5 seconds after the play is over. We go on to lose of course.
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The official that threw that flag was from Minnesota. I had his nephew in class the following Monday and I asked the student, "Hey, can you relay a message to your uncle for me?" Kid says, "Sure." Tell him, "Nice call!"
Kid replies....."Yeah, I'm pretty sure my mom already took care of that for you."
 

Unregistered User said:
“This is an incestuous situation,” says Rhett Brymer, a business management professor at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio. He spent more than a year parsing almost 39,000 fouls called in games involving NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision teams in the 2012-2015 seasons. His research finds “ample evidence of biases among conference officials,” including “conference officials showing partiality towards teams with the highest potential to generate revenue for their conference.”

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Is it merely confirmation bias that this is evidence of what has been quite "apparent" for a very long time?

That Leidner "no-target" at OSU last year was probably the most egregious example of this I can ever remember; however, to say the Gophers seemed to get the short end of the stick from Big Ten and B1G officials over the years - at least in the two major sports - seems an understatement.
 


LesBolstad said:
The worst ever: when we had Penn St. beat after a great 4th down pass knockdown; and JoPa starts screaming for PI; the ref. throws a flag about 5 seconds after the play is over. We go on to lose of course.
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Jesus that was terrible. Just awful.
 

Buck_Buchanan said:
I'd also add that Leach has some interesting ideas / proposals in regard to officials. 3 minute clip and interesting nonetheless. https://youtu.be/CLvWkr_gWeg
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Good stuff. The Big Ten does all of this to some extent. Pay is an issue and I like the idea of traveling more around the country.

Missouri Valley and MAC is the Big Ten farm system. They have the same advisor.


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There's no question there are issues with officiating. The question particularly in the more egregious cases is whether the bad call or non-call was due to inattention, poor sight line, bias, inompetence, bias, or malfeasance.

I've long thought a show that had a medical grand rounds approach to this problem would get huge ratings. A weekly restropection and dissection of the more controversial calls from around the league. Former officials break down film from different angles, offer explanations or indictments, etc. It would be educational for fans, bring more pressure on officials to call a straight game, and possibly expose serial offenders for increased scrutiny. It would also be vigorously opposed by the league administrations, as they want to project an air of competence.

It cannot be dismissed that there are enormous financial incentives involved in sports. Whether gambling is involved, or deep-pocketed boosters slipping money, etc the possibility for nefariousness is always present. It would be foolish to totally dismiss the possibility.

Personally, I think some just aren't very good at their jobs. We've all seen too much.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
There's no question there are issues with officiating. The question particularly in the more egregious cases is whether the bad call or non-call was due to inattention, poor sight line, bias, inompetence, bias, or malfeasance.

I've long thought a show that had a medical grand rounds approach to this problem would get huge ratings. A weekly restropection and dissection of the more controversial calls from around the league. Former officials break down film from different angles, offer explanations or indictments, etc. It would be educational for fans, bring more pressure on officials to call a straight game, and possibly expose serial offenders for increased scrutiny. It would also be vigorously opposed by the league administrations, as they want to project an air of competence.

It cannot be dismissed that there are enormous financial incentives involved in sports. Whether gambling is involved, or deep-pocketed boosters slipping money, etc the possibility for nefariousness is always present. It would be foolish to totally dismiss the possibility.

Personally, I think some just aren't very good at their jobs. We've all seen too much.
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They made a big step when they started having a ref in the studio to comment on plays.

Another thing to note is that every game is not equal with the number of camera angles. I watched a game last week that only had angles from one side of the field and they were trying to review feet for a catch on complete opposite side of field. Cameras have different angles from the officials often.

No doubt they need to tweak the officiating system.


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MaxyJR1 said:
They made a big step when they started having a ref in the studio to comment on plays.

Another thing to note is that every game is not equal with the number of camera angles. I watched a game last week that only had angles from one side of the field and they were trying to review feet for a catch on complete opposite side of field. Cameras have different angles from the officials often.

No doubt they need to tweak the officiating system.


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I think the ref in studio mostly helps with correcting misunderstandings ... by fans and the commentators when the refs are actually right.
 

If there is any doubt there is the spectre of cheating and bribery going on in all sports one need look only at the scandals that have rocked the Paralympic Games, of all things. Just google Paralympic scandals...the hearts of men are weak.

The Sydney Paralympic games in 2000 were rocked by revelations that 10 of the 12 gold medal-winning Spanish men's basketball team players were not mentally disabled.

It takes a special kind of chutzpah to field a team of healthy athletes to takes advantage of the disabled.

"The final team did comprise two players with IQs below 70 as required, but the other 10 posed as mentally disabled players with the help of fake medical certificates they were provided with."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...isabled-win-Paralympic-gold-guilty-fraud.html
 

Pompous Elitist said:
If there is any doubt there is the spectre of cheating and bribery going on in all sports one need look only at the scandals that have rocked the Paralympic Games, of all things. Just google Paralympic scandals...the hearts of men are weak.

The Sydney Paralympic games in 2000 were rocked by revelations that 10 of the 12 gold medal-winning Spanish men's basketball team players were not mentally disabled.

It takes a special kind of chutzpah to field a team of healthy athletes to takes advantage of the disabled.

"The final team did comprise two players with IQs below 70 as required, but the other 10 posed as mentally disabled players with the help of fake medical certificates they were provided with."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...isabled-win-Paralympic-gold-guilty-fraud.html
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I don't doubt there is a lot of cheating as far as paying players, recruiting stuff, paying families.

I'm sure some folks have paid off refs here or there.... I'm just not so sure it is as bad as the international sports situations. Many of those situations the individual orgnizations actually police themselves entirely so cheating is pretty easy.
 


I think some of Huggins Cincinnati teams could have qualified for those Paralympic Games.
 

when I was coached, and what I am coaching to 5th & 6th graders is life is not fair. You have to embrace the anything you think is unfair and overcome it. The gym is too hot, the floor is too slick, the refs don't like us are excuses and will not effect our execution. The gym is too hot, we love it. Its hot for the other team. The floor is too slick, spray on some shoe tack. The other team can use the slick floor. The refs don't like us. Chase down loose balls, and hand it to the ref. Play the next play better. The game is a test of our talent, ability, and execution. The opponent is only out there to measure us. If we overcome and embrace problems we are all better.
 

husker70 said:
when I was coached, and what I am coaching to 5th & 6th graders is life is not fair. You have to embrace the anything you think is unfair and overcome it. The gym is too hot, the floor is too slick, the refs don't like us are excuses and will not effect our execution. The gym is too hot, we love it. Its hot for the other team. The floor is too slick, spray on some shoe tack. The other team can use the slick floor. The refs don't like us. Chase down loose balls, and hand it to the ref. Play the next play better. The game is a test of our talent, ability, and execution. The opponent is only out there to measure us. If we overcome and embrace problems we are all better.
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*thumbs up*
 


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