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I suspect most of these folks are trolling. Yes leidner was bad, but anybody who doesn't acknowledge what we accomplished this season is stupid or messing with us


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MaroonGold1 said:
In what way? You are comfortable with this next season? You think it's acceptable for a division 1 football team competing for a Big10 title not to be able to attempt a pass on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 9 from their own 25 w/ 3:30 left, trailing by 10?

It's absolutely pathetic. This was a really good team this season, and the QB play was absolutely atrocious.
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I don't think ML7 is good. However, I know he is our best option right now and this notion that we just plug in this freshman, or that freshman, give em all a shot, go get a JuCo, etc., etc. is out of touch. Trust me when I say that if you see something, our coaches do too. Trust me when I say they want to win more than you. It just isn't as easy as you and some others make it sound.
 

dont think anyone is asking for kills head, it was a game for the taking, sorry we want better but this was going to be a tough game, we wanted to stop the run, and wi qb looked like rodgers out there
 

I stand with this statement.
CoMn said:
Amazing that we were up at halftime….our team rocks. We were playing for the championship after the mess Brewster left us in. We were in this game to the last five minutes. What an awesome season. How can anyone be negative after that season…we have the pig, the jug and a 2-game win streak against Nebraska. I salute the entire team and the entire staff for what was an awesome year. I can't wait for the bowl game.

Quit whining and start celebrating how far we have come….
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Which one? They played two most of the game.

the_chucker said:
dont think anyone is asking for kills head, it was a game for the taking, sorry we want better but this was going to be a tough game, we wanted to stop the run, and wi qb looked like rodgers out there
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Spoofin said:
I don't think ML7 is good. However, I know he is our best option right now and this notion that we just plug in this freshman, or that freshman, give em all a shot, go get a JuCo, etc., etc. is out of touch. Trust me when I say that if you see something, our coaches do too. Trust me when I say they want to win more than you. It just isn't as easy as you and some others make it sound.
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I love what the staff has done, don't get me wrong. But they were in year 4 and this was their QB. I think it's fair to question their judgement in regards to QB play a bit.

*fully understand Nelson should've been this years QB. That doesn't change the fact they have given scholarships to Leidner, Strevler, etc
 

jmag21 said:
I suspect most of these folks are trolling. Yes leidner was bad, but anybody who doesn't acknowledge what we accomplished this season is stupid or messing with us


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enjoying the season and questioning how they haven't been able to find a QB in 4 years are not mutually exclusive
 

MaroonGold1 said:
I love what the staff has done, don't get me wrong. But they were in year 4 and this was their QB. I think it's fair to question their judgement in regards to QB play a bit.

*fully understand Nelson should've been this years QB. That doesn't change the fact they have given scholarships to Leidner, Strevler, etc
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Absolutely. However, that and demanding or thinking better alternatives to ML7 next year are easy to find are 2 different topics. FTR, I'm not ready to give up on all the qbs on our roster either... especially those that haven't played.
 




Born in the early 1970s, this holds true for me too.

Coach Kill doesn't have an out clause to Notre Dame, Nebraska, Kansas, Michigan. Does he? Until I hear otherwise the future looks much better than the same old.

Maverick said:
I hope you losers find the cliff you're looking for and jump. Me? I enjoyed the best most exciting Gopher season in my lifetime. Hopefully the team is still learning and we'll get farther next year. Go Gophers!
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Spoofin said:
Absolutely. However, that and demanding or thinking better alternatives to ML7 next year are easy to find are 2 different topics. FTR, I'm not ready to give up on all the qbs on our roster either... especially those that haven't played.
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I think so very very little of Leidner, that I do think finding a better option for next year should be fairly easy. I was disappointed back in August that the position was handed to Mitch without any sort of competition. If that happens again this offseason I will be extremely disappointed and think it's more than fair to question whether the correct people are in place to recruit and coach Qb's
 





tinyarch said:
So this is what a room of adults having a tantrum looks like. I'll file this thread for future reference.

Newsflash: Over 5 billion people in this world don't care about a football game between the UofM and Wiscy. Your whining isn't about kids not competing. It's about your own pride being injured because you can't, at this moment, grasp the fact that you just watched kids play a game and your kids lost. Go out to DQ and get a Blizzard and then go on with the rest of your life. Games over. Find something positive to do with the rest of the weekend and stop having a tantrum on the GH floor.
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Good perspective. Be passionate but be reasonable. I was at the game and at times questioned the play calling, what we did/didn't do, and what coulda, shoulda, and woulda happened had this or that happened. Cheered a lot, had a lot of fun, and was disappointed we didn't win. Afterwards we went for dinner and all was fine including the good natured ribbing by our waitress. The food and service was good so yes, we tipped our waitress 20% despite her skunk loving ways;-) I am amused by those whose upcoming week will be good or bad based on the result of a "game."
 

I'm as critical as most of the Minnesota good enough mentality. That said, I think this was a solid season and it is progress. The Iowa and Nebraska wins proved Michigan this year and Nebraska last year were no aberration. The tan is getting better. Kill is up coaching inferior talent and instilling a toughness in his players. Who would have thought four years ago as we struggled through a coaching search and settled on kill that right now we would be ancient over the possibility of so much more having been so close? If was a disappointing loss in a season that otherwise proved this cynic wrong over and over.

We ought to even prepare ourselves for a back slide next season. We lose a number of weapons and 2 of 4 non conference games will be tough. But the beauty of college ball is that the next man steps up.

My only complaint from this season is about Leidner. He isn't very good and he needs more talent to play catch with. But he is a very hot and cold, mostly cold. What I don't understand is when Mitch was off as he obviously was today, why not give Streveler the ball and add a dimension to the game? Mitch is not a bad runner but Streveler is a punisher and could hardly be less successful chucking the ball. Mitch could use a little competition.
 

MaroonGold1 said:
I think so very very little of Leidner, that I do think finding a better option for next year should be fairly easy. I was disappointed back in August that the position was handed to Mitch without any sort of competition. If that happens again this offseason I will be extremely disappointed and think it's more than fair to question whether the correct people are in place to recruit and coach Qb's
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Well put, and I agree. The idea that, yeah, we know he's not a passing quarterback, but we'll start him because he's big and he can run, and he should be able to complete a pass or two now and then, well that's just not modern football, and it doesn't take advantage of the way the rules are set up. In games like this, you need to be able to throw. That was true for both teams; one team was able to, and the other was not. And if you're not equipped to pass the ball, then you're not equipped to play in games like this against opponents like this for these types of stakes.
 

McAvoy handed off on no other plays? He had stats for 5 plays, but that does not account for playing time, plays in. I reviewed the stats sheet on the MN website. Stave had all 19 pass attempts. And therefore all the pass stats. Does 19 attempts with 50+% completion with 2/3plays accounting for all of the passing yards. McAvoy's carries stat does not provide the number of downs played. Wis connected on more passes, but the poster I was responding said Rogers like numbers. Incidently, the number of pass attempts per team was equal. If anyone has a source for actual division of playing time, I would like to see it before I provide a correction or mea culpa, if I feel that is necessary. The stats I have found do not answer the question of number of downs played.

Unregistered User said:
Really? McAvoy was in for 5 plays, carried each time and ran for 12 yards.
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McGopherFan said:
McAvoy handed off on no other plays? He had stats for 5 plays, but that does not account for playing time, plays in. I reviewed the stats sheet on the MN website. Stave had all 19 pass attempts. And therefore all the pass stats. Does 19 attempts with 50+% completion with 2/3plays accounting for all of the passing yards. McAvoy's carries stat does not provide the number of downs played. Wis connected on more passes, but the poster I was responding said Rogers like numbers. Incidently, the number of pass attempts per team was equal. If anyone has a source for actual division of playing time, I would like to see it before I provide a correction or mea culpa, if I feel that is necessary. The stats I have found do not answer the question of number of downs played.
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Unless my eyes deceived me, every single time I saw McEvoy (sorry for the spelling error earlier) he kept the ball. There may have been 1 time early in the 2nd quarter where he was in for three plays successively, where it was run, run, run, with a Gordon run in the middle bracketed by McEvoy runs, but I was pretty sure it was 5 plays, 5 carries.
 

Bad Gopher said:
Well put, and I agree. The idea that, yeah, we know he's not a passing quarterback, but we'll start him because he's big and he can run, and he should be able to complete a pass or two now and then, well that's just not modern football, and it doesn't take advantage of the way the rules are set up. In games like this, you need to be able to throw. That was true for both teams; one team was able to, and the other was not. And if you're not equipped to pass the ball, then you're not equipped to play in games like this against opponents like this for these types of stakes.
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While agreed that passing would help, and we'd definitely be better if Mitch was well polished, you cannot ignore that we did play in this game.

Mitch did get them here. Is it the Brewster spread offense you want back? or possible the Wacker years?

I'll take the crappy passing and the chance to play for a big ten title over a decent passing and 4 wins any day.
 

McGopherFan said:
McAvoy handed off on no other plays? He had stats for 5 plays, but that does not account for playing time, plays in. I reviewed the stats sheet on the MN website. Stave had all 19 pass attempts. And therefore all the pass stats. Does 19 attempts with 50+% completion with 2/3plays accounting for all of the passing yards. McAvoy's carries stat does not provide the number of downs played. Wis connected on more passes, but the poster I was responding said Rogers like numbers. Incidently, the number of pass attempts per team was equal. If anyone has a source for actual division of playing time, I would like to see it before I provide a correction or mea culpa, if I feel that is necessary. The stats I have found do not answer the question of number of downs played.
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McEvoy was in for 5 total plays. He never handed off and ran the ball on all 5 of his downs. Leidner reminds me a lot of McEvoy. Both big guys who can run, but are subpar passers. McEvoy was the starter for the first 5 games, but the coaches made a made the Offense too one dimensional.
 

atsgopher said:
While agreed that passing would help, and we'd definitely be better if Mitch was well polished, you cannot ignore that we did play in this game.

Mitch did get them here. Is it the Brewster spread offense you want back? or possible the Wacker years?

I'll take the crappy passing and the chance to play for a big ten title over a decent passing and 4 wins any day.
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I'll take the situation Kill left in Illinois - a diverse, dangerous offense with a quarterback good enough to end up on an NFL roster.
 

Bad Gopher said:
I'll take the situation Kill left in Illinois - a diverse, dangerous offense with a quarterback good enough to end up on an NFL roster.
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Well played... I think we get there after a bit. Leidner does show improvement. However, it is what it is in the current year. We don't have this argument without Mitch's play. I agree he needs to deliberately target certain skills. However, at the same time I'd say I'm happy with the effort he put in to get us where we are today. There are not many Sophomores with the requisite skill set to put us in this position.
 

You know who I blame it on? Leidner, his inability to pass limits the offense so much... I mean we're behind by 10 and Running on first and second with 2 mins left. With a decent QB, we could contain them and would have won.
 

Good enough for me. I thought he was in for more than that. It is a bit chaotic to keep such a stat when there are two or more players with the same jersey number. (On the roster, not on the field at the same time.) You're probably correct.

Unregistered User said:
Unless my eyes deceived me, every single time I saw McEvoy (sorry for the spelling error earlier) he kept the ball. There may have been 1 time early in the 2nd quarter where he was in for three plays successively, where it was run, run, run, with a Gordon run in the middle bracketed by McEvoy runs, but I was pretty sure it was 5 plays, 5 carries.
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The name of the game with Leidner is simple: no bleeping turnovers....ever

Today he cost us a big one. The game pivoted.

His margin for error is small. Probably too small.
 

Studwell55 said:
The name of the game with Leidner is simple: no bleeping turnovers....ever

Today he cost us a big one. The game pivoted.

His margin for error is small. Probably too small.
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And the defense gave up 49 yds on two plays and a FG.
 

bigtenchamps1899 said:
edit: the deleted was a facetious and humorous attempt to lighten the situation.


i'm sorry my comments seemed to offend you indi, i don't mind your comments. you are upset and i will gladly accept your apology when you settle down. i'll even buy you a beer next year when the gophers come out to fort collins (hopfully you are still a gopher fan at that time:cool: )
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I'd prefer that he become a fan of another team if that's okay with you. I'll be there and happily accept the beer though!
 

atsgopher said:
While agreed that passing would help, and we'd definitely be better if Mitch was well polished, you cannot ignore that we did play in this game.

Mitch did get them here. Is it the Brewster spread offense you want back? or possible the Wacker years?

I'll take the crappy passing and the chance to play for a big ten title over a decent passing and 4 wins any day.
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Its a team game for sure. You are right in that Mitch was part of what got us here, and he wasn't the only one who lost it. But his passing needs to get better. We might compete in this game without it, but we won't win it without a better performance from him. I wish there was a quick way to pull up this stat, but I would really be curious to see how many teams were won against Power 5 competition despite throwing for less than 33%. I'd bet its a pretty short list. We don't need to throw as often or as many yards as the Brewster spread offense, but we need to be able to complete it when we do throw. Wisconsin is a great example of what I am talking about. They are a run-heavy team that doesn't make a lot of yardage through the air. They are 119th in the FBS in passing yardage. The difference is they are still completing passes at a better than 57% clip. That protects the run, because people can't overcommit to defending the run since they know Wisconsin can hit an open receiver.
 

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