Detroit's Bowl Game canceled after 29 years



Are we going to shift back to 25+ years ago where 6-6 didn’t guarantee you a bowl game? Will it be the expanded playoffs and then just a handful of more well established bowls?
It will be interesting to see if the total number of bowls shrinks or if new ones pop up to take the places of the ones that fold. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if it actually took more than just finishing .500 to make a bowl game.
 

Are we going to shift back to 25+ years ago where 6-6 didn’t guarantee you a bowl game? Will it be the expanded playoffs and then just a handful of more well established bowls?
Hopefully! If your team isn't in the playoffs, let the kids focus on final exams or spending Christmas with their family, as opposed to giving up another two weeks of their life just to have "live" tv programming.
 

Hopefully! If your team isn't in the playoffs, let the kids focus on final exams or spending Christmas with their family, as opposed to giving up another two weeks of their life just to have "live" tv programming.
Disagree with this take. There are too many bowls, few would argue with that, but would hate to see all the non-playoff bowls go away.

Bowl games can still be a fun reward for the players, a chance to go somewhere and get in one more game with your teammates. Plus there is the added bonus to the teams to use that practice time to really work with the younger players in a way that they typically can't during the season.
 




I thought only TV sets tuned in mattered. I was blasted here when I said I thought there should be 10 fewer bowl games.
You were blasted for hoping for less football, not because people thought this many bowls was sustainable financially. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if a new bowl takes it's place.
 




You were blasted for hoping for less football, not because people thought this many bowls was sustainable financially. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if a new bowl takes it's place.
Are there any marketing people here that could comment on how you know if you're getting a good return on investment? I can see for major bowls and such, hearing "Tostitos Fiesta Bowl" over and over again leading up to a big game, you probably will sell more tortilla chips.

Are most of the newer bowls just sponsored by startups and crypto firms just hoping to have their name stick?
 

You were blasted for hoping for less football, not because people thought this many bowls was sustainable financially. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if a new bowl takes it's place.
I was told that as long as people watch they will be here and that people need something to watch.
 


Are there any marketing people here that could comment on how you know if you're getting a good return on investment? I can see for major bowls and such, hearing "Tostitos Fiesta Bowl" over and over again leading up to a big game, you probably will sell more tortilla chips.

Are most of the newer bowls just sponsored by startups and crypto firms just hoping to have their name stick?
I have no idea myself but I know there's enough people out there that want to try to make money so I think there will always be attempts.
 




I don’t really care but I am not sure this means anything nationally

Until I see some rationale it could be local as much as it could be national
The bowl system was established primarily as a tourism draw for local communities.

Average in-person attendance at the non-CFP games was down 9% last year.

TV ratings were up as a whole, the best since 2015-2016.

There is clearly interest in college football games during the holiday season, but there are new hurdles to that. Players opting out, teams opting out. Not enough teams qualifying for games, resulting in some ugly matchups, dropping attendance, and less money flowing into minor bowl games from a sponsorship level (e.g., the LA Bowl had 3 different sponsors in 5 years.

The concept of bowl season is changing. There is an interest in watching games, but will cities and sponsors continue to spend to bring a game to their city that doesn't draw buts in seats, but draws TV revenue (to your point, these are the challenges on a local community being involved in the bowl process)?

I'm guessing ESPN will desperately look to find a way to balance the number of games to ensure the product is good, has enough representation, and can happen in a different way (maybe home games for the better team vs. a bowl destination), which would keep total costs down for the schools and ad revenues and rights fees could be shifted to pay the teams for thier travel and still drive more revenue for ESPN (as one random thought).

All this to say, I'm in the camp that the Bowls as we know them will contract significantly, but that most likely won't necessarily mean a similar decrease in end-of-season games around the holidays. There's too much money to be made, and one thing that is true of college sports right now is that if there is $ to be made, it will be considered and pursued if there are enough zeros involved.
 

The bowl system was established primarily as a tourism draw for local communities.

Average in-person attendance at the non-CFP games was down 9% last year.

TV ratings were up as a whole, the best since 2015-2016.

There is clearly interest in college football games during the holiday season, but there are new hurdles to that. Players opting out, teams opting out. Not enough teams qualifying for games, resulting in some ugly matchups, dropping attendance, and less money flowing into minor bowl games from a sponsorship level (e.g., the LA Bowl had 3 different sponsors in 5 years.

The concept of bowl season is changing. There is an interest in watching games, but will cities and sponsors continue to spend to bring a game to their city that doesn't draw buts in seats, but draws TV revenue (to your point, these are the challenges on a local community being involved in the bowl process)?

I'm guessing ESPN will desperately look to find a way to balance the number of games to ensure the product is good, has enough representation, and can happen in a different way (maybe home games for the better team vs. a bowl destination), which would keep total costs down for the schools and ad revenues and rights fees could be shifted to pay the teams for thier travel and still drive more revenue for ESPN (as one random thought).

All this to say, I'm in the camp that the Bowls as we know them will contract significantly, but that most likely won't necessarily mean a similar decrease in end-of-season games around the holidays. There's too much money to be made, and one thing that is true of college sports right now is that if there is $ to be made, it will be considered and pursued if there are enough zeros involved.
I think there’ll be major changes.

I think the changes will be more structural and contractual than they will be just a changing of the number.

I think we will eventually see conferences cutting out the middle man and running their own bowl games and directly contracting with each other.


The shrinking may happen and it’ll happen because mountain west 5 vs pac 12 5 isn’t getting a tv bid that’s big enough to run the game
 



It will be interesting to see if the total number of bowls shrinks or if new ones pop up to take the places of the ones that fold. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if it actually took more than just finishing .500 to make a bowl game.
Totally agree
 


My Penn State buddy in New Ulm maintains Gopher fans and the U are not serious D1 🏈 fans because as long as we maintain 7-5 and go to a 🥣 game, we're satisfied.

Only Pedo State fans are real football fans. Just ask them.

Also.....RIP Motor City Bowl. We were just getting to know thee.
 

B1G should make their own bowl games, leverage for good locations (Orlando and etc) and TV times.
 




B1G should make their own bowl games, leverage for good locations (Orlando and etc) and TV times.

With the expanded CFP and NFL set on total domination, there really aren't many "good TV times", in terms of exclusive prime time windows.

Between the CFP 1st Round and New Year's there I think there were just a couple of nights to squeeze in a Consolation Bowl. 2 maybe 3?

Late afternoon games that bleed into prime time (like the Gopher-Lobo) game can get some decent eyeballs.

It doesn't surprise me that the Detroit Bowl, typically played at 11am/noon on the day after Christmas is a casualty. Same with Bahamas Bowl (Christmas Eve?)

The NFL owns a chunk of ESPN now. They can help fill programming needs by just NFL Films/highlights, people talking about the NFL, talking about betting on the NFL, replays of NFL games at a much cheaper cost than flying 2 traveling parties of a couple hundred, feeding them, lodging them, paying them etc.

Maybe some other TV/streaming entity will want to pony up some dough.
 




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