Dasher's backup?

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dance4raiders said:
Thats not the entire story. Im sure there is LOTS more to it. So dont hate unless you know ALL of the facts.
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You are delerious.

Fact: No one involved disputes that the loan was made, including Dasher, Massaro and Stockstill.

Fact: It is a DIRECT VIOLATION of NCAA rules. This has nothing to do with gambling. A college athlete cannot receive a loan from anyone but a bank, with loan papers. A college athlete cannot receive a gift of money from anyone, booster or not.

Fact: "What we do know and what we do believe is that there was an NCAA violation," MTSU AD Chris Massaro said during a press conference Friday.

Fact: Dasher is supended indefinitely.

You need to clear your head. The Minnesota basketball program had to vacate 25 wins one year for a player selling two tickets at face value. There will be LOTS more to this. This will only get worse, not better.

Also--unless you are a brain-dead gang-banger don't use that "hate" B.S., either. We live in a society where supposedly no one is responsible and no one is to blame. Dasher is no wide-eyed freshman. He is a 22 year old senior whom has received lots of national attention, and he has a pretty savvy and smart coach and AD. If Dasher didn't know what he was doing, he's a moron. This was no "mistake".
 


highwayman said:
Somewhere in here you forgot that:

1) Dasher TOOK THE MONEY
2) TAKING THE MONEY constituted a loss of amateur status
3) Dasher TOOK THE MONEY
4) Dasher TOOK THE MONEY
5) Dasher TOOK THE MONEY
6) Dasher TOOK THE MONEY
7) etc., etc., etc.
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That's not true. He received a loan. There is nothing against NCAA rules regarding personal loans. If he got the loan only because he was an NCAA athlete, then it becomes against their rules. The lender has said he didn't know who he was, but also said the opposite.

I don't believe the man's situation (80 y/o disabled vet) had any influence on his acceptance of the loan. The guy is a loan shark, and Dasher wanted money.
 

RaiderATO said:
That's not true. He received a loan. There is nothing against NCAA rules regarding personal loans. If he got the loan only because he was an NCAA athlete, then it becomes against their rules. The lender has said he didn't know who he was, but also said the opposite.

I don't believe the man's situation (80 y/o disabled vet) had any influence on his acceptance of the loan. The guy is a loan shark, and Dasher wanted money.
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You are soooooooo wrong. Dasher is doomed. From NCAA manual:

"The NCAA considers special arrangements to be an “extra benefit”, which are specifically prohibited. This restriction applies to all individuals other than family members or individual that the student-athlete received these benefits from prior to attending college, such as long-time friend or neighbor. Extra benefits include, but are not limited to:

The providing of cash or merchandise
The use of an automobile
The purchase of meals or services at commercial establishments
The use of personal properties (e.g., boats, summer homes, cars, stereos).
Providing holiday or birthday gifts
A special discount payment arrangement or credit on a purchase (airline ticket, clothing) or services.
A loan of money in any amount
A guarantee of bond
Transportation to or from a summer job
A benefit connected with off-campus housing (television sets or stereo equipment, special recreational facilities, furnishings or appointments of extra quality or quantity)
Signing or co-signing a note with an outside agency to arrange a loan.
Selling or giving a student-athlete tickets to an athletic, university or town event
Any benefit that is not generally available to the institution’s students or a particular segment of the student body (e.g., foreign students, minority students) determined on a basis unrelated to athletics ability."

Good luck to you on the loan argument.
 

Jeebus...some of these MTSU fans are f-ing dense.
 


Dasher's backup is probably still better than Weber....
 

Since he is our starting QB this year, how about you see how he plays for a couple games before dogging him. Last year was tough, but his freshmen and sophomore years showed a lot of promise, too. Give him a chance in his last year. Save the on-field performance last season, I couldn't ask someone to give more to our program.
 

dance4raiders said:
So dont hate unless you know ALL of the facts.
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You forgot the "on him".

Correct: So dont hate ON HIM unless you know ALL of the facts.

Aren't you late for class or something?
 

Wow...the offseason has made some of my fellow gopher brethren kind of grumpy. Cut the guy some slack, he hasn't trolled or been annoying on this site.
 



dance4raiders said:
I think Kilgore would be a great backup. He's already learned ALOT from Stockstill and he did look good in the Spring Game. He's a VERY accurate passer. By the way, Rescooter...it's "Murfreesboro." And yes dpodoll, he runs a 4.5.
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It doesn't really matter because everyone inflates their numbers, but after watching his highlights, there is absolutely no way he runs a 4.5. He would have been the fastest QB in the entire NFL draft last season at 4.5. He would have been faster than almost every RB at the combine, and all but 6 CBs at the combine. (faster than Knowshon Moreno or Beanie Wells ran in 2009).

He doesn't run a 4.5.
 

highwayman said:
You are soooooooo wrong. Dasher is doomed. From NCAA manual:

"The NCAA considers special arrangements to be an “extra benefit”, which are specifically prohibited. This restriction applies to all individuals other than family members or individual that the student-athlete received these benefits from prior to attending college, such as long-time friend or neighbor. Extra benefits include, but are not limited to:

The providing of cash or merchandise
The use of an automobile
The purchase of meals or services at commercial establishments
The use of personal properties (e.g., boats, summer homes, cars, stereos).
Providing holiday or birthday gifts
A special discount payment arrangement or credit on a purchase (airline ticket, clothing) or services.
A loan of money in any amount
A guarantee of bond
Transportation to or from a summer job
A benefit connected with off-campus housing (television sets or stereo equipment, special recreational facilities, furnishings or appointments of extra quality or quantity)
Signing or co-signing a note with an outside agency to arrange a loan.
Selling or giving a student-athlete tickets to an athletic, university or town event
Any benefit that is not generally available to the institution’s students or a particular segment of the student body (e.g., foreign students, minority students) determined on a basis unrelated to athletics ability."

Good luck to you on the loan argument.
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I'm gonna have to to go with Raider ATO on this one. But...since we're apparently "soooo wrong" and you know every NCAA rule and violation by heart, we'll just say OK and run with it.
 

dance4raiders said:
I'm gonna have to to go with Raider ATO on this one. But...since we're apparently "soooo wrong" and you know every NCAA rule and violation by heart, we'll just say OK and run with it.
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What the hell dude? Your own Athletic Director is calling this an NCAA violation. What else do you need? They are self reporting this thing!

This is a direct quote from the Massaro's statement that is on the athletic dept's website. I've taken the liberty of highlighting the part you seem to be missing:
While there are a lot of sides to the story involving student-athlete Dwight Dasher, all parties agree that there was a $1,500 loan. Therefore, due to a violation of the NCAA amateurism legislation, we are declaring Dwight Dasher ineligible for competition but will be seeking his reinstatement. While we are seeking reinstatement, Dasher will be allowed to practice. It is anticipated that Dasher will miss some competition.

The University is sending a letter to the NCAA Student-Athlete Reinstatement Staff today. I do not have or expect to have a time table for the NCAA's decision.

The prescribed penalty on this type violation is a 30 percent reduction in the number of games in a season, which can be mitigated either higher or lower. We are not in position to comment any further on Dwight's eligibility status until the NCAA has resolved this matter.
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But yes, this isn't a violation.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
It doesn't really matter because everyone inflates their numbers, but after watching his highlights, there is absolutely no way he runs a 4.5. He would have been the fastest QB in the entire NFL draft last season at 4.5. He would have been faster than almost every RB at the combine, and all but 6 CBs at the combine. (faster than Knowshon Moreno or Beanie Wells ran in 2009).

He doesn't run a 4.5.
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I'm guessing he was timed by his coach on a track with a pair of track shoes on. That happens all the time. I say make kids run 40 times on the grass. Makes more sense.
 



Nort73 said:
I'm guessing he was timed by his coach on a track with a pair of track shoes on. That happens all the time. I say make kids run 40 times on the grass. Makes more sense.
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Or - it was completely made up and they threw "4.56" on there because it sounds plausible to people who think that most reported 40 times are legit, when in reality, very few college players can run a legitimate 4.5. And none of them are Logan Kilgore.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Wow...the offseason has made some of my fellow gopher brethren kind of grumpy. Cut the guy some slack, he hasn't trolled or been annoying on this site.
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My apologies dance4raiders

You've been great. But I do hope the Gophers smash your team's face in.
 




dance4raiders said:
Fair enough. But I'm hoping that we smash your team's face in. Touche?
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Completely fair. Here's to a good, clean game of injury-free face-smashing.
 


highwayman said:
You are soooooooo wrong. Dasher is doomed. From NCAA manual:

"The NCAA considers special arrangements to be an “extra benefit”, which are specifically prohibited.
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The (not so much a...) question is if it is a special arrangement (I addressed that in the part where I questioned if the loan was given because he was an NCAA athlete or not). The lender has waffled on this. However; our AD hasn't. Our AD has stated that the loan was given because Dasher is a FB player. The lender has since said otherwise, but the investigation has been concluded so it doesn't matter (and he's a crazy old bookie who has changed his story 3-4 times already).

My disagreement was concerning the "loss of amateur status" claim. An indiscriminate loan doesn't a professional athlete make. If it did we'd have few eligible athletes (Sallie Mae and all). I wasn't arguing that it wasn't a violation, just that he'd lost his "amateur status" as you claimed.

I'm just as critical of this dumb a.. as anyone else would be. He's one of those guys that wouldn't be in college if it weren't for his legs and arm. He seemed to be making the most of his opportunity of late, but he f'd it up (not quite "royally" yet). I always felt we were 1 snap away from him making a bonehead decision out on the field and completely screwing up (felt like I needed an asprin regimen). We didn't even make it to a snap before he did it this season.
 

RaiderATO said:
The (not so much a...) question is if it is a special arrangement (I addressed that in the part where I questioned if the loan was given because he was an NCAA athlete or not). The lender has waffled on this. However; our AD hasn't. Our AD has stated that the loan was given because Dasher is a FB player. The lender has since said otherwise, but the investigation has been concluded so it doesn't matter (and he's a crazy old bookie who has changed his story 3-4 times already).

My disagreement was concerning the "loss of amateur status" claim. An indiscriminate loan doesn't a professional athlete make. If it did we'd have few eligible athletes (Sallie Mae and all). I wasn't arguing that it wasn't a violation, just that he'd lost his "amateur status" as you claimed.

I'm just as critical of this dumb a.. as anyone else would be. He's one of those guys that wouldn't be in college if it weren't for his legs and arm. He seemed to be making the most of his opportunity of late, but he f'd it up (not quite "royally" yet). I always felt we were 1 snap away from him making a bonehead decision out on the field and completely screwing up (felt like I needed an asprin regimen). We didn't even make it to a snap before he did it this season.
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I do have to say, I feel for you all as fans. I'd really hate to have my fave team's hopes (somewhat) riding on the talents of a kid who puts his gambling habit above his responsibility to his team.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Or - it was completely made up and they threw "4.56" on there because it sounds plausible to people who think that most reported 40 times are legit, when in reality, very few college players can run a legitimate 4.5. And none of them are Logan Kilgore.
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Don't tell that to either of our 4.3 burners...

One of our corners has run a 10.31 100 meter. Which is .73 slower than Usain Bolt's world record time, which granted .73 is a fair amount of time in a 100 meter dash, but we're also comparing a 20 year old kid to perhaps the greatest sprinter of all time.

Kilgore may or may not actually run a 4.56, but I'm not so sure I agree with the idea that very few college players run a legit 4.5.
 



Is he really 6'3", 179ish? He might get broken.
 

Tee09 said:
Is he really 6'3", 179ish? He might get broken.
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There are conflicting numbers, the other number is like 190 or 195. Having met the kid after the spring game, I'd say(at least at that time) that 179 was probably more likely.

As far as how he'll hold up in the game physically, we'll all know in about 55 hours.
 

MTPiKapp said:
but I'm not so sure I agree with the idea that very few college players run a legit 4.5
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As evidenced by the link, 28 players ran a sub-4.5 at the 2010 NFL Draft combine. None of them were QBs. That is one draft class out of the 5 potential that are on a college campus. Given that there were certainly some Jrs and RSo in that mix, let's just say that there are 100 college players right now who could go to the NFL Draft combine and post a sub-4.5. Now, how many QB/WR/RB/DB are there on DI-A rosters? There are 120 DI-A teams. Let's say, on average, each team has 5 QB, 10 WR, 10 RB, and 10 DB - not accurate, obviously, but just making some generalizations. That means there are 4200 such players on DI-A rosters. That means that roughly one-quarter of one percent of DI-A players can run a legitimate 4.5. I'd say by any measure that 0.25% constitutes "very few".

And you want us to believe that Logan Kilgore, a white QB at a Sun Belt school, is one of those 0.25%? I may have been born on a Monday, but it wasn't yesterday.
 

dpodoll68 said:
As evidenced by the link, 28 players ran a sub-4.5 at the 2010 NFL Draft combine. None of them were QBs. That is one draft class out of the 5 potential that are on a college campus. Given that there were certainly some Jrs and RSo in that mix, let's just say that there are 100 college players right now who could go to the NFL Draft combine and post a sub-4.5. Now, how many QB/WR/RB/DB are there on DI-A rosters? There are 120 DI-A teams. Let's say, on average, each team has 5 QB, 10 WR, 10 RB, and 10 DB - not accurate, obviously, but just making some generalizations. That means there are 4200 such players on DI-A rosters. That means that roughly one-quarter of one percent of DI-A players can run a legitimate 4.5. I'd say by any measure that 0.25% constitutes "very few".

And you want us to believe that Logan Kilgore, a white QB at a Sun Belt school, is one of those 0.25%? I may have been born on a Monday, but it wasn't yesterday.
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Well sure, if you want to use logic and statistics... than yeah, very few college players run legit 4.5
 

dpodoll68 said:
As evidenced by the link, 28 players ran a sub-4.5 at the 2010 NFL Draft combine. None of them were QBs. That is one draft class out of the 5 potential that are on a college campus. Given that there were certainly some Jrs and RSo in that mix, let's just say that there are 100 college players right now who could go to the NFL Draft combine and post a sub-4.5. Now, how many QB/WR/RB/DB are there on DI-A rosters? There are 120 DI-A teams. Let's say, on average, each team has 5 QB, 10 WR, 10 RB, and 10 DB - not accurate, obviously, but just making some generalizations. That means there are 4200 such players on DI-A rosters. That means that roughly one-quarter of one percent of DI-A players can run a legitimate 4.5. I'd say by any measure that 0.25% constitutes "very few".

And you want us to believe that Logan Kilgore, a white QB at a Sun Belt school, is one of those 0.25%? I may have been born on a Monday, but it wasn't yesterday.
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That's assuming all DI-A players that run a 4.5 40 will run at the NFL combine. Lots of fast players make below average football players. I'd bump that number up to 0.33%, repeating of course.
 

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