Curt Cignetti on IU’s notably soft non conference slate: “We figured we’d adopt the SEC scheduling model.”

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The irony is I was participating in an online discussion about the two playoff models (SEC vs B1G) and saying I like the B1G model much better because it rewards actual results instead of preseason human polls and hypothetical power like the SEC model.

There were multiple replies back from SEC folks pointing out Indiana's softening schedule choices as if that some how completely balances the two conferences and returns hypothetical matchups and results to the decision making forefront.
 

The big ten getting 4 auto bids is probably what is required for the big ten to move to a 10th conference game
 

I love the model of 4-4-2-2-1-1 model especially with the play in games of 3v6 and 4v5 on championship weekend. Like he says tOSU was the 4th seed in the B1G due to tiebreakers.

People in the SEC are simply irrational. They want to make claims of who all the teams play in their one P5 non conference game, like Texas at tOSU and Alabama/Wisconsin. They leave out the part that it's their 9th P5 game and the B1G's 10th P5 game on a 12 game schedule.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
I love the model of 4-4-2-2-1-1 model especially with the play in games of 3v6 and 4v5 on championship weekend. Like he says tOSU was the 4th seed in the B1G due to tiebreakers.

People in the SEC are simply irrational. They want to make claims of who all the teams play in their one P5 non conference game, like Texas at tOSU and Alabama/Wisconsin. They leave out the part that it's their 9th P5 game and the B1G's 10th P5 game on a 12 game schedule.
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exactly, and they really benefitted from the earlier set ups where their hypothetical power always got them 5 or so teams preseason ranked in the top 10 and then with a light non conference schedule, their only losses are nearly guaranteed to be to other highly ranked teams - which doesn't hurt their rankings much and at the end of the season, with either committee or poll rankings they could always get through the regular season with a bunch of their teams ranked highly. So, "at large" bids are very important to them because they are sure to get lots of their teams considered that way.

But by simply taking the top four - there is no incentive for them to play weak non-con opponents and suddenly recruiting rankings and human eyeballs are no longer a factor for who gets in the playoff.

It is crazy to listen to SEC people. They just shift gears on the fly. They used to say there was no comparison between their might and any other conference. Now that there is a playoff and teams like Notre Dame, Penn State, etc. look just as good as their playoff teams... they have just shifted to "well there is no comparison between the MIDDLE of the B1G and the MIDDLE of the SEC... completely ignoring actual results like MN>Auburn or Illinois bowl win last year. They love to keep things hypothetical where they have the top 12 teams in the country EVERY year. Ugh!
 



MaxyJR1 said:
I love the model of 4-4-2-2-1-1 model especially with the play in games of 3v6 and 4v5 on championship weekend. Like he says tOSU was the 4th seed in the B1G due to tiebreakers.

People in the SEC are simply irrational. They want to make claims of who all the teams play in their one P5 non conference game, like Texas at tOSU and Alabama/Wisconsin. They leave out the part that it's their 9th P5 game and the B1G's 10th P5 game on a 12 game schedule.
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I genuinely disagree with what the playoff is all about too.

Some people think it should be the “best” teams. But this is subjective.

I think it should be about finding out who “The Best” is. Which would mean if you already know someone isn’t the best you error on leaving them out.

Teams with 3-4 losses might very well be the 8th best team in the country. But I am certain they aren’t the best. So I would rather put in a team who might be worse than 3 loss bama on the off chance I’m wrong and they’re better.
College football historically has rewarded the best seasons not the best teams.
 

It's a great one liner although not entirely accurate. It is true that most SEC teams play 3 creampuffs but the majority also play at least one quality non-conf opponent.

Indiana's non-conf schedule is incredibly soft. Is what it is, as long as they don't complain when nobody takes them seriously until they actually beat a good team.

I like ours, 2 creampufs, one lower end power conference team.
 

MNVCGUY said:
It's a great one liner although not entirely accurate. It is true that most SEC teams play 3 creampuffs but the majority also play at least one quality non-conf opponent.

Indiana's non-conf schedule is incredibly soft. Is what it is, as long as they don't complain when nobody takes them seriously until they actually beat a good team.

I like ours, 2 creampufs, one lower end power conference team.
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Eleven B1G teams play 10 P4 teams. Four SEC teams play 10 P4 Teams.
 






MisterGopher said:
And having to play another conference game means only one conference team will win that game, so the other team will have have another loss.
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This is exactly correct. With 9 conference games compared to 8. It means you have 9 teams with an extra loss guaranteed. When you compare a SEC three or four loss team the Big Ten teams are at a big time disadvantage. It is so much easier to be a three loss team when you only play 8 conference games so you will be rated higher. I love the idea of 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 championship weekend. Keeps more teams alive longer and makes an 18 team league possible without divisions.
 
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Gopher Mac said:
This is exactly correct. With 9 conference games compared to 8. It means you have 9 teams with an extra lose guaranteed. When you compare a SEC three or four lose team the Big Ten teams are at a big time disadvantage. It is so much easier to be a three lose team when you only play 8 conference games so you will be rated higher. I love the idea of 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 championship weekend. Keeps mire teams alive longer and makes an 18 team league possible without divisions.
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i also like play in type weekend because it brings back the possibility of “co champions” which makes a conference title so much more likely for people
 

Some guy said:
i also like play in type weekend because it brings back the possibility of “co champions” which makes a conference title so much more likely for people
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yes, that is more important and meaningful in an 18 team conference, and it reduces the need to say "yeah but this team got to avoid that team, etc. etc.
 


MaxyJR1 said:
Eleven B1G teams play 10 P4 teams. Four SEC teams play 10 P4 Teams.
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SEC should 100% be playing 9 conference games like the Big Ten.

I also don't fault Big Ten teams for not going after really tough non-conf games because a 9 game conf schedule is already very difficult.

That said, Indiana is going for the creamiest of creampuffs in their non-conf schedule to pad their record. And teams are certainly free to do that as long as they don't expect anyone to be impressed by them beating up on the little sister's of the poor when it comes time to look at post season matchups.
 

I have no idea how this would work and you have the issue where some teams do play well out of the blue. Perhaps the points could be adjusted as the season goes on. Might create more issues than its worth.

3 points for a conference win.
2 points for a good win over a decent opponent
1 point for a win over a crummy opponent.
1 point for a quality loss whatever that would be.
 

#2Gopher said:
I have no idea how this would work and you have the issue where some teams do play well out of the blue. Perhaps the points could be adjusted as the season goes on. Might create more issues than its worth.

3 points for a conference win.
2 points for a good win over a decent opponent
1 point for a win over a crummy opponent.
1 point for a quality loss whatever that would be.
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6 points for a loss to an SEC team
 

MNVCGUY said:
SEC should 100% be playing 9 conference games like the Big Ten.

I also don't fault Big Ten teams for not going after really tough non-conf games because a 9 game conf schedule is already very difficult.

That said, Indiana is going for the creamiest of creampuffs in their non-conf schedule to pad their record. And teams are certainly free to do that as long as they don't expect anyone to be impressed by them beating up on the little sister's of the poor when it comes time to look at post season matchups.
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They wanted another home game and it was likely hard to find a quality program when they made the change.
 

#2Gopher said:
I have no idea how this would work and you have the issue where some teams do play well out of the blue. Perhaps the points could be adjusted as the season goes on. Might create more issues than its worth.

3 points for a conference win.
2 points for a good win over a decent opponent
1 point for a win over a crummy opponent.
1 point for a quality loss whatever that would be.
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I should point out, it would be used as a guideline to allow some flexibility.
 


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