Courts rule JUCO doesnt count against eligibility

[Lou Brown]

Wow! We need a thread here if we dont have one already. Not sure I love this. Sounds like Junior Hockey, where to even play in the MIAC you need a couple years in the NA3HL to make the squad.

I think this could help Gopher Football though the same way it helps your Minnesota State Mankato's and Quinnipiac's of the Hockey world compete for Natty's. Ohio State and Michigan are still gonna take the top preps, (just like the Fighting Motzko's do) while your middle of the pack P2 schools can play 26 year old men.

Interesting for sure. I'll hang up and listen.

Link to story

 

[MaxyJR1]

Do junior hockey players go to school? This would be a bit different if kids are actually getting generals done. A lot of generals are already done when they get done with High School these days. Going to have a lot of doctors playing football.

 

[FinnGopher]

Wow! We need a thread here if we dont have one already. Not sure I love this. Sounds like Junior Hockey, where to even play in the MIAC you need a couple years in the NA3HL to make the squad.

I think this could help Gopher Football though the same way it helps your Minnesota State Mankato's and Quinnipiac's of the Hockey world compete for Natty's. Ohio State and Michigan are still gonna take the top preps, (just like the Fighting Motzko's do) while your middle of the pack P2 schools can play 26 year old men.

Interesting for sure. I'll hang up and listen.

Am I hearing you right? A kid can play 2 years at a JUCO and still have 4 years of eligibility left to play at a 4 year institution?

Why would JUCO kids take any classes, unless they hope to leave the 4 year school with a Masters degree?

 

[mcrow47]

Am I hearing you right? A kid can play 2 years at a JUCO and still have 4 years of eligibility left to play at a 4 year institution?

Why would JUCO kids take any classes, unless they hope to leave the 4 year school with a Masters degree?

I think you only have to be enrolled in 6 credits worth of classes to play so.

 

[Lou Brown]

Sounds like its all being sorted out - but yeah you need to be taking classes at a JUCO in order to play on the team. Its a bigger, stronger, faster game - kid goes JUCO for 2 years, get stronger and more mature - goes to a 4 year as a better player and have 4 years to play.

Whats happened in hockey is even DIII schools are saying hey you gotta go play 2 years in Juniors because 4 other teams in the league are bringing in 21 year old Freshman and we need to be able to compete.

Same thing is probable to happen in the other sports.

 

[forever a gopher]

I think you only have to be enrolled in 6 credits worth of classes to play so.

You’re going to end up with a lot of guys like Brosmer and Russell Wilson while at UW that just take the minimum class load and are basically hired football players. If there was an argument that they aren’t employees, this kind of kills that.

 

[50PoundHead]

The suit has been brewing for a while and the temporary injunction will now allow Pavia to play another year. I think it is absolutely ridiculous and more than a lot of the decisions regarding college football these days, I think this one will end up being more momentous.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

I don't think this is a done deal yet. Pavia (QB now at Vanderbilt - formerly at New Mexico State where he played for Jerry Kill) - has been granted a preliminary injunction. in his ruling, the Judge noted that it's possible his decision could be overruled after a full court case or appeal. and the injunction as of right now applies to Pavia only - not to any other athletes.

definition of "preliminary injunction:
A preliminary injunction is a court order that prevents one party from taking certain actions or requires them to take specific actions before a final judgment is issued. A judge issues a preliminary injunction early in a lawsuit to preserve the status quo and protect the rights of the parties.

more from Sports Business Journal:
Vanderbilt QB Diego Pavia's filing for a preliminary injunction against the NCAA has been granted, giving him “an extra year of eligibility,” according to Aria Gerson of the Nashville TENNESSEAN. Per the ruling by Judge William Campbell, the NCAA's rules preventing Pavia from playing in 2025 “because of his two years at New Mexico Military Institute,” a junior college, “violated the Sherman Antitrust Act.” The ruling also “prevents the NCAA from enforcing its ‘Rule of Restitution’ against Vanderbilt or any school that Pavia might play for in 2025.” Gerson noted it means the NCAA would “not be allowed to force the Commodores to vacate wins or levy other penalties if the ruling is later overturned after a full court case or appeal.” The injunction currently “applies only to Pavia and not to any other athletes who attended a junior college.” Gerson: “However, the ruling seemingly opens the door for many more of these athletes, both in football and other sports, to challenge for eligibility” (Nashville TENNESSEAN, 12/18).

 

[mcrow47]

You’re going to end up with a lot of guys like Brosmer and Russell Wilson while at UW that just take the minimum class load and are basically hired football players. If there was an argument that they aren’t employees, this kind of kills that.

Yup. They just go to JUCO to get grades up, work on things ...ect and then go to college and take 6 credits of basket weaving sort of stuff.

 

[50PoundHead]

I don't think this is a done deal yet. Pavia (QB now at Vanderbilt - formerly at New Mexico State where he played for Jerry Kill) - has been granted a preliminary injunction. in his ruling, the Judge noted that it's possible his decision could be overruled after a full court case or appeal. and the injunction as of right now applies to Pavia only - not to any other athletes.

definition of "preliminary injunction:
A preliminary injunction is a court order that prevents one party from taking certain actions or requires them to take specific actions before a final judgment is issued. A judge issues a preliminary injunction early in a lawsuit to preserve the status quo and protect the rights of the parties.

more from Sports Business Journal:
Vanderbilt QB Diego Pavia's filing for a preliminary injunction against the NCAA has been granted, giving him “an extra year of eligibility,” according to Aria Gerson of the Nashville TENNESSEAN. Per the ruling by Judge William Campbell, the NCAA's rules preventing Pavia from playing in 2025 “because of his two years at New Mexico Military Institute,” a junior college, “violated the Sherman Antitrust Act.” The ruling also “prevents the NCAA from enforcing its ‘Rule of Restitution’ against Vanderbilt or any school that Pavia might play for in 2025.” Gerson noted it means the NCAA would “not be allowed to force the Commodores to vacate wins or levy other penalties if the ruling is later overturned after a full court case or appeal.” The injunction currently “applies only to Pavia and not to any other athletes who attended a junior college.” Gerson: “However, the ruling seemingly opens the door for many more of these athletes, both in football and other sports, to challenge for eligibility” (Nashville TENNESSEAN, 12/18).

If Pavia wins, it will no longer be limited to just him by the time the ink dries on the agreement.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

If Pavia wins, it will no longer be limited to just him by the time the ink dries on the agreement.

that's possible. All I'm saying is that a preliminary injuction is not - by definition - a final agreement. this could be tied up in court for a while. so until some final adjudication, Pavia is the only player who benefits.

 

[fmlizard]

P4 programs might use this to create farm teams of post-grad players getting 2 free years of development, then starting as a 21 year old freshman and playing until age 25.

This could be appealing for good but not sure thing, freshman starter prospects who may end up as professional college football players.

 

[Lou Brown]

P4 programs might use this to create farm teams of post-grad players getting 2 free years of development, then starting as a 21 year old freshman and playing until age 25.

This could be appealing for good but not sure thing, freshman starter prospects who may end up as professional college football players.

Teams are already doing similar stuff - NSIC Baseball program in MN that sends kids they like, that need more time to a JUCO in the area. Those kids still live on campus at the NSIC school while attending class and playing at the JUCO.

 

[hello-world]

It made no sense to have colleges giving scholarships for athletics and what we are seeing now is the inevitable chaos that resulted from that decision. There’s a good reason that the smart schools decided not to do it.

You can’t pay people (even in the form of scholarship) then pretend they aren’t your employee.

 

[Spaulding!No!]

The Fixer found a got dang qb!!! It looks like it was only at MN when he couldn’t land a qb.

 

[GopherGrit]

I read part of the argument the judge accepted is that going to JUCO isn't at all like having a true DI experience.

OK ... well .... doesn't that also hold true at NAIA? DIII? DII? Where does it stop?

 

[mggoph]

I read part of the argument the judge accepted is that going to JUCO isn't at all like having a true DI experience.

OK ... well .... doesn't that also hold true at NAIA? DIII? DII? Where does it stop?

Agree. This is all a mess right now and will probably get worse. College sports is done as we know it (has been for quite some time).

 

[Jeshurun]

8 years to play 6 here we come

 

[Strongazzoffer]

Do junior hockey players go to school? This would be a bit different if kids are actually getting generals done. A lot of generals are already done when they get done with High School these days. Going to have a lot of doctors playing football.

Most of them get their generals done. For example when the Magicians were playing in Richfield most of those kids went to Normandale