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I like Turner Gil a lot also but I'm not completely sold on him either. After all the Buffalo's are only 3-4 and 1-2 in conf this year.
 

Brew gets a lot of blame for not being very good at coaching kids up, but I think that is sort of overblown. First off, these teams are remarkably more disciplined than the Mason teams. We are close to even (last year way better) on the TO margin, take less penalties than our opponents and are pretty good on special teams. Those are usually the barameters for judging whether or a team is disciplined. People can say that he isn't a good game day coach, but does anyone think that the Gophers have better than 4-3 talent so far? What should our record be according to our talent?

I will finish this by saying that I am not the biggest Brewster guy in the world, but I would love to see him get a chance with some of his own players. I would also love to see this team (especially the talented 1st and 2nd year players) get a chance to play in a system that has a little continuity.
 

Ole said:
God, I wish people would just leave this one alone. Dungy isn't an option... never, ever, EVER and bringing him up as one is playing on every simple minded follower of this program as an excuse to cut bait every time someone brings up the coaching situation. We all love Dungy, he's done our school proud with his successes, he's a distinguished alum. He's still not going to coach college football here.
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First of all, if by bringing up Dungy's name is playing on every simple minded follower of this program as an excuse to cut bait, then we have a not so bright fanbase. I personally feel people can decide for themselves and don't think they are so easily persuaded. I guess I just don't think our fanbase is as dumb as you do.

Second of all, how do you know Dungy isn't an option? Any great AD at Minnesota would be crazy to not spend the first few days of the coaching search trying his hardest to convince him to take the job. The worst that can happen is he'll say no. What a travesty that would be. :rolleyes: People say they are done coaching all the time and decide to come back. Maybe you are the gullible one here.

And third of all, relax. It was just a suggestion.
 




KoolAid said:
...Chuck Amato

Let the record show you heard it here first.
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Chuck Amato??? What is it that would make him attractive? His less-than-stellar stint at NC State? Or, the fact he returned to Florida State as an assistant coach just in time to help preside over the downfall of the storied program??

Yeah, he'd be great.
 


sonnygarcia said:
If you are sticking to this quote I would love to debate you on how I think Kirk Ferentz is an awesome coach and you can take the side that doesn't think he is good.

First years at Iowa:

1999: 1-11
2000: 3-9
2001: 7-5
2002: 11-2

and in 95' and 96' the hawks finished inside the top 25 so the program has decent records close to his arrival
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Barry Alvarez would like to chime in here, too:

1990: 1-10
1991: 5-6
1992: 5-6
1993: 10-1-1 (Rose Bowl)

As would Bill McCartney:

1982: 2-8-1
1983: 4-7
1984: 1-10
1985: 7-5
1986: 6-6
1987: 7-4
1988: 8-4
1989: 11-1 (Orange Bowl)
1990: 11-1-1 (National Title)
 






Oh God, please NO!

I live in the Carolinas and Amato was a disaster at NC State. He won some good games but he P/O'd everyone. We thought Mase had PR issues Amato would be a disaster. He is, however, a pretty good defensive coordinator. It seemed that he lacked the management skills to handle the responsibility of an entire team. The same thing we are waiting to see if Brew can do.
 



tjgopher said:
Barry Alvarez would like to chime in here, too:

1990: 1-10
1991: 5-6
1992: 5-6
1993: 10-1-1 (Rose Bowl)

As would Bill McCartney:

1982: 2-8-1
1983: 4-7
1984: 1-10
1985: 7-5
1986: 6-6
1987: 7-4
1988: 8-4
1989: 11-1 (Orange Bowl)
1990: 11-1-1 (National Title)
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Your logic is flawed. None ofthe aforementioned coaches inherited a team that went to a bowl game the year before. Brewster took over a 6 win team.

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dpodoll68,

Nice try on the little "three strikes and you're out" bit. Maybe next time you can at least look at the comments in their full context instead of making a tremendous homer stance in favor of Brew. I stand by my statements.

Point 1 - Good coaches don't take a decent team, turn it to *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# and then try to build it back up again. A couple people pointed out records of Ferentz, Alvarez and McCartney. Iowa in 1998 (the year before Ferentz) went 3-8. Wisconsin in 1989 (the year before Alvarez) was went 2-9. Colorado in 1981 (the year before McCartney) went 3-8. The Gophers went 6-7 the year before Brewster's 1-11 first-year campaign. Bottom line... Brewster took a team that had a better record than any of those Iowa, Wisconsin and Colorado teams and had a worse record than any of those coaches in their first years. I stand by my statement.

If you want "anecdotal" evidence the other way, then look at Saban at Alabama...

Before Saban
2006: 6-7
After Saban
2007: 7-6
2008: 12-2
2009: 7-0

Or Pelini at Nebraska...

Before Pelini
2007: 5-7
After Pelini
2008: 9-4
2009: 4-2

Or Gill at Buffalo...

Before Gill
2005: 1-10
After Gill
2006: 2-10
2007: 5-7
2008: 8-6
2009: 3-4 (they're clawing back after losing their best RB at the beginning of the year; also, don't kid yourself, no matter how good of a coach you are, you aren't going to get the best players at Buffalo)

Point 2: I stand by my statement about Brew's coaching. Weber's really progressed, hasn't he? How about our offensive line? Maybe guys like Campbell and Triplett are playing well, but I haven't seen anything beyond those few examples to suggest Brew is a great coach in terms of player development. Contrast that with Nebraska, which had one of its all time worst defenses the year before Pelini and in the year afterward was much improved while relying on a mostly young players (including a couple true freshman walk-ons).

Point 3: I agree that good coordinators move on to head coaching jobs and "better" coordinator positions. However, I don't think that typically happens after 1 year with a team. Withers left after 1 year to go to UNC. Roof left after 1 year to go to Auburn. I'll give you that these were "better" jobs, but I think it's unusual to leave after only one year. Dunbar resigned after 2 years because he sucked (and, as far as I kinow, didn't go anywhere). Brewster then replaced him with the "killer shot" Fisch and we're all pleased with how that has turned out so far. You can call this third point a wash, but I think the lack of loyalty from assistants reflects poorly on Brewster.

I guess it looks like my "at-bat" wasn't quite over...
 

Art Vandelay said:
Your logic is flawed. None ofthe aforementioned coaches inherited a team that went to a bowl game the year before. Brewster took over a 6 win team.

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Art--let's meet for a drink and I'll introduce you to some girls and we'll party! You need to lighten up and have some fun....Otherwise, quit bein such a downer all the time. Are you a Gopher fan or not? I've had season tickets for five years and it's honestly the best time of the year! If you don't like the Gophers or have a thing for Mason, go to the Wisky or Hawkeye board. If you do like the Gophers, let's have a little positive feedback at least every once in awhile.
 

All I'm saying is that Brewster's situation is not the same as Ferentz or Alvarez....
 


KoolAid is sitting back, watching this thread develop to the ridiculous point it has, and is laughing his ass off.

I'll still bite, I like Brew. 2012, however, may be a different story.
 

neut41 said:
Point 2: I stand by my statement about Brew's coaching. Weber's really progressed, hasn't he? How about our offensive line? Maybe guys like Campbell and Triplett are playing well, but I haven't seen anything beyond those few examples to suggest Brew is a great coach in terms of player development..
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Probably worth throwing Eric Decker on that list of players who have developed under Brewster, too. I hear he's turned into an ok player. :rolleyes:
 

MBAGuy said:
Probably worth throwing Eric Decker on that list of players who have developed under Brewster, too. I hear he's turned into an ok player. :rolleyes:
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Decker = Mason Recruit

He was solid in 2006, he was only bound to get better...unlike Wheelwright who mysteriously got worse his last year.......
 

thailleagle said:
Decker = Mason Recruit
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Gee, thanks, I had no idea.

So were Campbell and Tripplet, which were mentioned by the poster. He conveniently left Decker out. We're talking about player development, regardless of who recruited the player.

He may have been good in 2006, but he's effing great now. That didn't happen by magic. He's a dedicated fella who has had some good coaching along the way. I bet he would more than readily admit to that, as well.
 

MBAGuy said:
Gee, thanks, I had no idea.

So were Campbell and Tripplet, which were mentioned by the poster. He conveniently left Decker out. We're talking about player development, regardless of who recruited the player.

He may have been good in 2006, but he's effing great now. That didn't happen by magic. He's a dedicated fella who has had some good coaching along the way. I bet he would more than readily admit to that, as well.
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Well considering Decker is 2 years more experience should explain it.......

But the real question is...

Why has Weber not gotten better?
 

thailleagle said:
Well considering Decker is 2 years more experience should explain it.......

But the real question is...

Why has Weber not gotten better?
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That is a pivot. Nice try.

So, Decker is as good as he is because he's two years older than he was in 2006 and has two more years of experience? You're not willing to concede that maybe, just maybe he's had some good coaching along the way?
 

MBAGuy said:
That is a pivot. Nice try.

So, Decker is as good as he is because he's two years older than he was in 2006 and has two more years of experience? You're not willing to concede that maybe, just maybe he's had some good coaching along the way?
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With age comes experience yes.......

I like how you dodged the Weber question though, Nice.......
 

thailleagle said:
With age comes experience yes.......

I like how you dodged the Weber question though, Nice.......
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This is fun. So no on the coaching aspect, then?

I can avoid your question longer than you can avoid mine. :)
 

MBAGuy said:
This is fun. So no on the coaching aspect, then?

I can avoid your question longer than you can avoid mine. :)
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I look at it like this. Decker was a star already. He was pretty good in 2006 when he wasn't the #1 Option & when Wheelwright was struggling in 2007 they went to Decker more & found out he was pretty damn good.......

What went wrong with developing Weber?
 

thailleagle said:
I look at it like this. Decker was a star already. He was pretty good in 2006 when he wasn't the #1 Option & when Wheelwright was struggling in 2007 they went to Decker more & found out he was pretty damn good.......

What went wrong with developing Weber?
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So no on the coaching aspect, then?

Quit obfuscating and just answer the question. I'd be happy to discuss Weber's awful play as soon as we resolve it.
 

MBAGuy said:
So no on the coaching aspect, then?

Quit obfuscating and just answer the question. I'd be happy to discuss Weber's awful play as soon as we resolve it.
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It's hard to say...the only player I really can see some progression with is Stoudamire. I think they're doing a wonderful job converting him as a WR. Everyone else? I don't know...Offensively I don't see any other player progressing. Bennet got worse but that was clearly due to his injury last year because he hasn't been playing the same since. Eskridge? Still average...Weber? It's his Freshman year all over again...Green? Green was decent last year he just didn't get too many looks...Tow-Arnet was always a solid TE...I don't see anybody that seriously progressed.

The O-Line? Still terrible an entire year & a half later.......
 

Art Vandelay said:
Your logic is flawed. None ofthe aforementioned coaches inherited a team that went to a bowl game the year before. Brewster took over a 6 win team.

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Box?

Kirk Ferentz inherited a program that had been to a bowl game in 14 of the previous 17 years and was ranked in the Top 10 two years before he took over.

As to what Brewster inherited?? He inherited a team that was terrible. Minnesota was terrible in 2006 (needing three wins over three sub-.500 teams to get to 6-6 and a meager bowl.) That 2006 team started the Big Ten season 0-5. Got blown out by several teams. Then, Brewster lost the best player regardless of position off of that team (Dominic Jones) plus two other starters.

Look, no one is saying that Brewster is the best coach of all time. But, let's not lose sight of the fact that he inherited a program that hasn't won a Big Ten title in 40 years, had finished higher than third ONCE in the previous 30 years.

Art, you act as if Brewster inherited Lombardi's Packers. He didn't.

In fact, if you look at it without any bias, you could argue that Mason actually inherited more talent than Brewster did. Is there even a single bonafide NFL player that Mason left for Brewster outside of Decker who was ready to play in 2006? Wacker at least left Mason with a few of those.

Anyone who thinks Brewster walked into a better situation than what Ferentz walked into just hasn't followed it closely.

Ferentz inherited a team that was 3-8, but people don't realize that 1998 (Fry's last) season was short-circuited by the fact that both Hayden Fry and the Iowa Defensive Coordinator Bobby Elliot were undergoing cancer treatment while they were coaching that year. It was a lost year. They were in a bowl game the year before and in the Top Ten the year before that.
 

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