Coaching Staff Disaster

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You do remember mase rushing two against Philip rivers and drew Brees right? We've seen worse.
 

5-6 turnovers a game? That escalated quickly.

Being aggressive might lead to greater turnover rates, but situationally, it gives us a better chance to get a B1G win that carries some weight - something we haven't had in years. I wouldn't even call it playing agreesive , I'd just call it playing football.
 

SamSquatch said:
5-6 turnovers a game? That escalated quickly.

Being aggressive might lead to greater turnover rates, but situationally, it gives us a better chance to get a B1G win that carries some weight - something we haven't had in years. I wouldn't even call it playing agreesive , I'd just call it playing football.
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I don't think 5 turnovers would be out of question. Our team is not built for this aggressive style at all. If they were, we would be a lot more aggressive.
 

mcal24 said:
I don't consider moral victories as meaning anything, but I think we had a legitimate chance to win or keep it within one score for most of the game. Overall, this game wasn't too disappointing till the last few minutes. Did you people actually expect a win?
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Good god...what is wrong with us who had this crazy idea that we would be within 3 touchdowns at the end of the game???? Sorry, but I'm tired of people telling me that I'm wrong to want more than to be better than within two scores in the 4th quarter of both last week's game and today's.
 

mcal24 said:
Would you rather try to go up-tempo, all out passing, completely out of our style and end up with 5 or 6 turnovers a game?
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If we are down 2 or 3 scores in the mid-4th quarter and it means giving us a chance to win, yes. No one is saying it needs to be our new offensive identity for each game. Grow a pair.
 


SickAndTiredOfLosingToWI said:
It seems like they play for first downs. If we can gain 4 yards on 1st down, 3 on 2nd, 3 on 3rd, then, SUCCESS!! But they have no concept of the bigger picture.
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You really don't get ball control offense do you? I'm guessing you loved run-n-shoot
 

BarnBoy said:
If we are down 2 or 3 scores in the mid-4th quarter and it means giving us a chance to win, yes. No one is saying it needs to be our new offensive identity for each game. Grow a pair.
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Or only being down one score with over a minute left in the first half and watch us run out the clock with timeouts remaining....very frustrating.
 

BarnBoy said:
If we are down 2 or 3 scores in the mid-4th quarter and it means giving us a chance to win, yes. No one is saying it needs to be our new offensive identity for each game. Grow a pair.
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"Grow a pair" because I have a different opinion then you? Real mature. I think the coaches know what's best for the team. And unless you practice with them 7 days a week, they probably know better than you.
 




mcal24 said:
I don't think 5 turnovers would be out of question. Our team is not built for this aggressive style at all. If they were, we would be a lot more aggressive.
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5 turnovers per game would be an outlandish stat. I'm not for advocating doing things we can't do, but I am for taking chances in a game where you're semi-close despite being large underdogs.

Seriously though - five turnovers per game if we open it up a little? That's sincere pessimism about the abilities of our team to play basic, basic football.
 

mcal24 said:
"Grow a pair" because I have a different opinion then you? Real mature. I think the coaches know what's best for the team. And unless you practice with them 7 days a week, they probably know better than you.
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Really lame response, you don't need a Gopher coaches perspective to see and comment on our MIAC level offensive coaching.
 

Let's not overlook Claeys. He seemed to be more than a shade better than Limegrover over the past couple of years but Iowa's O coordinator made Claeys his beotch at some very critical junctures last week and then this week with the 3 man pass rush that was called time after time on third downs and basically just let Gardner sit back there and play catch? Limegrover probably took a step up today but Claeys I think continued his slide down. Combine that with the overall game strategy and it was another clunker overall.
 

goldengophers said:
Really lame response, you don't need a coaches perspective to see and comment on our MIAC level offensive coaching.
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I've said this before, but Jerry Kill and his staff have been extremely successful everywhere they have been. It is still early in his coaching career at MN, so I don't think we are in any position to question their strategy. They know the talent and what's better for the team much better than we do, as much as we would like to think otherwise. Yes, it can be frustrating watching our offense, but I trust what the coaches will be able to do.
 



What it comes down to is that if the Gophers are 2-6 or worse in conference this year and next, Teague picks a new coach. Most turnarounds are in the third or fourth years - Alvarez and Barnett in Rose Bowl with one-loss teams in fourth years. Holtz at Notre Dame - nat'l championship third year. James Franklin showed marked improvement at Vanderbilt in very first year. Gopher fans are long-suffering, but they've suffered too long. Obviously, we could win only one B1G game this year and possibly not even that, judging from Indiana's showing today.
 

mcal24 said:
"Grow a pair" because I have a different opinion then you? Real mature. I think the coaches know what's best for the team. And unless you practice with them 7 days a week, they probably know better than you.
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Sorry, didn't mean that directed at you. Look at my post history. I don't name call. I meant our offensive identity needs to "grow a pair". Take a risk every now and then. Like the on-side kick versus Iowa.

Here's a hypothetical. If, by some act of God, we manage to score with seconds left against a far superior opponent sometime this year and an extra point sends to OT and going for 2 wins the game, I have a feeling this coaching staff would "tie it up" 100% of the time. I'm talking signature win. Put your cojones on the table.

There is no right or wrong answer. But some of us want to see more of a killer attitude, especially when there is very little to lose - like today.
 

mcal24 said:
I've said this before, but Jerry Kill and his staff have been extremely successful everywhere they have been. It is still early in his coaching career at MN, so I don't think we are in any position to question their strategy. They know the talent and what's better for the team much better than we do, as much as we would like to think otherwise. Yes, it can be frustrating watching our offense, but I trust what the coaches will be able to do.
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It's also possible that our plucky, overacheiving, hard working coaching staff peaked within the MAC and aren't going to make it up here playing with the Big Boys. A bit too early to tell, but they're not trending in the right direction right now.
 

mcal24 said:
I've said this before, but Jerry Kill and his staff have been extremely successful everywhere they have been. It is still early in his coaching career at MN, so I don't think we are in any position to question their strategy. They know the talent and what's better for the team much better than we do, as much as we would like to think otherwise. Yes, it can be frustrating watching our offense, but I trust what the coaches will be able to do.
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This is the B1G, not coaching a perennial power in the MAC for 3 years. We now have more than enough on this staff to determine they get out coached offensively nearly every game. Most of the time we enter games with nothing to lose and execute the most conservative offensive gameplans I've seen in the B1G for some time. These guys aren't deities, I can evaluate their progress and can go on more than "faith".
 

mcal24 said:
I've said this before, but Jerry Kill and his staff have been extremely successful everywhere they have been. It is still early in his coaching career at MN, so I don't think we are in any position to question their strategy. They know the talent and what's better for the team much better than we do, as much as we would like to think otherwise. Yes, it can be frustrating watching our offense, but I trust what the coaches will be able to do.
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That was the same argument that Kill and Teague gave when they bought out the North Carolina games and replaced them with New Mexico State (AGGIEVISION!!!!)...he said he knows what he's doing about building a program, but right now all it looks like is that he knows how to get enough cheap wins to get to a lower-tier bowl game....and even that might be a stretch this year.
 

GopherDieHardDyingHard said:
That was the same argument that Kill and Teague gave when they bought out the North Carolina games and replaced them with New Mexico State (AGGIEVISION!!!!)...he said he knows what he's doing about building a program, but right now all it looks like is that he knows how to get enough cheap wins to get to a lower-tier bowl game....and even that might be a stretch this year.
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If the strategy was to play the worse teams in college during the Non-Conf then pray for 2 teams to be worse then us & make it to a Bowl Game every year we might as well have kept Mason...
 

Mase's ego would keep him from taking over for Kill.....

As interm coach for the balance of the year if coach Kill were to take a LOA. I would expect Limey or Clatsie to take over.
 

GopherDieHardDyingHard said:
Good god...what is wrong with us who had this crazy idea that we would be within 3 touchdowns at the end of the game???? Sorry, but I'm tired of people telling me that I'm wrong to want more than to be better than within two scores in the 4th quarter of both last week's game and today's.
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Who is your replacement to come in and take over? I don't like losing either, but it seems Minnesota's job seems to be where coaching careers go to die.
 


Coolew01 said:
Who is your replacement to come in and take over? I don't like losing either, but it seems Minnesota's job seems to be where coaching careers go to die.
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The simple answer is: I don't have the slightest idea. But, in the end, it's not my job to have those answers. What I do know is that IF Teague decides that a change is needed, at least we won't have Joel Maturi involved in the process!
 

GopherDieHardDyingHard said:
The simple answer is: I don't have the slightest idea. But, in the end, it's not my job to have those answers. What I do know is that IF Teague decides that a change is needed, at least we won't have Joel Maturi involved in the process!
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My point was, no up and coming coach seems to want this job. Agree on at least Maturi won't be involved.
 

mcal24 said:
And some coaches have different definitions of playing to win. Teams like Wisconsin and Stanford play it fairly conservatively and are very successful. Trying to avoid turnovers and playing conservatively is one strategy to staying in and winning games, which is what our coaches seem to do. Everyone wants the Texas A&M offense - throw it deep and score in 2 minute drives, but there is a reason Kill and his staff have been successful. Keep doing what works.
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OK. Next time Wisconsin or Stanford are 19.5 point dogs and find themselves in a game they shouldn't be in and still choose to play a vanilla offense then I'll agree. When you aren't out talented by most teams in the B1G you don't need to take a ton of risks. When you are...
 

Going into the fourth quarter, we had about ten points if I remember correctly. Our play distribution was about 32 rushes to 12 passes at the time. When we forced Michigan into a third down.....we rushed three and dropped everyone else back, giving Gardner all the time in the world. This conservative play calling is killing the team. As for talent levels......does anyone honestly think that we are going to attract top level recruits with this kind of gameplan?

Doesn't help that this is the second week in a row in which we have had the ball with a couple minutes left in the half.......and we have seemed content to run out the clock. How can the fans and players have faith in the team if the coaches don't?
 

Indi1006 said:
Our coaches gave up on the game right before halftime so I'm giving up on the game day thread. Kill's issue is problematic but really nothing we can do about that right now. That'll be addressed over the next couple of months he'll either manage his condition better or he'll be done. The bigger issue to me is watching the games. It sucks. I honestly in all of my 47 years have never seen a staff that seems completely uninterested in winning games. They don't play to win. I'm not sure what they're playing to do but it's certainly not playing to win. Our kids looked to me that they were willing to compete as hard as they could today. Between the play calling on O and the three man pass rush on D which killed us, absolutely killed us, we could have been manned by any D3 staff in America and we would have had a better chance to win today than Kill, Limegrover, Claeys, et al gave us. Academic improvement and accountability for the program and recruiting hard is all great; but it's low hanging fruit that this staff has plucked. If they can't game plan and game day coach then the game day experiences for fans, players; everyone is going to continue to suck. Today didn't need to suck but Limegrover, Claeys, et al made sure it did. It's a f*cking disaster.
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I agree 100%

I thought the same thing watching this game. It felt like the staff was more interested with waisting the clock down so the score would look more respectable and in the end that blew up in their face with the late TD and pick 6.

-Why didn't we make some offensive effort at the end of the first half?

-On almost every 3rd down we stuck with a 3 man rush. Once again it felt like the coaching staff was more interested in waisting the clock by keeping all big plays in front of them and just hoping it would take awhile for Michigan to move the ball.

-Why did we punt with 6 minutes left?

-Why were we milking the play clock down to 10 seconds in the 4th quarter when time wasn't on our side?

Just so many things that were frustrating. I know the argument has been made that firing the staff now and starting over would be a disaster but honestly things are not going to chance, especially form the offensive side of the ball. Limegrover just doesn't get it, I don't care if we have a young QB or not. He coaches the O-line too and they still suck.
*From a recruiting standpoint the only recruit I would be worried about losing would be Jones, we are still getting killed in recruiting so the "jolly gee shucks, hardworking kids" that Jerry has said we get that no one else appreciates aren't working.
Maturi made a bad hire and seriously doubt he looked into the documented game day seizures kill had in 2005 and I think 2001 was the other one.
 

Indi1006 said:
He has seizures on game days so I guess logic would tell us he has to manage his emotions or medications or something else better on game days or game weekends or he'll be done. It's as plain as the nose on your face.
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but could the nose be yours too?
 

Coolew01 said:
Who is your replacement to come in and take over? I don't like losing either, but it seems Minnesota's job seems to be where coaching careers go to die.
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Again this just isn't true and is so easily debunked by doing just a little research. Since Warmath, the Gophers have hired just one coach who with a winning record at a BCS level program in Lou Holtz and by all accounts Holtz was on track to do very well at Minnesota. We've hired two guys who were BCS level head coaches in Cal Stoll and Glen Mason and both of those guys did about as well at Minnesota as they did at their previous job. The fact is we haven't had one coach fail at Minnesota who was a proven winner. We also haven't had one coach be fired at Minnesota and do better at another program. If Mason did as well at Minnesota as some of his boosters like to claim, he would have gotten another job.

The fact is this program has been below average to bad for a long time. We haven't "hit" on a coach yet, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. If Joel Maturi would have hired Charlie Strong, we'd be having a different conversation....just as we likely would be in a completely different place if we hired Bobby Ross post Holtz (Post Gutey? before my time).
 

EG#9 said:
Again this just isn't true and is so easily debunked by doing just a little research. Since Warmath, the Gophers have hired just one coach who with a winning record at a BCS level program in Lou Holtz and by all accounts Holtz was on track to do very well at Minnesota. We've hired two guys who were BCS level head coaches in Cal Stoll and Glen Mason and both of those guys did about as well at Minnesota as they did at their previous job. The fact is we haven't had one coach fail at Minnesota who was a proven winner. We also haven't had one coach be fired at Minnesota and do better at another program. If Mason did as well at Minnesota as some of his boosters like to claim, he would have gotten another job.

The fact is this program has been below average to bad for a long time. We haven't "hit" on a coach yet, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. If Joel Maturi would have hired Charlie Strong, we'd be having a different conversation....just as we likely would be in a completely different place if we hired Bobby Ross post Holtz (Post Gutey? before my time).
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There are posters here who think/believe it should/could happen in two years. Barring complete ineptitude any coach they hire deserves four years.
 

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