Claeys should sit Eric Murray, possibly other Seniors in a potential bowl game

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I think we should savage the OP. We are Gopherhole.
 

Spoofin said:
I wouldn't sit him and more importantly EM31 wouldn't want to sit. Still, not that bad of a question/discussion point. Not sure why the OP is being savaged for it?
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If he wasn't participating in the senior bowl, the question would make a lot more sense. There are plenty of opportunities where he can get hurt between now and the draft. Training with one of those "elite" pre-draft trainers for instance. He could just sit on the couch and play COD until the draft I suppose.

But, yes spoofin, I do agree with you he wouldn't want to sit. I would like to think any team player worth his mettle will want to play their last game.
 

I would like it just to see the people (person) that wanted the seniors to sit out the game hyperbolically freak out about losing the game.
 





I see where EG#9 is going here, and IMO it's not outlandish to think that younger players would be given a more prominent role in a lower-tier bowl game when your team has had a disappointing season.

But this is a different situation with Claeys. He has a short contract, and not a lot time to prove himself. His fist few games haven't been great, specifically the clock mis-management against Michigan and the all-around disappointing performance against your biggest rival. He is going to feel pressure to get a W, and will do everything he can to get it. As for Murray specifically, I think his loyalty to his defensive coordinator will outweigh his injury and career concerns.
 

The Gophers should play every game to win. That means the best players should play, period.
 

EG#9 said:
Curious to see how many agree with me here. Given that Eric Murray is a virtual certainty to be drafted, there is no sense in him playing in this bowl game when nothing is on the line. Other Seniors who may be drafted should be given the option of playing/not playing in the bowl game. Most are aware of the risks of this game and the best thing for Murray's future (and possibly others) would be to make it to the NFL Combine as healthy as possible.
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While I understand your reasoning, I don't agree. A player signs up to be a part of a team. Football is inherently a risky undertaking, but he should participate whenever/wherever he can help the team, and the coaches have a right to expect that from him.

Above all, the team should be playing to win at all times.
 



EG#9 said:
Curious to see how many agree with me here. Given that Eric Murray is a virtual certainty to be drafted, there is no sense in him playing in this bowl game when nothing is on the line. Other Seniors who may be drafted should be given the option of playing/not playing in the bowl game. Most are aware of the risks of this game and the best thing for Murray's future (and possibly others) would be to make it to the NFL Combine as healthy as possible.
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Anyone with this mindset should sent to the firing squad and I am not talking about pink slips.
 

This was the first thing I thought of when I saw this thread. Not sure if it was ever posted here? However, Jack did it after he got hurt. I think as CFB becomes more of a business itself and guys want to protect and ensure their future earnings you may see even more of this happening. Not a completely absurd thought or question.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/10/06/myles-jack-nfl-draft-ucla-bruins-linebacker

And another one on if Fournette should have sat out

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...t-out-college-football-in-2016-153835216.html

But therein lies the rub. Remember Marcus Lattimore? Yes, he was the South Carolina back who looked every bit as good as Fournette did, scoring 30 TDs and averaging 130.5 yards from scrimmage per game in his first 20 contests with the Gamecocks before horrifically blowing out his knee and forever altering his pro potential.

Although he returned to the field in college the following season miraculously, Latitmore applied for the draft early but fell to the fourth round after a second knee injury cut his junior season short.

Todd Gurley still landed in the top 10 of this past April’s draft, but he’s fortunate his ACL injury didn’t hurt his stock more. A suspension included, Gurley’s final season at Georgia consisted of a mere six games.
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Fournette has the potential to be a top-10 pick. But the risk of injury for a player who has averaged about 20 carries and catches per game in his past 10 contests dating back to last season is concerning. The Tigers have another eight games scheduled this season, and they could play two more with an SEC title game appearance and a bowl game.

That means Fournette will be eligible to play in at least 20 more games — and somewhere around 400-450 touches — before the NFL will open its doors to him.

Fournette can’t go play in the CFL, as some have suggested he do. The two leagues have a deal to prevent non-draft-eligible players from plying their trade up north as a method of stalling. He certainly could opt to sit out the college season in 2016, but Fournette would risk NFL teams questioning his desire to play and love of the game, fairly or not, if he chose that route.

Damned (possibly) if he does play, damned if he doesn’t.

“That would be an issue for some teams, yes,” the director said. “He’d be grilled on it at every interview he does [with teams].”
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scher215 said:
This was the first thing I thought of when I saw this thread. Not sure if it was ever posted here? However, Jack did it after he got hurt. I think as CFB becomes more of a business itself and guys want to protect and ensure their future earnings you may see even more of this happening. Not a completely absurd thought or question.
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Everybody gets that it does actually happen. But just because Richard Branson dropped out of high school and is now worth $4.6 billion, it doesn't mean that we should start advocating for kids to drop out of high school.
 

I think this is the dumbest thread I've ever seen



You must be the worst competitor in the world
 



Let's continue with the brilliant logic laid out in the OP:

1. Not only should the Gophers sit Murray, any college team not in the CFP should bench all seniors who may have a shot at the NFL.
2. But let's not stop there. Any juniors or redshirt soph's who have shown up on a draft board should also sit.
 

Is Murray a lock to be drafted?

This seems more of a strategy for a top 10 pick than a potential 5th round pick.
 

Winnipegopher said:
Is Murray a lock to be drafted?

This seems more of a strategy for a top 10 pick than a potential 5th round pick.
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Murray will definitely be drafted. Had he declared last year, he probably would've been 2nd or 3rd round. Now it'll be more like 4th or 5th round. But that's ok.
 



gopher7 said:
I see where EG#9 is going here, and IMO it's not outlandish to think that younger players would be given a more prominent role in a lower-tier bowl game when your team has had a disappointing season.
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If a premium is placed on those 15 extra practices as we so often hear it isn't outlandish to think the younger players will play more for the actual game reps compared to guys that aren't going to be on the team next year.

gopher7 said:
But this is a different situation with Claeys. He has a short contract, and not a lot time to prove himself. His fist few games haven't been great, specifically the clock mis-management against Michigan and the all-around disappointing performance against your biggest rival. He is going to feel pressure to get a W, and will do everything he can to get it. As for Murray specifically, I think his loyalty to his defensive coordinator will outweigh his injury and career concerns.
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I don't believe Claeys will feel any pressure to win this game and there won't be any pressure put on him by the administration to win a meaningless bowl game. Murray may feel loyalty to his coach or he may just want to play a half and start concentrating on his draft prospects.
 

EG#9 said:
Unsurprising to see two of the biggest jokes on the board be incapable of just responding with their opinion. NFL teams frequently sit guys in the last game of the year if their fate is decided (one way or another). Eric Murray, and others in his situation, could lose a million dollars if things go poorly. I think there is a legitimate argument to having him play, but it's not what I would do.
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It is so preposterous a premise that it is an almost inconceivable piece of subject matter.

No GM in the NFL would sign a player, let alone draft him, if he sat out a game for fear of injury.

Done and done.
 

scools12 said:
If a premium is placed on those 15 extra practices as we so often hear it isn't outlandish to think the younger players will play more for the actual game reps compared to guys that aren't going to be on the team next year.
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Giving an increased amount of reps to underclassmen is almost a no-brainer. Sitting your seniors is completely idiotic.
 

scools12 said:
I don't believe Claeys will feel any pressure to win this game and there won't be any pressure put on him by the administration to win a meaningless bowl game. Murray may feel loyalty to his coach or he may just want to play a half and start concentrating on his draft prospects.
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Seven straight bowl losses.

Make it eight losses and that's the lead of every story entering a season, every story in December about a potential bowl destination, every story leading up to the actual bowl game.

There is plenty of pressure.

Northwestern had a streak of nine (dating back to 1949 of course, but they were in the middle of five straight bowls by the time they finally won).
 




Maximus said:
Seven straight bowl losses.

There is plenty of pressure.
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Not one of those losses was Tracy Claeys the head coach. Maybe if the team was going to a better bowl and Jerry Kill was still the head coach there might be some pressure seeing how if they lost the game it would be 4 straight bowl losses under Kill. There is absolutely no pressure on Claeys or the program to win this bowl game.
 

scools12 said:
Not one of those losses was Tracy Claeys the head coach. Maybe if the team was going to a better bowl and Jerry Kill was still the head coach there might be some pressure seeing how if they lost the game it would be 4 straight bowl losses under Kill. There is absolutely no pressure on Claeys or the program to win this bowl game.
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Huh? Of course, there is pressure. Much of it comes from themselves. They're competitive people who naturally want to win. Some of it comes from the outside. All the crap they're getting from the media over this bowl game, and don't you think it won't be more if they lose in a "meaningless" bowl game that we should be "embarrassed" about?
 

scools12 said:
Not one of those losses was Tracy Claeys the head coach. Maybe if the team was going to a better bowl and Jerry Kill was still the head coach there might be some pressure seeing how if they lost the game it would be 4 straight bowl losses under Kill. There is absolutely no pressure on Claeys or the program to win this bowl game.
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Are you serious? Claeys has a record of 1-4 and a perception (by some) that the job was handed to him. I guarantee there is pressure to win. While a win won't be celebrated, a loss will definitely be mocked by local media and fans. Additionally, the ticket office needs some momentum to sell a ticket increase off a disappointing year.
 

I think that we are going to win this bowl game. Just a feeling.

Maximus said:
Seven straight bowl losses.

Make it eight losses and that's the lead of every story entering a season, every story in December about a potential bowl destination, every story leading up to the actual bowl game.

There is plenty of pressure.

Northwestern had a streak of nine (dating back to 1949 of course, but they were in the middle of five straight bowls by the time they finally won).
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Maximus said:
Seven straight bowl losses.

Make it eight losses and that's the lead of every story entering a season, every story in December about a potential bowl destination, every story leading up to the actual bowl game.

There is plenty of pressure.

Northwestern had a streak of nine (dating back to 1949 of course, but they were in the middle of five straight bowls by the time they finally won).
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I think Northwestern's streak of 111 seasons without an invite to the NCAA basketball tournament is a bigger story.
 

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