Charley Walters: Tubby Smith's status could come to a head

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per Shooter:

"Minnesota has a bold new president, Eric Kaler, who wants Gophers sports teams to be capable of winning national championships. He expects his new athletics director, who'll be hired this spring, to hire coaches who can achieve that.

It appears now that it will be the new AD who determines whether, and when, Smith gets a contract extension. For recruiting purposes, an extension seems essential, even if it's a fake extension, meaning Minnesota would have limited liability if Smith were fired."

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_20096589

Go Gophers!!
 

The "fake" extension seems like the most likely route, but it's interesting that Shooter seems to be going back on his report that an extension was imminent. We are obviously in a very tough spot with a well respected coach who has a big buyout. I wouldn't be shocked if Tubby has enough leverage (and the administration is spineless enough) to force a real extension. I really, really hope this team can go 11-7 or better in the conference next year and win a minimum of 1 NCAA game. That seems incredibly unlikely now, but it would solve so many problems.
 

Shooter is very pro Tubby. Just like he was pro Mase. I don't see what leverage Tubby has, but I agree with you. In the end they extend him. A new AD isn't going to walk in here and get rid of a hall of fame coach. He should, but it is unlikely.
 

EG#9 said:
The "fake" extension seems like the most likely route, but it's interesting that Shooter seems to be going back on his report that an extension was imminent. We are obviously in a very tough spot with a well respected coach who has a big buyout. I wouldn't be shocked if Tubby has enough leverage (and the administration is spineless enough) to force a real extension. I really, really hope this team can go 11-7 or better in the conference next year and win a minimum of 1 NCAA game. That seems incredibly unlikely now, but it would solve so many problems.
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10-8 and a tourney win are likely. I remember expressing to you before, most teams in the B1G consider 10-8 a victory. You may recall you went to great lengths to define "most".
 

howieramone said:
10-8 and a tourney win are likely. I remember expressing to you before, most teams in the B1G consider 10-8 a victory. You may recall you went to great lengths to define "most".
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Don't get me wrong Howie, I'd be fine with 10-8 and a tourney win, I just question whether that would be enough to get momentum back. I certainly wouldn't be fine with 10-8 being considered a "victory", but it's certainly not a bad season. I wish I had your optomism for this current group of Gophers, but (as I have probably stated before) I think they will be picked to finish between 9th-12th in the B1G to open next season. If you would like to wager on the Gophers finishing 10-8 or better and the Gophers winning a tournament game, I would let you name the price. I would also consider myself the loser of the bet if the Gophers advanced to the sweet 16 or better regardless of their B1G record. I would actually love to lose such a bet.
 


An NCAA tourney win gets some momentum. Whether its 11-7 or 10-8 is splitting hairs, big time.
 

EG#9 said:
Don't get me wrong Howie, I'd be fine with 10-8 and a tourney win, I just question whether that would be enough to get momentum back. I certainly wouldn't be fine with 10-8 being considered a "victory", but it's certainly not a bad season. I wish I had your optomism for this current group of Gophers, but (as I have probably stated before) I think they will be picked to finish between 9th-12th in the B1G to open next season. If you would like to wager on the Gophers finishing 10-8 or better and the Gophers winning a tournament game, I would let you name the price. I would also consider myself the loser of the bet if the Gophers advanced to the sweet 16 or better regardless of their B1G record. I would actually love to lose such a bet.
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I am one who does not bet. Never even bought a scratch-off or lottery ticket in my life. Feel 10-8 and a tourney win will give us momentum and we go for the jugular the next 2 years. I agree I'm very optimistic, seems like I've been waiting forever for a team like this. Hope I'm right. We all know the B1G doesn't wait for anyone to catch up.
 

howieramone said:
I am one who does not bet. Never even bought a scratch-off or lottery ticket in my life. Feel 10-8 and a tourney win will give us momentum and we go for the jugular the next 2 years. I agree I'm very optimistic, seems like I've been waiting forever for a team like this. Hope I'm right. We all know the B1G doesn't wait for anyone to catch up.
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I hope you're right as well (never bought a lottery ticket either btw).
 

minngg said:
Shooter is very pro Tubby. Just like he was pro Mase. I don't see what leverage Tubby has, but I agree with you. In the end they extend him. A new AD isn't going to walk in here and get rid of a hall of fame coach. He should, but it is unlikely.
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Hall of fame coach? That is as insane as all the talk that used to be on the board about Rodney being a first round NBA pick. If Tubby doesn't right this ship he will have no chance of being a Hall of Famer. Hall of Fame coaches don't have year after year of sub-.500 major conference records.

That being said, I hope he turns the ship around and gets back in line for Hall of Fame consideration.
 



exiledinduluth said:
Hall of Fame coaches don't have year after year of sub-.500 major conference records.
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Mike Krzyzewski: 6-8, 4-10, 3-11 in 1981-83 at Duke
Walter Meanwell: 4-8, 3-9, 4-8 in 1931-33 at Wisconsin
Tex Winter: 3-11, 4-14, 7-11, 4-14, 4-14 in 1974-78 at Northwestern
Henry Iba: 2-12, 2-12, 3-11, 5-9, 5-9 in 1966-70 at Ok St.
Don Haskins: 3-11, 2-12, 3-9 in 1977-79 at UTEP
Slats Gill: 6-10, 3-13, 6-10 in 1951-53 at Oregon St.
Doggie Julian: 4-10, 3-11, 2-12, 0-14, 1-13, 0-14, 1-13 in 1961-67 at Dartmouth
Jack Gardner: 2-8, 3-7, 3-7, 3-7 in 1940-42, 1947 at Kansas St.

Shall I keep going?
 

dpodoll68 said:
Mike Krzyzewski: 6-8, 4-10, 3-11 in 1981-83 at Duke
Walter Meanwell: 4-8, 3-9, 4-8 in 1931-33 at Wisconsin
Tex Winter: 3-11, 4-14, 7-11, 4-14, 4-14 in 1974-78 at Northwestern
Henry Iba: 2-12, 2-12, 3-11, 5-9, 5-9 in 1966-70 at Ok St.
Don Haskins: 3-11, 2-12, 3-9 in 1977-79 at UTEP
Slats Gill: 6-10, 3-13, 6-10 in 1951-53 at Oregon St.
Doggie Julian: 4-10, 3-11, 2-12, 0-14, 1-13, 0-14, 1-13 in 1961-67 at Dartmouth
Jack Gardner: 2-8, 3-7, 3-7, 3-7 in 1940-42, 1947 at Kansas St.

Shall I keep going?
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please do since you have the stats. I think the Krzyzewski guy has turned things around at Duke, Did any of the post 1970 guys turn things around or did they continue their bad years until retirement? Just noting that if Tubby is to be a hall of famer he had better turn things around
 

exiledinduluth said:
please do since you have the stats. I think the Krzyzewski guy has turned things around at Duke, Did any of the post 1970 guys turn things around or did they continue their bad years until retirement? Just noting that if Tubby is to be a hall of famer he had better turn things around
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With a 42-54 Big Ten record, I mean with a resume like that, why wouldn't he get re signed for six or eight more years? Eventually though we will lose him to another school that also doesn't care about wins.
 

minngg said:
Shooter is very pro Tubby. Just like he was pro Mase. I don't see what leverage Tubby has, but I agree with you. In the end they extend him. A new AD isn't going to walk in here and get rid of a hall of fame coach. He should, but it is unlikely.
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No actually he shouldn't fire him. It's a really young team and Tubby will turn it around because he's a good coach.
 




dpodoll68 said:
Mike Krzyzewski: 6-8, 4-10, 3-11 in 1981-83 at Duke
Walter Meanwell: 4-8, 3-9, 4-8 in 1931-33 at Wisconsin
Tex Winter: 3-11, 4-14, 7-11, 4-14, 4-14 in 1974-78 at Northwestern
Henry Iba: 2-12, 2-12, 3-11, 5-9, 5-9 in 1966-70 at Ok St.
Don Haskins: 3-11, 2-12, 3-9 in 1977-79 at UTEP
Slats Gill: 6-10, 3-13, 6-10 in 1951-53 at Oregon St.
Doggie Julian: 4-10, 3-11, 2-12, 0-14, 1-13, 0-14, 1-13 in 1961-67 at Dartmouth
Jack Gardner: 2-8, 3-7, 3-7, 3-7 in 1940-42, 1947 at Kansas St.

Shall I keep going?
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1933, 1947, 1961, 1951. Guess you showed us, lol.
 


dpodoll68 said:
Mike Krzyzewski: 6-8, 4-10, 3-11 in 1981-83 at Duke
Walter Meanwell: 4-8, 3-9, 4-8 in 1931-33 at Wisconsin
Tex Winter: 3-11, 4-14, 7-11, 4-14, 4-14 in 1974-78 at Northwestern
Henry Iba: 2-12, 2-12, 3-11, 5-9, 5-9 in 1966-70 at Ok St.
Don Haskins: 3-11, 2-12, 3-9 in 1977-79 at UTEP
Slats Gill: 6-10, 3-13, 6-10 in 1951-53 at Oregon St.
Doggie Julian: 4-10, 3-11, 2-12, 0-14, 1-13, 0-14, 1-13 in 1961-67 at Dartmouth
Jack Gardner: 2-8, 3-7, 3-7, 3-7 in 1940-42, 1947 at Kansas St.

Shall I keep going?
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What scares me about this list is that besides Walter Meanwell, Don Haskins, and Slats Gill, these stretches game either at the beginning of their tenure at a school (not falling after already posting .500 records with the teams) or at the end of their tenures from which they never got the team back above .500.
 

minngg said:
I is a young team because everyone left.
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Yeah, he got rid of his best players and has "coached down" the remnants. What a load of crap. Tubby's time came and went 10 years ago.
 

highwayman said:
Yeah, he got rid of his best players and has "coached down" the remnants. What a load of crap. Tubby's time came and went 10 years ago.
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Your love for Kill and disdain for Tubby is hilarious.
 



Please keep going!

dpodoll68 said:
Mike Krzyzewski: 6-8, 4-10, 3-11 in 1981-83 at Duke
Walter Meanwell: 4-8, 3-9, 4-8 in 1931-33 at Wisconsin
Tex Winter: 3-11, 4-14, 7-11, 4-14, 4-14 in 1974-78 at Northwestern
Henry Iba: 2-12, 2-12, 3-11, 5-9, 5-9 in 1966-70 at Ok St.
Don Haskins: 3-11, 2-12, 3-9 in 1977-79 at UTEP
Slats Gill: 6-10, 3-13, 6-10 in 1951-53 at Oregon St.
Doggie Julian: 4-10, 3-11, 2-12, 0-14, 1-13, 0-14, 1-13 in 1961-67 at Dartmouth
Jack Gardner: 2-8, 3-7, 3-7, 3-7 in 1940-42, 1947 at Kansas St.

Shall I keep going?
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Just shows how little needs to be accomplished with all schools to get in the hall of fame. Consistency must not be a great consideration to the voters. How many went on to bigger schools with the impressive records, Dpo?
 

Gold Vision said:
Your love for Kill and disdain for Tubby is hilarious.
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One coach has been given a chance and one hasn't. If Coach Kill has a little success and the program regresses after 5 years, I think his position will change.
 


minngg said:
Doesn't that depend on your definition of year after year? I don't think 3 years is "year after year", do you?
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So then you don't think tubby has been below .500 year after year either? He's only been sub .500 three times in his career and only twice in a row.
 


No, I never made that comment. I said he hasn't finished in the top half of the conference since he got here and has a 38-49 conference record. I said not many programs would even think of offering an extension two years only with a coach with a record like this. Especially when the trend is down, not up. You can nitpick this coach or that coach of a bottom feeding team or some coach in 1960, but the truth is Tubby deserves nothing. He has been grossly overpaid for 5 years and also cost the U alot of money by exceeding his authority and hiring a coach he had no right to hire. He has failed in almost every aspect of his job and deserves to explain his results not make demands.
 

minngg said:
No, I never made that comment. I said he hasn't finished in the top half of the conference since he got here and has a 38-49 conference record. I said not many programs would even think of offering an extension two years only with a coach with a record like this. Especially when the trend is down, not up. You can nitpick this coach or that coach of a bottom feeding team or some coach in 1960, but the truth is Tubby deserves nothing. He has been grossly overpaid for 5 years and also cost the U alot of money by exceeding his authority and hiring a coach he had no right to hire. He has failed in almost every aspect of his job and deserves to explain his results not make demands.
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+1/2, since I am still waiting for the miraculous BTT net cutting by RSIII.
 

minngg said:
Shooter is very pro Tubby. Just like he was pro Mase. I don't see what leverage Tubby has, but I agree with you. In the end they extend him. A new AD isn't going to walk in here and get rid of a hall of fame coach. He should, but it is unlikely.
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It appears that the phrase "Hall of Fame coach" is still going to be tossed about with reckless abandon.
 

Parski1 said:
No actually he shouldn't fire him. It's a really young team and Tubby will turn it around because he's a good coach.
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If he were to turn it around, maybe you can make the case that he is a "good" coach. If he does get a couple more years, and fails to do so, do you think you might possibly finally re-evaluate that notion?
 

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