Can we please, please, PLEASE find one more guard for next year

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'Dre needs some help. I understand that people are excited for 'Dre/Rodney/Trevor, but having only one ballhandler will continue to be a recipe for disaster. There's a few reasons nobody else on the team wants the ball in their hands besides 'Dre, but one of the bigger ones is that nobody else can handle the ball. We could fix some of this with a better offensive scheme (more movement not forcing guys to hold on to the ball for so long), but at some point you simply have to have a second guy you trust to handle the ball.
 

Isn't it unusual to find a star guard after signing day with no scholarships available? If not, I'm all for it too... :cool:
 

I think Austin would have been alright too, but it didn't seem like that was the purpose of the offense. Honestly I think we need to use Austin more in the offense.
 

and never let welch see the court again...
 



Aren't you the guy that bitches about spring recruits all the time?
 


ummm...why not let the players they have mature a little...just a thought...;)
 

t-docious said:
and never let welch see the court again...
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Yeah, I can't stand guys who hit 45% of their 3-pointers. Remember, he is playing hurt right now. He's not a superstar, but he's a good player who deserves 20-25 minutes a game.
 



GophersInIowa said:
Yeah, I can't stand guys who hit 45% of their 3-pointers. Remember, he is playing hurt right now. He's not a superstar, but he's a good player who deserves 20-25 minutes a game.
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he'll never get 20-25 minutes anymore unless one or both of Rodney/Trevor don't play next year. No space for him: Dre 30+, Austin 25+, Coleman 20+, Rodney 35+, Trevor 25-30+, EE 20+, then there's Mo and maybe Chip, Oto with 10+, Ingram with 10+ and by the time you're done with all there really isn't much time left.
 

Agreed. Austin is a crafty one. He's quietly been a stud all month - he's just been overshadowed by Rodney and Andre.

zambam said:
I think Austin would have been alright too, but it didn't seem like that was the purpose of the offense. Honestly I think we need to use Austin more in the offense.
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cncmin said:
he'll never get 20-25 minutes anymore unless one or both of Rodney/Trevor don't play next year. No space for him: Dre 30+, Austin 25+, Coleman 20+, Rodney 35+, Trevor 25-30+, EE 20+, then there's Mo and maybe Chip, Oto with 10+, Ingram with 10+ and by the time you're done with all there really isn't much time left.
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What if Dre gets hurt? What if he's in foul trouble? What if...what if? 30 minutes a game is a lot if everything goes perfect & it won't. Welch is serviceable but he's no star. Next years team could be special, our weak link is the lack of a 2nd PG.
 

cncmin said:
he'll never get 20-25 minutes anymore unless one or both of Rodney/Trevor don't play next year. No space for him: Dre 30+, Austin 25+, Coleman 20+, Rodney 35+, Trevor 25-30+, EE 20+, then there's Mo and maybe Chip, Oto with 10+, Ingram with 10+ and by the time you're done with all there really isn't much time left.
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Are you suggesting Rodney will almost never sit next year? I don't think that's realistic. 30 minutes might be realistic, but not 35. Welch can, and should be, a very important piece off the bench next year. He ought to far exceed Chip in minutes, at the very least, and he is our best 3 point shooter.
 



EG#9 said:
'Dre needs some help. I understand that people are excited for 'Dre/Rodney/Trevor, but having only one ballhandler will continue to be a recipe for disaster. There's a few reasons nobody else on the team wants the ball in their hands besides 'Dre, but one of the bigger ones is that nobody else can handle the ball. We could fix some of this with a better offensive scheme (more movement not forcing guys to hold on to the ball for so long), but at some point you simply have to have a second guy you trust to handle the ball.
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EG's right! PG is our weak link next year. We could lose EE, or Mo, or Trevor, or Rodney, or Coleman, or Austin & still be dominant. If we lose Dre we're middle of the pack...maybe. Welch is a decent back-up PG but not a guy who'll win you championships as your #1 PG.
 


Is Lockett capable of playing pg if Dre needs a rest or gets in foul trouble? I don't know that much about him.
 

I think the problem with blowing leads comes from the top down. Tubby's mentality is to milk the clock 30 seconds and try to find an open shot late in the shot clock. You could see Tubby saying "no-no-no" when Austin shot that quick 3 with about 3 minutes left. I had no problem with it because it was an open look and he was in rhythm...the result was a rimout that time, but keep shooting those Austin or Welch have proved they can hit 40% or better. They will fall and the pressure will subside. The slowing it down strategy might work if the Gophers had more experienced and better ball-handlers. We don't have the personnel to play the Wisconsin, milking-the-shot-clock way effectively. The Gophers built up their lead by playing the transition game and getting good shots off transition chances.

For once, I would like to see Tubby tell them to keep pushing it all the way til the last 60 seconds of the game. I'd rather go down doing what got us there then change things up, stagnate and gradually see our lead evaporate. I'd rather lose the lead 3 minutes left than in the last minute.
 


EG#9 said:
'Dre needs some help. I understand that people are excited for 'Dre/Rodney/Trevor, but having only one ballhandler will continue to be a recipe for disaster. There's a few reasons nobody else on the team wants the ball in their hands besides 'Dre, but one of the bigger ones is that nobody else can handle the ball. We could fix some of this with a better offensive scheme (more movement not forcing guys to hold on to the ball for so long), but at some point you simply have to have a second guy you trust to handle the ball.
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This is absolutely correct. Andre should be playing off the ball for much of the game. He can get into the lane against teams like Washingtonthat play little defense, but inthe Big Ten his strength will be shooting and pulling up for j's. A solid pg would make his game so much better down the road.
 

sure we can get another guard with all the open scholarships available????
 


minngg said:
This is absolutely correct. Andre should be playing off the ball for much of the game. He can get into the lane against teams like Washingtonthat play little defense, but inthe Big Ten his strength will be shooting and pulling up for j's. A solid pg would make his game so much better down the road.
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You mean like UCONN did with Kemba Walker and Duke did with Nolan Smith or UCLA did with Russell Westbrook or Wisconsin did with Jordan Taylor

Hey, Wait a second ...
 

scher215 said:
You mean like UCONN did with Kemba Walker and Duke did with Nolan Smith or UCLA did with Russell Westbrook or Wisconsin did with Jordan Taylor

Hey, Wait a second ...
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Huh? Jordan Taylor wasn't a pg in high school? Westbrook? Nolan only played because of injury to Irving. Get your facts straight. Just say you think Andre is going to be a great pg and that we don't need another one if that is how you feel. Don't need to be a dick about it.
 

minngg said:
Huh? Jordan Taylor wasn't a pg in high school? Westbrook? Nolan only played because of injury to Irving. Get your facts straight. Just say you think Andre is going to be a great pg and that we don't need another one if that is how you feel. Don't need to be a dick about it.
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There is a common misconception that a "scoring PG" doesn't work and Dre can't play PG because he scores. The above list are all successful PG's who were primarily scorers. It works in college (less so in the NBA).

And Nolan Smith winning an NCAA title at PG sure shows you need a pass first PG to win. Nolan Smith played PG for Duke before Kyrie ever stepped foot on campus as a Blue Devil.
 

scher215 said:
There is a common misconception that a "scoring PG" doesn't work and Dre can't play PG because he scores. The above list are all successful PG's who were primarily scorers. It works in college (less so in the NBA).

And Nolan Smith winning an NCAA title at PG sure shows you need a pass first PG to win. Nolan Smith played PG for Duke before Kyrie ever stepped foot on campus as a Blue Devil.
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I never said scoring pgs can't work. In fact I hope if we get a pg ever, they can score in bunches because if you can't score, you won't get doubled or collapsed on when you drive. Hollins was not a pg in high school. He can play the point, but the team and he would be better at sg like Booby Jackson who also could play the point easily.
 

The best comparison to Andre right now is Keith Appling at Michigan State. Both are natural 2-guards learning to play the point for demanding, national-championship winning coaches.

One should expect bumps along the road early on in their careers as PGs (read: turnovers & decision making), but by the time their college careers are over I'd bet they'll end up being dynamite B1G PGs. The transition from being more of a SG to a PG doesn't happen overnight.
 

SelectionSunday said:
The best comparison to Andre right now is Keith Appling at Michigan State. Both are natural 2-guards learning to play the point for demanding, national-championship winning coaches.

One should expect bumps along the road early on in their careers as PGs (read: turnovers & decision making), but by the time their college careers are over I'd bet they'll end up being dynamite B1G PGs. The transition from being more of a SG to a PG doesn't happen overnight.
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If Tyus Jones comes in 2014 to MSU, Appling will blow up at the 2. MSu lost because of lack of floor general in my opinion.
 

scher215 said:
There is a common misconception that a "scoring PG" doesn't work and Dre can't play PG because he scores. The above list are all successful PG's who were primarily scorers. It works in college (less so in the NBA).

And Nolan Smith winning an NCAA title at PG sure shows you need a pass first PG to win. Nolan Smith played PG for Duke before Kyrie ever stepped foot on campus as a Blue Devil.
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I agree. And on Lockett-

Lockett leads ASU in scoring (13.9 points a game), rebounding (6.4), three-point field goal percentage (.424) and steals (26) while averaging 35 minutes a game, but it seems unlikely that he would be able to play that much in his first weekend back.

The numbers proclaim his value. ASU averages 64 points and shoots 47 percent when Lockett plays. When he does not, those numbers are 52.2 and 41. ASU has a 3.1 rebounding edge per game with him and is outrebounded by 4.1 without him. Opponents have shot 46.2 percent from the field in the last six games compared with 41.4 when Lockett was healthy.

Lockett had taken over at the primary point guard in the four games before his injury, after Keala King was dismissed from the team, and Sendek said he expects Lockett to play some point guard again, even as Chris Colvin has had some of his better games as a starter recently.
 

HOOP DREAMS said:
I agree. And on Lockett-

Lockett leads ASU in scoring (13.9 points a game), rebounding (6.4), three-point field goal percentage (.424) and steals (26) while averaging 35 minutes a game, but it seems unlikely that he would be able to play that much in his first weekend back.

The numbers proclaim his value. ASU averages 64 points and shoots 47 percent when Lockett plays. When he does not, those numbers are 52.2 and 41. ASU has a 3.1 rebounding edge per game with him and is outrebounded by 4.1 without him. Opponents have shot 46.2 percent from the field in the last six games compared with 41.4 when Lockett was healthy.

Lockett had taken over at the primary point guard in the four games before his injury, after Keala King was dismissed from the team, and Sendek said he expects Lockett to play some point guard again, even as Chris Colvin has had some of his better games as a starter recently.
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Lockett a pg? Only if you have a very bad team.
 

You've got to have a PG at the end of the game that can absolutely knock down FTs to close out tight games and that's where Andre is excellent. Still gets himself in trouble picking up the ball or dribbling into double-teams, but he'll mature and learn. But if he gets in foul trouble, we're toast. Coleman is not a ball handler, Welch is turnover prone and Austin is much better as a catch & shoot 2 guard. Definitely need to find someone else who can handle the point in our reconfigured team for next season. And I don't see that including Chip or Mav.
 

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