Can Theret/Royston make difference?

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Only real hope.

Theret should have played today or they need to specify how long he will be out.
 

In my opinion they are much more that 2 positions away. Those two are decent players, but I its not like your getting Revis and Woodson back on the team.
 

Would have made a difference

Those two would have made a huge difference in the USD game. The DBs were totally lost in this game. Couldn't cover the slant, could cover deep and didn't stay home on the bootleg. Most of the TDs USD scored were pretty much uncontested. I'm pretty sure Southern Cal will have way too much fire power for us no matter who we have back there.
 

From what I saw the most glaring problem I saw was a complete lack of on field leadership in the secondary. Theret or Royston would have sufficed. And really if you think about it we were probably only one or two defensive plays from winning that game. It's hard to imagine either wouldn't have been able to affect that small a difference.

Now either or both doesn't fix the problem, we still have difficulty against a team like USC, but certainly yesterday against the coyotes it's a completely different game with a different outcome.
 

I argued over the summer that I thought roysten and theret play really well together and basically just need some D'ends to step up for them to be a force in the big ten. So until I see it fail, I'm still going to answer the OP with a resounding yes.
 


I will add. Theret made mistakes and needs to take responsibility for that mistake. I wonder if he can bear the weight of bringing down a whole program because he can't control his off field behavior. I hope feels like crap. And I hope he takes responsibility and makes up for it in a big way. Redemption is a tough road for such a far reaching mistake. And I hope all the players realize just how important it is to handle yourself well at all times.
 

Winnipegopher said:
Only real hope.

Theret should have played today or they need to specify how long he will be out.
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1000% yes (if healthy). We lost two of the best S's in the conference.

What are the issues we are having back there? Tackling and inexperience. Missed tackles prolong drives and turns short gains into long gains and long gains into TD's. Our S's led the conference at the Db position last season in tackles with over a combined 170 tackles. They had alot of opportunities and they got them to the ground of course a team will miss that.

Lack of experience forces the coaches to simplify the calls which makes it easier for the offense to execute. Think about the Iowa game last season. The coaches game planned a exotic defense which limited Iowa to 10 or 14 points. They where able to do this because of the experience and ability of those two S's. Right now the coaches hands are tied in what they can call and in what adjustments they can make.

Nobody was a bigger backer of our young db's, but right now the game is much too big for them. Does that mean they will not eventually rise to the level needed to be successful? Absolutely not. They are just not there yet.
 

Wrong

Poor little 24 is never right here. First he jumps on the stargenes bandwagon and tells us these young DBs are all Ronnie Lott quality. Next, he tells us we were evenly matched with MTSU since our missing safeties = losing Dasher. Now-----the difference in the USD game was our missing safeties??????? Whatever is convienient, huh, pal? Please explain how the backup safties were good enough to = victory vs. a 10 win, mid-major bowl team on the road, yet they are annihilated at home vs. a mid-level, upstart, FCS team featuring a second time starter at QB, that scored a grand total of 7 points the weak before?????????? Perhaps there is something to the tweet about the team jerking off in practice all week?? They sure were not focused on the field on Sat. I'll hang up and listen....
 

Hindsight is 20/20 said:
Poor little 24 is never right here. First he jumps on the stargenes bandwagon and tells us these young DBs are all Ronnie Lott quality. Next, he tells us we were evenly matched with MTSU since our missing safeties = losing Dasher. Now-----the difference in the USD game was our missing safeties??????? Whatever is convienient, huh, pal? Please explain how the backup safties were good enough to = victory vs. a 10 win, mid-major bowl team on the road, yet they are annihilated at home vs. a mid-level, upstart, FCS team featuring a second time starter at QB, that scored a grand total of 7 points the weak before?????????? Perhaps there is something to the tweet about the team jerking off in practice all week?? They sure were not focused on the field on Sat. I'll hang up and listen....
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Oookay I will play. Our YOUNG db's looked extremely good during spring and fall practice. They are extremely athletic compared to gopher db's of the past and teams I'm familiar with in the big ten. I still believe they (young db's) will be very good this year but right now the game is too big for them. Either way, O-coordinators are game planning against our inexperienced secondary and there is little to be done about if someone doesn't grow up fast or players don't come back soon.

I'm just giving my opinion...I could be right, I could be wrong, it's just one man's opinion.
 



If those two play against USD we win. It is that simple. We still would have looked crappy, but we would have won. There were a ton of problems, but what made the game impossible to come back in was the 7-10 BLOWN coverages, some of this was cause they couldn't get lined up correctly, some was because they didn't know what coverage they were in. But with those two guys, the number of Blown coverages is not more than 1-2. If the number is 1-2, we win the shootout.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
1000% yes (if healthy). We lost two of the best S's in the conference.

What are the issues we are having back there? Tackling and inexperience. Missed tackles prolong drives and turns short gains into long gains and long gains into TD's. Our S's led the conference at the Db position last season in tackles with over a combined 170 tackles. They had alot of opportunities and they got them to the ground of course a team will miss that.

Lack of experience forces the coaches to simplify the calls which makes it easier for the offense to execute. Think about the Iowa game last season. The coaches game planned a exotic defense which limited Iowa to 10 or 14 points. They where able to do this because of the experience and ability of those two S's. Right now the coaches hands are tied in what they can call and in what adjustments they can make.

Nobody was a bigger backer of our young db's, but right now the game is much too big for them. Does that mean they will not eventually rise to the level needed to be successful? Absolutely not. They are just not there yet.
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I respect your posts and opinions, but "two of the best safeties" in the conference? I'll give you they are quality players for MN, but Royston might start on Indiana, Purdue, and Northwestern. I think you are overselling their impact a bit. The problems were much more than missing those two, although I agree it could affect the game plan. But MN should have such better athletes that it should not have been such a large factor.
 

I do think we might be suprised the difference Theret, Royston, and Alford make. It the offense looks as good as it might be and Theret and Royston make the defense be okay then we'll win some games this year.
 

First off I agree that they are good bt quality safeties and we would no doubt have won yesterday if even one had played. Secondly, posters getting on a guy who gives a post in support of his son are pretty pathetic.
 



If just one of the two are there we win yesterday. They weren't. We didn't. It would have made a tremendous difference just to have one out there to settle down the DBs and get communication going. I think Carter will play well when one or both return.

I am afraid that these 2 games may set Manuel back. It has to have really disrupted his confidence.
 

ruralgopher said:
First off I agree that they are good bt quality safeties and we would no doubt have won yesterday if even one had played. Secondly, posters getting on a guy who gives a post in support of his son are pretty pathetic.
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Besides that 24 knows CFB on a level few other 'holers do. It is funny to see the attempts to discredit him. Obviously no one is correct all the time, but he has major clues. Others have too much beer.
 


No way we need experience at this point. We need players who can't use basic fundamentals. We need players who forgot what they learned back in junior high.
 

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