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mnsports1 said:
Could he be referring to how RICH almost got his squad in as conference tourney champs?
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I can't speak for Holy Man, but yes, it seemed apparent he was referring to FIU's success in the Sun Belt tourney last season. Took a #4 seed to the brink of an automatic bid after beating the #1 seed in the semifinals. It's only one year of data, but the early returns on Lil' Pitino indicate he handles the one-and-done format just fine. Let's hope the Year 2 data in a much more demanding conference brings more of the same.
 

Dr. Don's apology to Holy Man in 3...2...1...
 

SelectionSunday said:
I can't speak for Holy Man, but yes, it seemed apparent he was referring to FIU's success in the Sun Belt tourney last season. Took a #4 seed to the brink of an automatic bid after beating the #1 seed in the semifinals
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Sounds like the same thing to me :cool02:
 

MinnesotaBoiler99 said:
He was? Are you talking about Rick Pitino?
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Conference tourney coach as in he took a middling team to the conference championship game coming up one game short of the NCAA tournament. If he can duplicate the feat this year, than we will be in the NCAAtournament.

No, Don, as you know, I am not intelligent nor do I pretend to be. It's part of the reason for my success and my attraction to this board. But I do know the difference between the father and the son.
 


Imagine what a fiasco the tournament selection committee would become if they started weighing the effect of injuries to every team. Teams that have better depth on the bench overcome injuries.
 

Wouldn't an Iowa loss to NW drop them below us when we beat PSU?

Sounds like a quick way to move up a slot.
 

OK, Holy Man. I apologize for not reading what you did intend to say, but not for what you actually said.
 

howeda7 said:
They do consider it for seeding. I expect Michigan State to be at least one seed higher than their record would suggest. I also wouldn't be surprised if Kansas drops a spot with the news yesterday.

No one is suggesting that the Gophers be given moved way up the ladder. But when it comes down to splitting hairs, there's no doubt our worst loss would not have occurred if our best player wasn't hurt.
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That's what I'm saying. Had he not been injured, Smith and McNeil wouldn't have played nearly as much as they did. Keep in mind.....after the Nebraska game, Smith has done very little.....and the NW game was an ugly one. I have little doubt that a healthy Dre would have helped us.
 



golfing18now said:
Fair enough. Injuries are part of sports. Too subjective for my taste, but if that's the way it works.....

FYI....I'm not arguing that the Gophers should be excluded, obviously. If it helps them, so be it. I do think it's hard to say they would have won that game with Hollins when their best game was without him. Not because he was out, but despite he was out. They also had one or two other duds with him.
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Certainly everyone has injuries. However, I don't think the fact that we beat Wisconsin is evidence that it didn't matter. There is a difference between how a team prepares for a game when your best player is out, versus when they are injured during the game. I.e. I'm not convinced we would have beat Wisconsin if we'd played them 3 days later. Look at how well the 2011 team played in the game where Al Nolen broke his foot. They still won at Michigan. And look how horrible they were after that.

In any case, all I'm suggesting in that if it's a coin flip between us and Providence, Tennsee, etc. it's an argument for the coin landing our favor. Nothing more. Certainly this argument would be more compelling if Dre would go out and drop 40 on both PSU and Wiscy. If we only win one game and enough of the other teams we're currently even with do more in their conference tournaments, we'll be out as we should be. But if a bunch of them bow out early too, then it'll be all about splitting hairs.
 

bga1 said:
Begging is our lot in life. Right now I am begging for at least 2 wins in the BTT. That's the ticket.
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We're basically all Seth Greenburg circa every year before he got fired. I hope this is the last year we have to be like that for awhile.
 


stocker08 said:
That's what I'm saying. Had he not been injured, Smith and McNeil wouldn't have played nearly as much as they did. Keep in mind.....after the Nebraska game, Smith has done very little.....and the NW game was an ugly one. I have little doubt that a healthy Dre would have helped us.
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Wasn't Basabe out when we beat Iowa? Should that factor in too?
 



scher215 said:
Wasn't Basabe out when we beat Iowa? Should that factor in too?
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If they are being considered as one of the final teams, the committee would possibly consider it. How many games did he miss?
 

Dr.Don said:
My first thought also, Boiler. It continues to amaze me at how some people try to sound so intelligent, and in so doing show pure stupidity. Foot in mouth disease, I believe it is.
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Dr. Don with the heel turn on Holy Man!! What is the world (and the hereafter) coming to?
 

howeda7 said:
We're basically all Seth Greenburg circa every year before he got fired. I hope this is the last year we have to be like that for awhile.
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The difference is Greensburg would get left out for a weak schedule, and then continue sheduling weak opponents yet expect different results from the committee. The fact he never learned his lesson is beyond me. We at least have a strong SOS and might get in because of it even if we lose to Wisconsin.
 

jamalo said:
Dr. Don with the heel turn on Holy Man!! What is the world (and the hereafter) coming to?
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Holy Man said something he was totally wrong with, and I just made a point of what he said, not what he intended to say.
 

I'd venture to say we are probably one of the luckier teams on the injury front? That's likely how the committee will look at it. I'm not sure exactly the injury situation for other teams are, but if they are going to give us consideration for andre, lets not forget about the other teams on the bubble, its easy for us to talk in depth of the season we have had because we watched all the games, but I'm sure every team can make that "but if" argument. Like someone brought up, Bashbe was out for Iowa against us, should the committee assume we would have lost that if he was playing? You can't have it only your way, the only only way the committee would look at injury (according to Lunardi) is if said player returned and the team played exceptionally better to finish the season since hi return, which is not the case at all with the gophers. Their W/L since his return doesn't justify extra consideration. Lunardi, brought up what is the point of having a team play when a player is hurt if the committee is just going to assume they would have won with him. I don't see andre injury factoring in when it comes down to if we make it or not. Just need to go out and win games to finish the season if want to make a case for the tourney, thats about all we can hope for
 

Big, big difference between Basabe and Andre Hollins. One of the 'Dre's is the most important player on the team and the other one is number two. The more compelling argument is that injuries happen and the Gophers didn't prove they were a demonstrably better team with 'Dre Hollins than without him. Oklahoma State with Marcus Smart and Kansas without Joel Embid are examples of dominant players who could significantly effect the NCAA tournament, and Andre Hollins isn't that.

One thing about the bubble this year is just because Lunardi/Palm have the Gophers among the first four out doesn't mean that it's gospel or that only the teams in the last four in can fall out. A number of teams Selection Sunday accurately calls "bubblers" are 9 and 10 seeds in projected fields right now. It's really a personal preference thing right now between those teams and the Gophers with the beauty being in the eye of the beholder. With the committee often touting "strength of schedule", I wouldn't be surprised at all if Minnesota was "in" if this was Selection Tuesday.
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
The difference is Greensburg would get left out for a weak schedule, and then continue sheduling weak opponents yet expect different results from the committee. The fact he never learned his lesson is beyond me. We at least have a strong SOS and might get in because of it even if we lose to Wisconsin.
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Truth. Greenburg was the master of scheduling VMI and Longwood while running scared from VCU and Richmond and then being shocked, shocked! at the injustice when his team was left out.

I just meant that Richard might have to do some campaigning for us on the four-letter network. I've noticed he brings up Dre's injury almost every time he's talking NCAA or how the season has gone in general. He knows how to play the game.
 

howeda7 said:
Truth. Greenburg was the master of scheduling VMI and Longwood while running scared from VCU and Richmond and then being shocked, shocked! at the injustice when his team was left out.

I just meant that Richard might have to do some campaigning for us on the four-letter network. I've noticed he brings up Dre's injury almost every time he's talking NCAA or how the season has gone in general. He knows how to play the game.
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Gotcha. I actually figured that's what you meant, I just wanted to point that out because his whining always bugged me.
 

Dr.Don said:
Holy Man said something he was totally wrong with, and I just made a point of what he said, not what he intended to say.
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He only said something wrong if you don't think that the Big Ten Tournament is a Tournament. You can return to your beer now Doc.
 

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