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Remember Mbakwe is part of this class. Pretty good MN player. They needed a PG so they had to recruit Cobbs. White was a no-brainer. That left 1 open scholly. Take Broghammer off this list, he's horrible. Rodney was the hight-rated player of the rest, which doens't mean anything but just saying. Brewz plays a nice little role for WI but what is he doing that Rodney isn't? With Mbakwe there wasn't immediate playing time for Dower, especially in the Big 10. He would've been banged around. Lockett was a miss but I've never heard, until he had that great freshman season at ASU that he was a miss and should've recruited him instead of Rodney.

The problem is there hasn't been class with that much talent since. 2010 there were 3 that were worthy. Jocob Thomas wasn't eligible. Don't know or think they gave much consideration to Noreen and Jett. I've said this before, you don't pass on them while you give scholarships to Ahanmisi, Armelin, and Elliason. Not good for local recruiting. I know for a fact they could've used Jett last year. Hoff would've never played PG. 2011 or 2012 doesn't have a kid worthy of a Gopher offer. Before you starting getting into the Tyus, Rashad Vaughn, Ian Thiesen discusion they have to nail down Kyle Washington. That'll be a huge statement for the future of recruiting top local talent.
 

I agree with the exception of Elliason he is not in the same category as Chip and Maverick.He was a fairly high profile recruit.
 

The cliche is referring to the fact that you're simply looking back now and claiming who we should've recruited based on production now. If only that were how it worked then we could all be GMs. Tubby took the top rated prospects. That's what you're supposed to do.

Okay, so we agree he should've taken White. Brusiewitz, are you kidding me? First off all, the kid sucks at defending and has basically scored all of his points from Jordan Taylor making a play for him. He couldn't even guard Rodney. Do you really think he would do anything in our offense where he'd actually have to create for himself? He's benefited from two great players around him taking away all the attention, so he just (sometimes) hits open shots that he doesn't create himself. It's also not like his numbers are great - under 5 ppg? I'll still take Rodney's defense over his and hope that Rodney realizes just a tiny bit of his potential.

Lockett has turned out well. I don't really know what the recruiting situation was with him but I would guess that a mixture of already having Hoff and Devoe at sg and then hoping to develop Rodney at SF just didn't leave room for him in that class.

Anyway, is there a reason you've left Trevor out of that class? Does that mean he wasn't one of your picks back then? And what are you talking about Rodney transitioning to the 2? He plays sf. He's only played the 2 when we've been missing key players.

Duthasmon Smith said:
White, Lockett and Bruiser were my picks back then and still would be today. Williams was the miss in that group. Played the 5 in HS and now let's transition to the 2. Great athlete or not that's a lot to ask of any kid.

And BTW, I read your post. Read an insult and a cliche and a couple of statements. No questions.
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Well lets see underground why was Trevor left off my 2009 High School prospect list? That is a tough one. Let's see, oh gee, hmm..I don't know maybe, just maybe and I'm just spitballing here....because he graduated from high school in 2007.

I don't care if you like Bruiser or not. You asked for my list. That's it and based on productivity Bruiser has been more productive than Rodney. Could RW start to meet his projections this year? Is he more athletic? Can he jump higher? Does he have a better chance at playing professionally based on those qualities? Yes. Has he been a better player than Bruiser since he got to the U?

So the U has asked him to transition to the 2 when "they need him". Much different than my statement of "transitioning to the 2".
I stand corrected.

So in summary. Trevor wasn't included in my list of 2009 players because he didn't graduate that year and Rodney only plays the 2 when they need him.
 

Noooo... really? Why the hell does it matter what year he graduated? He was part of that recruiting class. We're talking about who you would've taken in that recruiting class. You gave those 3. That means one of them has to take the place of Trevor. Can't have em all.

It's debatable who has been better between Rodney and carrot top. Both barely score. Both can't create for themselves. The difference is that Rodney can actually defend and has a higher ceiling. Frotch can score when someone does all the work and then passes him the ball and he shoots it because nobody bothers to cover him. You implied Rodney was a sg; he's not.

Also, it is possible to respond to points that aren't specifically asking you a question. I know you like to use that as an excuse to just ignore points that ruin your argument. Please tell us some more about your expertise on recruiting. Which recruits are we losing to Huggins and his blistering pace?

Duthasmon Smith said:
Well lets see underground why was Trevor left off my 2009 High School prospect list? That is a tough one. Let's see, oh gee, hmm..I don't know maybe, just maybe and I'm just spitballing here....because he graduated from high school in 2007.

I don't care if you like Bruiser or not. You asked for my list. That's it and based on productivity Bruiser has been more productive than Rodney. Could RW start to meet his projections this year? Is he more athletic? Can he jump higher? Does he have a better chance at playing professionally based on those qualities? Yes. Has he been a better player than Bruiser since he got to the U?

So the U has asked him to transition to the 2 when "they need him". Much different than my statement of "transitioning to the 2".
I stand corrected.

So in summary. Trevor wasn't included in my list of 2009 players because he didn't graduate that year and Rodney only plays the 2 when they need him.
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Oh underground.... I'm only guessing I stole your girlfriend or beat you up in high school a few times because you really seem to have an inferiority complex on my posts. I'd suggest moving on with your life and trying to find some comfort.

And actually, if you'll go back and read my original post it was about the 2009 Mn High School class NOT about 2007 grads. YOU included Trevor. However you want to twist my post is fine but my discussion (and once again YOU turn it into an argument) was about my thoughts on the pecking order of HS players that year.

And your infantile responses about Bruiser are ridiculous. Grow up a bit.
 

Bruiser is a stiff.He does fit well in Wisconsin's showtime offense but is a low D1 player..I don't know what that says about Rodney but having Bruiser on your recruiting list is like having Rosaenne Barr on a hot chick list. lol
 

Hahaha, could you be more arrogant? I don't think anyone feels inferior to you and your self-proclaimed inside knowledge on recruiting. That's a nice coping mechanism you've created though -- if people call you out on your bs, that must mean they feel inferior to you.

You're missing the point. What's relevant is who we should've taken in that recruiting class because we're talking about Tubby's recruiting in MN. Trevor was part of that recruiting class, so that leaves spots for two other MN players in that recruiting class (we needed a pg for the 4th, obviously). Therefore, you have to pick two players from that MN list, not three. I know, that's really complicated. I tried to break it down for you.

Do you care to tell me how my comments about Bruiser are inaccurate? He hasn't done anything to suggest that had he played for us, he would've been better, or at least significantly better, than Rodney. Also, I've never heard of "infintile" responses. Please share more of your vast knowledge. I feel so inferior to you.

Duthasmon Smith said:
Oh underground.... I'm only guessing I stole your girlfriend or beat you up in high school a few times because you really seem to have an inferiority complex on my posts. I'd suggest moving on with your life and trying to find some comfort.

And actually, if you'll go back and read my original post it was about the 2009 Mn High School class NOT about 2007 grads. YOU included Trevor. However you want to twist my post is fine but my discussion (and once again YOU turn it into an argument) was about my thoughts on the pecking order of HS players that year.

And your infintile responses about Bruiser are ridiculous. Grow up a bit.
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Underground...........you win. I defer to your expertise as the all knowing reference for Mn basketball and recruiting. And I fixed the spelling of infantile per your request.

Now....let it go.
 



Blackhammer said:
Bruiser is a stiff.He does fit well in Wisconsin's showtime offense but is a low D1 player..I don't know what that says about Rodney but having Bruiser on your recruiting list is like having Rosaenne Barr on a hot chick list. lol
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Roseanne does have better hair.
 

I don't know how Rodney's career at the U will turn out but when I have an opportunity to recruit a kid who has legit NBA potential v. a kid that will never sniff the NBA, I'm going to take my chances with the kid who has NBA potential. I think that's all the Rodney v. Bruiser debate comes down to. I do agree that Bruiser would not fit our system as well as he fits Bo's.
 

SoMpls said:
Remember Mbakwe is part of this class. Pretty good MN player. They needed a PG so they had to recruit Cobbs. White was a no-brainer. That left 1 open scholly. Take Broghammer off this list, he's horrible. Rodney was the hight-rated player of the rest, which doens't mean anything but just saying. Brewz plays a nice little role for WI but what is he doing that Rodney isn't? With Mbakwe there wasn't immediate playing time for Dower, especially in the Big 10. He would've been banged around. Lockett was a miss but I've never heard, until he had that great freshman season at ASU that he was a miss and should've recruited him instead of Rodney.

The problem is there hasn't been class with that much talent since. 2010 there were 3 that were worthy. Jocob Thomas wasn't eligible. Don't know or think they gave much consideration to Noreen and Jett. I've said this before, you don't pass on them while you give scholarships to Ahanmisi, Armelin, and Elliason. Not good for local recruiting. I know for a fact they could've used Jett last year. Hoff would've never played PG. 2011 or 2012 doesn't have a kid worthy of a Gopher offer. Before you starting getting into the Tyus, Rashad Vaughn, Ian Thiesen discusion they have to nail down Kyle Washington. That'll be a huge statement for the future of recruiting top local talent.
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Curious why you think Washington is someone they should nail down? I look at him and Dower at the same age and don't see a great difference at all. My questions with Kyle are the physical part as well. Lockett was ranked 80 or something in the class according to Rivals but never had the hype of Rodney.
 

Duthasmon Smith said:
Curious why you think Washington is someone they should nail down? I look at him and Dower at the same age and don't see a great difference at all. My questions with Kyle are the physical part as well. Lockett was ranked 80 or something in the class according to Rivals but never had the hype of Rodney.
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I really shouldn't respond to this. Underground already ko'd you. It's like trying to fight again after you already threw in the towel! But here you go: After not taking any MN kids in 2010 where 2 players were worthy of an offer. As well as not taking any kids in 2011 or 2012 because there may not have been any players good enough to earn a MN offer the next local player who has an offer list that would justify an offer is Kyle Washington. Has nothing to do with his comparison to Dower or Lockett for that matter. I still say we should've taken Jett over Maverick and Chip and Noreen over Elliason. They were both higher rated players with better offers then the players previously mentioned who recieved and accepted offers from the Gophers. So now if you don't sign Washington the last MN recruit you've signed is Rodney (Actually it's Andre Ingram. Funny how you could take Ingram but pass on Noreen. 2 MTS players. Noreen was and is a MUCH better player then Ingram). And if you don't get Washington, by the time Jones and Vaughn are seniors we won't have ANY MN players on the roster under scholarship. Then ask me why those two should have any loyalty to the Gophers?
 



SoMpls said:
I really shouldn't respond to this. Underground already ko'd you. It's like trying to fight again after you already threw in the towel! But here you go: After not taking any MN kids in 2010 where 2 players were worthy of an offer. As well as not taking any kids in 2011 or 2012 because there may not have been any players good enough to earn a MN offer the next local player who has an offer list that would justify an offer is Kyle Washington. Has nothing to do with his comparison to Dower or Lockett for that matter. I still say we should've taken Jett over Maverick and Chip and Noreen over Elliason. They were both higher rated players with better offers then the players previously mentioned who recieved and accepted offers from the Gophers. So now if you don't sign Washington the last MN recruit you've signed is Rodney (Actually it's Andre Ingram. Funny how you could take Ingram but pass on Noreen. 2 MTS players. Noreen was and is a MUCH better player then Ingram). And if you don't get Washington, by the time Jones and Vaughn are seniors we won't have ANY MN players on the roster under scholarship. Then ask me why those two should have any loyalty to the Gophers?
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For the record i think we should offer washington, but Joe Coleman will be on the roster...
 

You don't build a program offering kids based on "how much time has elapsed since the previous local player signed". You said that Dower would get knocked around in the Big10 but they should offer the same size kid now because the talent pool isn't as deep? That's the type of recruiting that'll get a coach fired. I don't think local kids should have any loyalty to the Gophers. They should clearly look out for the best opportunity. If the U is that opportunity then they'll come here.


KO'd me? You'll have to explain that one.
 

It's sad that you always respond to people tearing apart your arguments but yet you never actually respond to the errors they point out or attempt to corroborate any of your nonsense.

I like the mixture of you using the exact same sarcasm I already used on you, while also pretending to take the high road (when really it's clear you've just avoided actually responding with any substance to support what you've said as usual). I tried to break everything down for you and ask you basic questions but I suppose you answering them would just make it more apparent that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Duthasmon Smith said:
Underground...........you win. I defer to your expertise as the all knowing reference for Mn basketball and recruiting. And I fixed the spelling of infantile per your request.

Now....let it go.
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I don't know why I waste my time with DS either. He's hopeless.

There was no reason for us to take Dower anyway - we had Trevor and Royce coming in.

SoMpls said:
I really shouldn't respond to this. Underground already ko'd you. It's like trying to fight again after you already threw in the towel! But here you go: After not taking any MN kids in 2010 where 2 players were worthy of an offer. As well as not taking any kids in 2011 or 2012 because there may not have been any players good enough to earn a MN offer the next local player who has an offer list that would justify an offer is Kyle Washington. Has nothing to do with his comparison to Dower or Lockett for that matter. I still say we should've taken Jett over Maverick and Chip and Noreen over Elliason. They were both higher rated players with better offers then the players previously mentioned who recieved and accepted offers from the Gophers. So now if you don't sign Washington the last MN recruit you've signed is Rodney (Actually it's Andre Ingram. Funny how you could take Ingram but pass on Noreen. 2 MTS players. Noreen was and is a MUCH better player then Ingram). And if you don't get Washington, by the time Jones and Vaughn are seniors we won't have ANY MN players on the roster under scholarship. Then ask me why those two should have any loyalty to the Gophers?
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I did forget about Coleman, my bad. Now back to Washington. Have you looked at his offers? Louisville just offered him along with Minnesota, Wisconsin, Norte Dame, Iowa St... you get the point. Doesn't sound like a kid being recruited just because he's local. So in theory, not recruiting a local kid like Washington gets coaches fired. But to my point for the last time. Jett and Noreen were high ranked and higher recruited players then Maverick and Chip. If you're talking strictly bigs Noreen was a hight rated recruit with better offers then Elliason. So why no Jett offer? Looking back (as some like to do) it looks like Jett is and is going to be the best of the 3. Noreen and Elliason is up for debate since they've both red-shirted and Noreen did have an early committment to BC. But after they lost Carter there's no excuse why the shouldn't have recruited Noreen. Which brings me back to my point. There are some who want Tyus Jones and Rashad Vaughn to be loyal to the state of Minnesota by playing for the U of M. But why should they if Tubby has shown no loyalty? Passing on highly rated local players when we don't have many high-major players in the state as it is in unexcusable. Especially when you're passing on them for lesser players.

FYI: Coleman was closer to choosing Iowa St. then many think. Tubby didn't exactely roll how the red carpet trying to get him. He's one kid who did show loyalty.
 

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