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He had scholarship offers from the Tar Heels, Duke, Kansas, Virginia and others.

This doesn't happen that often... exactly what we need Tyus to do.
 

I asked him last spring if the Gophers had a chance and he gave a polite laugh that I took as a "No". And that was after one of his playoff games and Vince Taylor was in attendance.
 

I'm sure Harrison Barnes laughed last year.Nothing has changed here regarding elite regional recruits.Just as in the past Cole Aldrich,Mike Miller,Jeff Boshee,El Amin and others have laughed at us.Rickert and Humphries came here out of desperation.Why we can't compete for at least regional national recruits is beyond me.Really it's not that much different than football.Chances on Tynus Jones- zero.I hope I'm wrong but U of M sports is getting depressing.We need a sweet sixteen year.
 

I love when people say something is 100% or 0% when they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Comedy.
 


Minnesconsin fan said:
I asked him last spring if the Gophers had a chance and he gave a polite laugh that I took as a "No". And that was after one of his playoff games and Vince Taylor was in attendance.
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Jones or Bronson?
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
I love when people say something is 100% or 0% when they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Comedy.
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It's an opinion based on history.Glad you found it funny.But would rather hear a point of view on the subject of recruiting .
 

Blackhammer said:
It's an opinion based on history.Glad you found it funny.But would rather hear a point of view on the subject of recruiting .
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just not a full history. remember, royce white was an elite regional talent who committed here. the issue of him messing up and having to move on doesn't negate the fact that he chose the gophs, which puts a bit of a hole in your argument.
 

hendo59 said:
just not a full history. remember, royce white was an elite regional talent who committed here. the issue of him messing up and having to move on doesn't negate the fact that he chose the gophs, which puts a bit of a hole in your argument.
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I think there's a difference between White and Koenig though. Their rankings are probably comparable, but Koenig's offer list would suggest that he's a step up from White. I don't recall Royce having offers or even much interest from UNC, Duke and Kansas. Tyus most certainly will have those schools involved in his recruitment.

Koenig was definitely a very important get for UW. Best of luck with Jones.
 



Minnesconsin fan said:
I asked him last spring if the Gophers had a chance and he gave a polite laugh that I took as a "No". And that was after one of his playoff games and Vince Taylor was in attendance.
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It would really take a dipsh*t rube to ask a 9th grader that after a game and read into his reaction.
 

katze019 said:
It would really take a dipsh*t rube to ask a 9th grader that after a game and read into his reaction.
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classy response-- attack and call someone a name rather than worry about having facts correct. Bronson was a 10th grader at the time.
 

UW Ole what do you hear or think about where Thomas ends up?With Marcus Paige going to Carolina I think Koenig made a good choice..
 

Blackhammer said:
UW Ole what do you hear or think about where Thomas ends up?With Marcus Paige going to Carolina I think Koenig made a good choice..
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I believe he wants to go to UW, and they have shown a good deal of interest of late. After watching him quite a bit in July, they will be in Onalaska for a workout tomorrow. Matt was in Madison for last Saturday's football game, and he's expected again this Saturday for the Nebraska game. If UW were to offer soon, I think Matt would be a Badger. However, they seem to have another guard (Geno Thorpe from Pittsburgh) ahead of Matt on the priority list. If Thorpe does not commit on or shortly after his visit in November, I would guess they'd make a bigger push for Matt.

Outside of UW, Iowa St. has shown the most interest in Matt. He's been down there a number of times, and they've been in to see him three times this month. Notre Dame and Virginia have reportedly shown more interest of late as well. I think he'd fit in pretty well at both those programs, especially Virginia with Paul Jesperson already there. The Gophers are certainly involved, but it's tough to say where they stand. If I had to guess right now, I'd say he ends up at Iowa St. He's a nice prospect and great kid. I would love to see him at UW, but I am not sure it's going to work out. He is definitely a kid I'd wish the best of luck to, where ever he goes. Even if it's Minnesota. :cool02:
 



UWOle said:
I believe he wants to go to UW, and they have shown a good deal of interest of late. After watching him quite a bit in July, they will be in Onalaska for a workout tomorrow. Matt was in Madison for last Saturday's football game, and he's expected again this Saturday for the Nebraska game. If UW were to offer soon, I think Matt would be a Badger. However, they seem to have another guard (Geno Thorpe from Pittsburgh) ahead of Matt on the priority list. If Thorpe does not commit on or shortly after his visit in November, I would guess they'd make a bigger push for Matt.

Outside of UW, Iowa St. has shown the most interest in Matt. He's been down there a number of times, and they've been in to see him three times this month. Notre Dame and Virginia have reportedly shown more interest of late as well. I think he'd fit in pretty well at both those programs, especially Virginia with Paul Jesperson already there. The Gophers are certainly involved, but it's tough to say where they stand. If I had to guess right now, I'd say he ends up at Iowa St. He's a nice prospect and great kid. I would love to see him at UW, but I am not sure it's going to work out. He is definitely a kid I'd wish the best of luck to, where ever he goes. Even if it's Minnesota. :cool02:
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So what your saying is...Tubby is about to lose another recruiting battle.
 

UWOle said:
I think there's a difference between White and Koenig though. Their rankings are probably comparable, but Koenig's offer list would suggest that he's a step up from White. I don't recall Royce having offers or even much interest from UNC, Duke and Kansas. Tyus most certainly will have those schools involved in his recruitment.

Koenig was definitely a very important get for UW. Best of luck with Jones.
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Possibly. However, don't forget that Royce already had some off court issues in HS that may have scared some schools away. The risk factor was documented even before he got here. He was ranked 19 nationally and #2 positionally by Rivals, and 35 nationally and 8th positionally by ESPN. So even though some schools like UNC may not have been interested, I still think it is a fair comparison to Koenig and fair to say he was an elite regional player who chose the gophs over some other high profile schools like Mich St.
 

I'm really surprised you would say this. Royce was a fair bit ahead in rankings, and as someone already mentioned, you're completely disregarding off the court problems. I'm sure you're aware of all the questions that surrounded Royce coming out of high schoo l-- don't you think that aspect played a large role in the disparity in lists of offers? I'd also suggest looking at Royce's offer list again; it was pretty impressive. Also, Duke, Kansas, and UNC don't exactly have a long history of offering players with the kind of character problems that Royce displayed. I would guess they would've been happy to take him had he not acted like an idiot in high school.

UWOle said:
I think there's a difference between White and Koenig though. Their rankings are probably comparable, but Koenig's offer list would suggest that he's a step up from White. I don't recall Royce having offers or even much interest from UNC, Duke and Kansas.
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Wasn't Rodney Williams a 4-star recruit? Like top 50?
 

zambam said:
Wasn't Rodney Williams a 4-star recruit? Like top 50?
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We sure didn't beat out any basketball powers for him.What did he do visit Long Beach?He may have been in the top hundred on some lists.His recruiting kind of mirrors Joe Coleman's.Not that I don't think they will end up having fine careers with the Gophers.Royce was there with the best prospects to ever come out of Minnesota talent wise.as a high schooler.
 

If you think Tubby is going to land any of the "elite" Wisconsin kids you're mistaken. Ellenson is as close to elite as we are going to get from across the border (Minnesota was his "dream" school I am told). Wally is a terrific player, but no where near as talented as BK or Dekker.

If a Wisconsin kid is being recurited to Minnesota or Wisconsin and sees the success of ALL the programs in Madison, its an easy choice for them. All of the players NOW, have known nothing more than Wisconsin has had lots of success and the Gophers not so much...it becomes their dream school for instate kids.

Minnesota had ZERO chance for Koenig. I have family who are friends with BK and it was never a choice. He appreciated the offer, but UNC WAS his dream school til Paige accepted there. He wants to play.

Tubby needs to put a lot of work in to land the "elite" Minnesota kids. There isn't any recent history of success that can be sold; as there is in Wisconsin. I think if the Gophers can have a successful season this year (Not just make the dance), they tide can turn a bit.

We all know it...winning breeds future success.
 

Tubby has done a good job of recruiting the best of Minnesota so far. Although I will admit that 2014 will be his toughest test yet.
 

StCroix said:
If you think Tubby is going to land any of the "elite" Wisconsin kids you're mistaken. Ellenson is as close to elite as we are going to get from across the border (Minnesota was his "dream" school I am told). Wally is a terrific player, but no where near as talented as BK or Dekker.

If a Wisconsin kid is being recurited to Minnesota or Wisconsin and sees the success of ALL the programs in Madison, its an easy choice for them. All of the players NOW, have known nothing more than Wisconsin has had lots of success and the Gophers not so much...it becomes their dream school for instate kids.

Minnesota had ZERO chance for Koenig. I have family who are friends with BK and it was never a choice. He appreciated the offer, but UNC WAS his dream school til Paige accepted there. He wants to play.

Tubby needs to put a lot of work in to land the "elite" Minnesota kids. There isn't any recent history of success that can be sold; as there is in Wisconsin. I think if the Gophers can have a successful season this year (Not just make the dance), they tide can turn a bit.

We all know it...winning breeds future success.
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Wisconsin loses out on a lot of kids just because of the perception they play slow half court basketball.And just because of us having a rotten football program and Wisconsin having a good one don't think high school bb players care one bit about sports other than their own when picking a school.
 

There seems to still be a Bennett ball sterotype of the program.That said he is a great coach with a good program.But I still hate him.:)
 

Blackhammer said:
Wisconsin loses out on a lot of kids just because of the perception they play slow half court basketball.And just because of us having a rotten football program and Wisconsin having a good one don't think high school bb players care one bit about sports other than their own when picking a school.
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They also have a better basketball program.
 

Right now you would say they do.This year I'm hoping we will see that trend reversed.Tubby's offense seems bad at times but the Badgers have more 20 point halfs over the years than about anyone.The Big Ten in general is getting to be that type of a league and I think it hurts recruiting to some degree.
 

Tubby's record with Mn recruiting is okay at best. 2009 was the best year in Mn high school history according to most. Everyone lauded Tubby for landing Williams and White. Looking at the players he didn't land or offer (whatever the case may be);

Lockett - ASU
Dower - Gonzaga
Broghammer (sp) - Notre Dame
Brusiewitz - Wis

So based on production and success so far in college I'd say the offers should have been;

Lockett
Dower
Bruiser
Williams
Broghammer
White (that'll obviously change)


Guess I'd argue Tubby hasn't picked the best in the class based on development and his history of coming in late with offers cost him a couple of those players. So I'm not buying into "done a good job of recruiting the best of Mn so far. Unless you mean, he's contacted them etc.
 

Well done Reusse -- what great 20/20 vision you have. Recruits don't always pan out. It's easy to look back and say he messed up because Royce was an idiot and Rodney hasn't shown much yet, but I'm sure you would've taken the same 3 MN guys in that class. Pretty much everyone had them rated as the top prospects from MN.

Duthasmon Smith said:
Tubby's record with Mn recruiting is okay at best. 2009 was the best year in Mn high school history according to most. Everyone lauded Tubby for landing Williams and White. Looking at the players he didn't land or offer (whatever the case may be);

Lockett - ASU
Dower - Gonzaga
Broghammer (sp) - Notre Dame
Brusiewitz - Wis

So based on production and success so far in college I'd say the offers should have been;

Lockett
Dower
Bruiser
Williams
Broghammer
White (that'll obviously change)


Guess I'd argue Tubby hasn't picked the best in the class based on development and his history of coming in late with offers cost him a couple of those players. So I'm not buying into "done a good job of recruiting the best of Mn so far. Unless you mean, he's contacted them etc.
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Recruits don't always pan out? King of the cliches. You are willing to be an apologist for Tubby's recruiting which is fine. But don't tell me he's done a good job recruiting Mn kids as was pointed out earlier. With all the talent in that class he's amazingly shot a big blank so far.
 

DS as usual. Don't actually address anything said. Who would your 3 MN have been from that class?

Duthasmon Smith said:
Recruits don't always pan out? King of the cliches. You are willing to be an apologist for Tubby's recruiting which is fine. But don't tell me he's done a good job recruiting Mn kids as was pointed out earlier. With all the talent in that class he's amazingly shot a big blank so far.
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White, Lockett and Bruiser were my picks back then and still would be today. Williams was the miss in that group. Played the 5 in HS and now let's transition to the 2. Great athlete or not that's a lot to ask of any kid.

And BTW, I read your post. Read an insult and a cliche and a couple of statements. No questions.
 

Duthasmon Smith said:
White, Lockett and Bruiser were my picks back then and still would be today. Williams was the miss in that group. Played the 5 in HS and now let's transition to the 2. Great athlete or not that's a lot to ask of any kid.

And BTW, I read your post. Read an insult and a cliche and a couple of statements. No questions.
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Replace Bruiser with Rodney and I'd agree with your picks.

Please realize that I cannot stand the way that kid looks, he would instantly make me hate Gopher basketball, it's that bad. I know that sounds mean and it is, just being honest (Granted, the fact he is a BADger makes me feel that way even more strongly)

HOWEVER, that aside, in last years game the few plays they dared put Bruser on Rod was ugly. Rodney made Bruser look pretty bad. IMO he fits well with Wisconsin's program, but he will never develop into a "star", he may have a successful college career, but he still will never achieve the things Rodney is at least capable of. Especially in HS, Rodney had a vastly higher celing compared to him. And Tubby's system recquires athletes and quickness, and neither of those qualities is shown in Bruiser.

And we can debate how much Rodney had to do with this, but there is no denying that Harrison Barnes and E'twaun Moore both put up clunkers guarded primarily by Rodney Williams.
 

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