Brock?

[SMU GOPHS FAN]

Has anyone heard a definitive yes or no on Brock coming back in the fall?

 

[WAGopher]

Has anyone heard a definitive yes or no on Brock coming back in the fall?

He is no longer on the roster at gophersports.com. That usually means he won't be back.

They've also added a bunch of incoming freshman to the list, which usually means they have been accepted into school.:
Alipate, Moses QB 6-5 230 Fr. Bloomington, Minn. (Bloomington Jefferson HS)
Allen, Bryant WR 6-0 160 Fr. Maplewood, Mo. (Maplewood-Richmond Heights HS)
Campion, Josh OL 6-5 265 Fr. Fergus Falls, Minn. (Fergus Falls HS)
Carpenter, Hayo WR 5-11 185 Jr. Lawndale, Calif. (College of the Canyons ) (Sherman E. Burroughs HS)
Carter, Michael CB 5-11 154 Fr. Pompano Beach, Fla. (Ely HS)
Garin, Matt DE 6-4 220 Fr. Apple Valley, Minn. (Eastview HS)
Gregory-McGhee, Kendall DE 6-5 235 Fr. Aurora, Colo. (Cherokee Trail HS)
Hageman, Ra'Shede TE 6-6 235 Fr. Minneapolis, Minn. (Washburn HS)
Jacques, Eric DL 6-2 285 Fr. Pompano Beach, Fla. (Ely HS)
Keise, Victor WR 6-0 160 Fr. Coral Springs, Fla. (North Broward Prep HS)
Lewis, Kerry FS 5-9 178 Fr. Dallas, Texas (Lancaster HS)
Lipscomb, Hasan RB 5-11 201 Fr. Houston, Texas (Cypress Ridge HS)
Michel, Brooks OT 6-7 280 Fr. Carmel, Ind. (Carmel HS)
Olson, Ed OL 6-7 285 Fr. Mahtomedi, Minn. (Mahtomedi HS)
Orseske, Dan P 6-3 195 Fr. Chicago, Ill. (Brother Rice HS)
Searcy, Joey DT 6-0 285 Fr. Grand Prairie, Texas (South Grand Prairie HS)
Singleton, Brent LB 6-1 205 Fr. Plantation, Fla. (American Heritage HS)
Watkins, Kenny DB 6-0 185 Fr. Detroit, Mich. (Brother Rice HS)

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Hayo

I see Hayo Carpenter on that list, does that mean he has been accepted into school?
You never know what rumors to believe.

 

[parkinglotgopher]

I see Hayo Carpenter on that list, does that mean he has been accepted into school? You never know what rumors to believe.

Every year people get swept up in whether or not someone is on One Stop. I understand where it comes from - it's a down time for the team and everyone is excited to see if someone who is on the fence is in or not - but I just want to be on the record as saying that none of it means anything until you see a guy on the field. Guys are in One Stop and some hiccup keeps them from making it to school. On the flip side, guys don't show up in One Stop until it's already a fact that they're practicing with the team.

Now when threads start popping in August because so-and-so isn't in the database yet, I can pull this quote with a date/timestamp and obnoxiously repost it.

As for Brock, I'd assume he's not coming back until told otherwise by the University. Any time a guy has to leave after being on the team, it's a really bad sign. I interpret the lack of updates to be a good sign that he's falling off the Gopher football map.

 

[caliGopher]

I interpret the lack of updates to be a good sign that he's falling off the Gopher football map.

Actually, in this situation, the U can't say anything because he is no longer a player, he's become a recruit again. The only thing we'll hear officially is if he gets back in.

I hope he does. That being said, not being in Spring ball will hurt if he does as he missed working with the new, new Defensive Coordinator and this will set him and the team back. To re-appropriate an infamous Brewsterism "there is no substitute for consistency in a program"

 

[GopherLady]

Actually, in this situation, the U can't say anything because he is no longer a player, he's become a recruit again. The only thing we'll hear officially is if he gets back in.

I hope he does. That being said, not being in Spring ball will hurt if he does as he missed working with the new, new Defensive Coordinator and this will set him and the team back. To re-appropriate an infamous Brewsterism "there is no substitute for consistency in a program"

How come Brewster was allowed to comment on Broderick Smith?

Broderick Smith Transfers

 

[caliGopher]

It seems that they can confirm a player's departure (as they did when Brock and Smith left) but can't say anything about them coming in, playing, etc if they are not signed to an LOI. That's how I understand it, anyway. I could be wrong.

 

[Bayfieldgopher]

If Brock flunked out of the UM and does not return, that will likely cause a problem with the NCAA APR ratings. We are already 3 scholarships short due to sub-925 score in 2007 and Gary Russell flunking out. My post may not be 100% accurate but it does raise a concern RE:recruiting high risk student athletes and issues down the road.

 

[grunkiejr]

If Brock flunked out of the UM and does not return, that will likely cause a problem with the NCAA APR ratings. We are already 3 scholarships short due to sub-925 score in 2007 and Gary Russell flunking out. My post may not be 100% accurate but it does raise a concern RE:recruiting high risk student athletes and issues down the road.

It does hurt the APR but our APR for the last semester was reported to have been something like 957 so if we fail in the future it won't be because of the last semester.

The NCAA looks at a rolling four-year average of the APR and for the 4-year period ended at the end of the 2006-2007 school year we were below 925 so to clarify, it wasn't solely our 2007 score.

 

[Goldteam]

He is no longer on the roster at gophersports.com. That usually means he won't be back.

They've also added a bunch of incoming freshman to the list, which usually means they have been accepted into school.:
Alipate, Moses QB 6-5 230 Fr. Bloomington, Minn. (Bloomington Jefferson HS)
Allen, Bryant WR 6-0 160 Fr. Maplewood, Mo. (Maplewood-Richmond Heights HS)
Campion, Josh OL 6-5 265 Fr. Fergus Falls, Minn. (Fergus Falls HS)
Carpenter, Hayo WR 5-11 185 Jr. Lawndale, Calif. (College of the Canyons ) (Sherman E. Burroughs HS)
Carter, Michael CB 5-11 154 Fr. Pompano Beach, Fla. (Ely HS)
Garin, Matt DE 6-4 220 Fr. Apple Valley, Minn. (Eastview HS)
Gregory-McGhee, Kendall DE 6-5 235 Fr. Aurora, Colo. (Cherokee Trail HS)
Hageman, Ra'Shede TE 6-6 235 Fr. Minneapolis, Minn. (Washburn HS)
Jacques, Eric DL 6-2 285 Fr. Pompano Beach, Fla. (Ely HS)
Keise, Victor WR 6-0 160 Fr. Coral Springs, Fla. (North Broward Prep HS)
Lewis, Kerry FS 5-9 178 Fr. Dallas, Texas (Lancaster HS)
Lipscomb, Hasan RB 5-11 201 Fr. Houston, Texas (Cypress Ridge HS)
Michel, Brooks OT 6-7 280 Fr. Carmel, Ind. (Carmel HS)
Olson, Ed OL 6-7 285 Fr. Mahtomedi, Minn. (Mahtomedi HS)
Orseske, Dan P 6-3 195 Fr. Chicago, Ill. (Brother Rice HS)
Searcy, Joey DT 6-0 285 Fr. Grand Prairie, Texas (South Grand Prairie HS)
Singleton, Brent LB 6-1 205 Fr. Plantation, Fla. (American Heritage HS)
Watkins, Kenny DB 6-0 185 Fr. Detroit, Mich. (Brother Rice HS)

which of these players are reshirting?......any of them?

 

[Bayfieldgopher]

It does hurt the APR but our APR for the last semester was reported to have been something like 957 so if we fail in the future it won't be because of the last semester.

The NCAA looks at a rolling four-year average of the APR and for the 4-year period ended at the end of the 2006-2007 school year we were below 925 so to clarify, it wasn't solely our 2007 score.

True. But the 887 2007 score put us below the minimum 925 4 year cummaltive average. I think we were on a waiver of sorts due to Russell's flunking out and then when the poor 2007 scores were factored in; ouch!

My ? is could Brocks situation come back to haunt us even if we maintain an excellent current year APR?

I am in no means an expert with the APR but I am just raising a ? and gladly default to those much more informed.

 

[parkinglotgopher]

Actually, in this situation, the U can't say anything because he is no longer a player, he's become a recruit again. The only thing we'll hear officially is if he gets back in.

Good point on the U, but I meant for that comment to include sites like this one, the other one, the third one and randoms I talk to. Even these forums aren't providing anything but speculation right now. With the way folks are connected to these kids through Faybook, etc., you'd think someone would have heard something if major good news came his way.

 

[ulfr]

With what transpired last summer I will believe Carpenter and Brock are Gophers when I see them on the field in September. College of the Canyons' spring semester just finished on the 6th , and summer intersession doesn't even start until next week, and from what I gather Hayo may well need that as well to get eligible so nobody knows until he passes a test that won't even be given until mid august at the earliest. I imagine Brock will similarly go down to the wire and both will ether be late to camp or never come.

I really hope Hayo sees the field because I think he can have as much of an immediate impact as Simoni Lawrence, BPT or Brock did last season on defense but I am not quick to count the JUCO egg until it hatches. Borderline recruits are frustrating but are part of the game until Brewster manages to truly elevate gopher nation. Take chances on great athletes or look for diamonds amongst the under -recruited. This I don't mind. I just hope the borderline can make it once they get here. In a way JUCO's are less of a risk to the APR so they are for me less of a worry.

 

[grunkiejr]

which of these players are reshirting?......any of them?

My guess would be that Alipate, Michel, Olsen, Campion, Gregory-McGhee, Garin, Jacques and Singleton will redshirt and the remaining freshman: Orseske, Lipscomb, Allen, Keise, Hageman, Carter, Watkins, and Lewis will play. Searcy and Rengel are both expected to grayshirt and show up in January.

That guess is based upon our anticipated depth this year, the positions that players need to increase size to compete, and players that can contribute on special teams as freshman. We'll know a lot more when camp starts.

 

[grunkiejr]

True. But the 887 2007 score put us below the minimum 925 4 year cummaltive average. I think we were on a waiver of sorts due to Russell's flunking out and then when the poor 2007 scores were factored in; ouch!

My ? is could Brocks situation come back to haunt us even if we maintain an excellent current year APR?

I am in no means an expert with the APR but I am just raising a ? and gladly default to those much more informed.

I think you are putting too much weight on individual players that didn't cut it. A 925 score is supposed to correspond to a 60% graduation rate. Russell is only one player so he couldn't have hurt us enough to put us on any waiver. Aside from Brock & Russell you have to add Damien White, Harold Howell, etc that left due to academic problems as well as players that left or transferred for other reasons (Dominic Jones, Alex Daniels, Keith Massey, EJ Jones, Robert McField, Tommy Becker, Sean McWhirter, Mike Chambers, Clint Brewster, etc) to he list of people that counted against our APR. So yes, Brock hurts our situation but if we fail next year it is because of the difficulties in 2007-08 (a year that neither Brock nor Russell were here) and not because of 2008-09.

 

[calminnfan]

Though Brock is important, I think Hayo is far more needed, especially with Smith's departure.

 

[Bisker82]

I see Hayo Carpenter on that list, does that mean he has been accepted into school?
You never know what rumors to believe.

I had posted this article from the PP on an earlier thread. It looks like Hayo is set.

"Junior college wide receiver Hayo Carpenter is already receiving preseason honors for the potential impact he could have in the Big Ten Conference this season for the Gophers.

The 5-foot-11, 185-pound Carpenter was named preseason Big Ten newcomer of the year by Lindy's college football magazine. Phil Steele's College Football Preview also pegged Carpenter the nation's No. 1 incoming junior college transfer and a second-team all-conference preseason pick.

Carpenter's junior college coach Garrett Tujague said he isn't surprised his former star receiver had already nabbed some attention. Tujague also said Carpenter "should be good to go" to enroll in summer school at Minnesota this week."



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