Bob Gibbons (Updated) Top 125 For 2011

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Section201 said:
Kentucky has 4 of the top 11. Does Cal hypnotize these kids or what?

Rgt Name Pos HT WT City/State/High School
1 Michael Gilchrist W/PF 6-7 210 Elizabeth, NJ/ St. Patrick (Kentucky)
2 Austin Rivers 1/2G 6-3+ 185 Winter Park, FL/ Winter Park (Duke)
3 James McAdoo PF 6-8+ 225 Norfolk, VA/ Norfolk Christian (North Carolina)
4 Anthony Davis C/F 6-10 200 Chicago, IL/ Perspectives Charter (Kentucky)
5 Brad Beal 2G 6-5 190 St. Louis, MO/ Chaminade College Prep (Florida)
6 Myck Kabongo PG 6-1 170 Henderson, NV/ Findlay Prep (Texas)
7 Marquis Teague 1/2G 6-1 165 Indianapolis, IN/ Pike (Kentucky)
8 LeBryan Nash WF 6-7+ 215 Dallas, TX/ Lincoln (Oklahoma State)
9 Wayne Blackshear G/F 6-5 205 Chicago, IL/ Morgan Park (Louisville)
10 Adonis Thomas G/F 6-7 215 Memphis, TN/ Melrose (Memphis)
11 Kyle Wiltjer PF 6-10 230 Portland, OR/ Jesuit (Kentucky)
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Somehow Thad Matta didn't get each of the top-5? The Ohio State boosters must have spent too much the past 3 years, couldn't afford to purchase any players in 2011.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Sam Gilbert was hardly the only one who "cheated" back then.

Many (perhaps MOST) big time basketball programs did.
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"did", as if there's a past-tense to cheating in major college sports...
 

I love how everyone automatically assumes that just because a coach brings in dominant recruiting classes they must be cheating significantly. I especially love the "everyone knows it" comments.

If everyone knew it, that would include the NCAA, and it doesn't benefit the NCAA to allow blatant public cheating. There certainly is some cheating go on somewhere, but it's not fair to assume that people like Cal and Matta are cheating just because they're producing results out there.

That being said, I'm not particularly a fan of either, but I much prefer Cal to Thad.
 

JDGopher said:
I love how everyone automatically assumes that just because a coach brings in dominant recruiting classes they must be cheating significantly. I especially love the "everyone knows it" comments.

If everyone knew it, that would include the NCAA, and it doesn't benefit the NCAA to allow blatant public cheating. There certainly is some cheating go on somewhere, but it's not fair to assume that people like Cal and Matta are cheating just because they're producing results out there.

That being said, I'm not particularly a fan of either, but I much prefer Cal to Thad.
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Maybe a fair point in regard to Matta, though he still strikes me as a sleaze. While there's no firm evidence, we know the OSU boosters are no angels.

But don't act like Cal has no smoke to his fire. The NCAA cares just enough to chase him around when it gets blatant, but they don't really want him gone and they'll need a FedEx box falling out of a truck again before they'll come down on Kentucky.
 

I don't think there's a convincing argument for why the NCAA would allow blatant cheating at some schools and not others, so, frankly, I don't think you can make the claim that "they don't actually want him gone." But hey, that's just me.

He very well may cheat, but success doesn't necessarily equal cheating. All I'm trying to say is that i think it's funny how people "know" he cheats, and that it's "obvious" he's breaking the rules, etc.
 



Friend Of Tubby said:
I spoke with her in Columbia SC a couple of weeks ago. She called the NCAA ruling on Kanter the worst she has ever seen in all her years in collegiate athletics.

If you had been there, you could have asked her yourself.
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LOL. Kentucky AGREED Kanter's family had BEEN PAID $30K of impermissible extra benefits. Hard to argue around that - that's why he was ineligible.
 


JDGopher said:
I don't think there's a convincing argument for why the NCAA would allow blatant cheating at some schools and not others, so, frankly, I don't think you can make the claim that "they don't actually want him gone." But hey, that's just me.

He very well may cheat, but success doesn't necessarily equal cheating. All I'm trying to say is that i think it's funny how people "know" he cheats, and that it's "obvious" he's breaking the rules, etc.
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He cheated at UMASS. He cheated at Memphis. But he is not cheating now that he is at the school that got caught red handed paying players in the past?

There is no point in bitching about it, because it isn't going to stop and college basketball is a great game anyway, but to deny the obvious is crazy.

World Wide Wes did not get that name because people think he is a neat guy.
 





A lot of teams cheat, read "Play their Hearts Out" by former Pioneer Press (and Gangel gate) writer George Dohrman. It chronicles a group of kids controlled by the same coach from 5th grade through high school. These AAU "coaches" are not working for free, and it's not just the shoe companies paying them money.

The UConn story is pretty interesting: UConn paid to have the Lousiana version of Marathon Oil come play an exhibition, that team was controlled/ran by the AAU coach of a prospect that UConn was recruiting. The NCAA has since banned playing games against Marathon Oil, Athletes in Action, which is why teams now play DII or DIII teams in their exhibition games.
 

That "Play their Hearts Out" writer quoted a felon who said Clark Kellogg told him he 'heard his son was the missing piece of the puzzle' for OSU, which would've been an NCAA violation if it happened, but Dohrman never contacted Kellogg about it before publishing and claiming it was a violation (after grandstanding and promoting all the "violations" to get people to buy the book). Kellogg spoke with the man but denied ever saying anything like what the felon said, Kellogg said all he did was provide general advice. All I know about that book, and all I have to know about it, is how it claims (with a very shaky source & no research) Clark Kellogg committed an NCAA violation by saying he heard Nelson was the "missing piece to the puzzle" for OSU and is marketed to "expose" things like that. I'd like to think you can come up with a lot of juicy stories if you get all your info from felons who are "remembering" what someone else told them once upon a time, and don't try to get the other side of the story or do any research. Go ahead and believe the word of a man who sexually assaulted female patients while he was working in a rehab center for patients with major brain injuries. I'll trust Clark Kellogg's word over that of a felon, and disapprove of the methods of Dohrman in parlaying that man's stories into reasons to buy his book.
 



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