Black Monday NFL coaching firing thread

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They obviously think they have a shot in this current market to grab someone that they feel is a step change better.

But who?

Flores
 

You have to feel for Bills fans.

With Mahomes, Jackson, and Burrow all down and out ... this was Allen and the Bills year.

Nope! Up pops Bountygate McJagoff, out of no where, to steal it away. And oh, Drake Maye and the Patriots passed them.


Their window withe Allen, whatever it was going to be, is closing. It's a now or never, do or die, moment for them I guess.

Hiring Flores would certainly send that message, that they're trying not to let it slip away
 

GopherGrit said:
You have to feel for Bills fans.

With Mahomes, Jackson, and Burrow all down and out ... this was Allen and the Bills year.

Nope! Up pops Bountygate McJagoff, out of no where, to steal it away. And oh, Drake Maye and the Patriots passed them.


Their window withe Allen, whatever it was going to be, is closing. It's a now or never, do or die, moment for them I guess.

Hiring Flores would certainly send that message, that they're trying not to let it slip away
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Why would hiring a guy who’s never been to the playoffs as a head coach send a message they’re not letting it slip away?
 


This is a bad record for Buffalo to hold and maybe will put the firing in a clearer frame for some -

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upnorthkid said:
Why would hiring a guy who’s never been to the playoffs as a head coach send a message they’re not letting it slip away?
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Because everyone in and associated with the league knows he's the top defensive mind the game, and is looking for a head coaching opportunity.

I don't think it would be controversial at all .... when you limit it strictly to football.


The whole bit about the lawsuit, that's another thing. For all I know, that might be the thing working against him, and if so fair enough. And great for us ... unless he takes a DC role elsewhere.
 

GopherGrit said:
Because everyone in and associated with the league knows he's the top defensive mind the game, and is looking for a head coaching opportunity.

I don't think it would be controversial at all .... when you limit it strictly to football.


The whole bit about the lawsuit, that's another thing. For all I know, that might be the thing working against him, and if so fair enough. And great for us ... unless he takes a DC role elsewhere.
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I’d put it at a very very low percentage Josh Allen will want Flores and will want someone either offensive minded he can collaborate with or someone who would stay more out of the way of the offense, which by all reports is not how Flores does things. I’d actually be pretty surprised if they even interview him
 

upnorthkid said:
I’d put it at a very very low percentage Josh Allen will want Flores and will want someone either offensive minded he can collaborate with or someone who would stay more out of the way of the offense, which by all reports is not how Flores does things. I’d actually be pretty surprised if they even interview him
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KOC has allowed Flores to essentially run the defense, with minimal if any oversight.

Flores should very much get it that this is the correct way to do things. Allen can have a big input in who he wants to be the OC. And that OC can focus on the offense without any head coach duties.

Granted that McDermott was already a defensive guy who could have done the same, and may have done that.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
This is a bad record to hold and maybe will put the firing in a clearer frame for some -

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More on Buffalo’s misdeeds -

Bills became the first team in NFL history to reach the divisional round in six consecutive seasons without playing in a Super Bowl.

You’ll be happy to note that the Vikings also achieved this dubious distinction, but it wasn’t in consecutive seasons -

Number of super bowls won while making the divisional round in 6+ consecutive seasons -

4
Steelers 72-79

3
Cowboys 91-96
Patriots 10-18
Chiefs 18-24

1
Cowboys 66-73
Raiders 72-77
Cowboys 75-82
49ers 92-98

0
Vikings 73-78
Rams 73-79
Bills 88-93
Bills 20-25
 




Another domino falls. It sounded like Hafley's name was one of the hotter prospects this cycle

 


NFL didn't want an AFC East retread for the champ game, if they could do anything about it. (They could)
 



Gophers1992 said:
This does nothing but tell me that they fired a head coach that led their team to a lot of wins.
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insightful as usual🤠

It’s an NfL record for futility of not reaching the goal/winning what really matters - while thst may meet your standards for competitiveness, it obviously doesn’t for the billionaire owner and I’m also guessing they want more than winning a lot from a $55M a year QB🤷‍♂️.

As noted in a previous post your prism, as a likely middle class regular person, is not the same as someone who’s a multi-billionaire who owns/operates a pro football team. If you can’t wrap your head around that, maybe you need to broaden your horizons?
 
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Gopher_In_NYC said:
insightful as usual🤠

It’s an NfL record for futility of not reaching the goal/winning what really matters - while thst may meet your standards for competitiveness, it obviously doesn’t for the billionaire owner and I’m also guessing they want more than winning a lot from a $55M a year QB🤷‍♂️.

As noted in a previous post your prism, as a likely middle class regular person, is not the same as someone who’s a multi-billionaire who owns/operates a pro football team. If you can’t wrap your head around that, maybe you need to broaden your horizons?
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I understand the idea of having high aspirations. That doesn't mean it's wise to fire a highly successful head coach and almost certainly replace him with a downgrade. By that logic they might as well trade Josh Allen and find a QB who will get them over the hump.

I have no dog in the fight, Pegula does, and therefore is likely making a short-sighted emotional decision.

This phenomenon is hardly unique to Pegula, I think teams are often way too quick to fire coaches under the illusion that a new coach is somehow that last step to getting over the hump.
 

Gophers1992 said:
I understand the idea of having high aspirations. That doesn't mean it's wise to fire a highly successful head coach
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It doesn’t mean it isn’t the right move either, especially based on the facts that they haven’t hired anyone yet/they haven’t even coached a season, was smart enough to hire McDermott who was the DC for the Panthers l in the first place🤦‍♂️

Gophers1992 said:
and almost certainly replace him with a downgrade.
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Assuming facts not in evidence. We have zero idea who they’ll hire, it could be someone like Tomlin, or the next coordinator who becomes a great coach, as McDermott did.

Gophers1992 said:
By that logic they might as well trade Josh Allen and find a QB who will get them over the hump.

I have no dog in the fight, Pegula does, and therefore is likely making a short-sighted emotional decision.

This phenomenon is hardly unique to Pegula, I think teams are often way too quick to fire coaches under the illusion that a new coach is somehow that last step to getting over the hump.
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Sorry, my friend, but your premise is riddled with assumptions.

I’m Going to roll with a guy who was smart enough to become a billionaire, hire McDermott in the first place, is never in the media, ala Jerry or Mark Davis, will make an informed business decision vs. the musing of an anonymous middle class fan/poster on a FREE chat board. Although I could be wrong. I often am.

I’m done, ciao.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
It doesn’t mean it isn’t the right move either, especially based on the facts that they haven’t hired anyone yet/they haven’t even coached a season, was smart enough to hire McDermott who was the DC for the Panthers l in the first place🤦‍♂️
Gophers1992 said:
I understand the idea of having high aspirations. That doesn't mean it's wise to fire a highly successful head coach and almost certainly replace him with a downgrade. By that logic they might as well trade Josh Allen and find a QB who will get them over the hump.
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I can see both sides of this one. On the one hand, it's tough to move on from someone who has a history of winning. On the other hand, this was a brutally tough loss, and they probably need a new voice in the room. McDermott doesn't strike me as the most charismatic guy in the world, maybe a fresh voice is what they need.

As someone who was/is hoping for Joe Brady to have a good shot at either the Arizona job or the Raiders job, I hope they aren't just going to promote Joe Brady in-house. Let him FREE!!!
 

Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
I can see both sides of this one. On the one hand, it's tough to move on from someone who has a history of winning. On the other hand, this was a brutally tough loss, and they probably need a new voice in the room. McDermott doesn't strike me as the most charismatic guy in the world, maybe a fresh voice is what they need.

As someone who was/is hoping for Joe Brady to have a good shot at either the Arizona job or the Raiders job, I hope they aren't just going to promote Joe Brady in-house. Let him FREE!!!
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I read today Brady is under consideration🤷‍♂️
 

Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
I can see both sides of this one. On the one hand, it's tough to move on from someone who has a history of winning. On the other hand, this was a brutally tough loss, and they probably need a new voice in the room. McDermott doesn't strike me as the most charismatic guy in the world, maybe a fresh voice is what they need.

As someone who was/is hoping for Joe Brady to have a good shot at either the Arizona job or the Raiders job, I hope they aren't just going to promote Joe Brady in-house. Let him FREE!!!
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Sure but you gotta admit there’s something funny about the Mamdani fan using the brilliance of wealthy billionaires as his supporting argument.
 




I'm surprised at the hate online for the Lions hiring of former Cardinals OC Drew Petzig as the Lions new OC. Until the Cardinals lost both of their bellcow RBs, Conner and Trey Benson, in back to back weeks in September, the Cardinals were one of the best running teams in the league during the Gannon/Petzg regime in Arizona. The Cardinals led the league in injuries this season and losing Conner and Benson within a week left them without anyone to carry the football.

I think Gibbs and Montgomery are going to flourish with Petzig and his offense. I hope not, but the man knows how to call a run game. A year ago people were talking about Petzig being a future HC candidate.

 

Here’s an update on Flores via Lewis’ column in The Athletic today -

Flores is expected to interview in person for the Pittsburgh Steelers’ head-coaching role this week, according to multiple league sources. His relationship with former Steelers coach Mike Tomlin and his familiarity with the organization (where he coached in 2022 as a senior defensive assistant) make him a viable candidate. Pittsburgh is expected to be methodical in its process.
 


Gophers1992 said:
I understand the idea of having high aspirations. That doesn't mean it's wise to fire a highly successful head coach and almost certainly replace him with a downgrade. By that logic they might as well trade Josh Allen and find a QB who will get them over the hump.

I have no dog in the fight, Pegula does, and therefore is likely making a short-sighted emotional decision.

This phenomenon is hardly unique to Pegula, I think teams are often way too quick to fire coaches under the illusion that a new coach is somehow that last step to getting over the hump.
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The Eagles fired Andy Reid and their franchise eventually found their way to a Super Bowl Trophy before he did.


Also, it worked for Tampa Bay when they fired Tony Dungy, as was mentioned on yesterday's Dan Patrick Show.
 

Ope3 said:
The Eagles fired Andy Reid and their franchise eventually found their way to a Super Bowl Trophy before he did.


Also, it worked for Tampa Bay when they fired Tony Dungy, as was mentioned on yesterday's Dan Patrick Show.
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the eagles went 4-12 in Reid's last season (and missed the playoffs the year prior as well) with 4 seasons searching the middle, needing multiple new QBs.

The Bucs I think would be a very apt one though they went rapidly downward after that title. But hey it doesn't matter if you win one before that happens.
 

Joe Brady might be my favorite candidate available in this cycle right now. I'd be thrilled if he either landed with the Raiders or the Cardinals

 

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