Big Ten Tournament if it were held today; Gophers currently hold a spot

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MNVCGUY said:
If the team does go on a nice run to close out the season that could certainly make things interesting in terms of the decision going forward. But to me, if the 24-25 season is a step backwards from the 23-24 season I don't see how you bring Johnson back for 25-26.
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In regards to the bolded, well ... I do. We'll disagree. The fact he has to fill out a whole roster wouldn't sway me in either direction - with the revenue-sharing money kicking in and plentiful PT available, the sales job is easier for whoever the coach is. The poor Ben crowd will say he'll finally get a chance to show what he can do.
 

Holy Man said:
Would be good to have it decided before playing in Lincoln on March 1

I hate to be anal but are times listed central or eastern? I’m committed to going and have a few things to juggle. Thanks
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The times listed by SS are CENTRAL Daylight Time (which starts the Sunday prior to the event).

Here's a link that shows the EASTERN Translation:

 

JZABR said:
Agree. The winning streak was something that  most of us really enjoyed and the style in which it happened.
Every time I post something showing a bit of an optimistic take (like North Texas being a pretty good team) I'm always grouped into the 'making excuses group' when I'm simply stating facts. That's not the only loss we have that we should have / could have won, but that's where we're at. Can we improve our record and get into a post season tournament of some sort? Certainly a better than zero percent chance. Our schedule was very top-heavy at the beginning. But what I find entertaining is players not quitting on the coach or themselves and still playing hard.
FYI, I'd rather be at this stage where we're picked to finish at the bottom and have the possibility of exceeding expectations than a team like Rutgers where you land 2 top 5 recruits and vastly underperform due to that top-heavy roster.
GO GOPHERS!
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Yeah, there is a crew here that freaks out if you try and say anything positive at all about the program. Thankfully, putting that group on ignore makes the forum much easier to read. The overall tone of things is still understandably negative but at least you can have rational discussions with other posters without the aholes making fun of you for not being as negative as they are about everything.
 

formerlybis said:
In regards to the bolded, well ... I do. We'll disagree. The fact he has to fill out a whole roster wouldn't sway me in either direction - with the revenue-sharing money kicking in and plentiful PT available, the sales job is easier for whoever the coach is. The poor Ben crowd will say he'll finally get a chance to show what he can do.
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The "Poor Ben" group is pretty much just the one beat writer and maybe a random poster or two. I highly doubt Coyle falls into that group. Too me the team's struggles plus the pending revenue sharing makes this the perfect time to make the change.

New coach comes in with a nearly blank slate, able to try and build the roster how he wants it under the new structure.
 

Some guy said:
This is kind of a self eating logical argument though.
Perhaps the reason those 6 are the bottom 6 is because they haven’t gotten to play the gophers yet.


I’m not saying that’s the case but I don’t love these arguments.
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I'm not "arguing" anything here. I was simply laying out the facts that Minnesota has not played anyone in the bottom six. And, of course, there should be an understanding that in an 18-team league and only halfway through a schedule where basically everyone is playing each other only once, one outcome can move you up or down a few spots.

So, I was not trying to make any argument. But, if you want me to, I guess I'd also offer that perhaps the Gophers are in the bottom six because they haven't played any of the other bottom six, too, right?

It really doesn't matter I suppose. To make the Big Ten Tournament, the Gophers have to win some games against whoever they play. But, seven of the last 10 games come against teams currently holding the bottom eight slots in the standings. Nine of the first ten games came against teams currently holding the top 10 spots.
 
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tjgopher said:
I'm not "arguing" anything here. I was simply laying out the facts that Minnesota has not played anyone in the bottom six.

I was not trying to make any argument. But, if you want me to, I guess I'd also offer that perhaps the Gophers are in the bottom six because they haven't played any of the other bottom six, too, right?

It really doesn't matter I suppose.
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No. The gophers are in the bottom 6 because they have losses.
And they have losses because they have played teams that have wins.


I wasn’t saying you’re making an argument. I’m saying in a zero sum game it’s just not a useful stat this early in the season.

Michigan state is 9-0 in conference but they’ve only played one top half team.
If they were 0-9, their opponents would have better records
 

Some guy said:
No. The gophers are in the bottom 6 because they have losses.
And they have losses because they have played teams that have wins.


I wasn’t saying you’re making an argument. I’m saying in a zero sum game it’s just not a useful stat this early in the season.

Michigan state is 9-0 in conference but they’ve only played one top half team.
If they were 0-9, their opponents would have better records
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Ok. SOS shouldn't factor into any analysis.

Got it.

Someone alert the NCAA Selection Committee please.

And, it isn't "this early" in the season. We're at the midway point. That's past early.
 

tjgopher said:
Ok. SOS shouldn't factor into any analysis.

Got it.

Someone alert the NCAA Selection Committee please.

And, it isn't "this early" in the season. We're at the midway point. That's past early.
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We are not at the midpoint of the conference season yet? And this analysis was all about the conference?

And I didn’t say SOS doesn’t matter?
And we weren’t talking about the ncaa selection committee?
 

Some guy said:
We are not at the midpoint of the conference season yet? And this analysis was all about the conference?
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What are you talking about?

The Gophers are 3-7. That is ten games.

They play 20 Big Ten games.

That is exactly the midway point.

Some teams have played 11 conference games. We are technically PAST the midway point my friend. 15 teams have played 10 or 11 games. Three teams have played nine games.

The Big Ten regular season is over in a mere five weeks.
 
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tjgopher said:
But, seven of the last 10 games come against teams currently holding the bottom eight slots in the standings. Nine of the first ten games came against teams currently holding the top 10 spots.
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As it turns out, we also didn't get the greatest 2-game opponents either having to play Michigan State and Wisconsin twice and only one team from the bottom half (Penn State). Iowa got Nebraska, Northwestern, and Wisconsin.
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
As it turns out, we also didn't get the greatest 2-game opponents either having to play Michigan State and Wisconsin twice and only one team from the bottom half (Penn State). Iowa got Nebraska, Northwestern, and Wisconsin.
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True. And, nothing is easy. At Nebraska (even though they are currently in the bottom 6) could be the toughest game we have left.
 

formerlybis said:
In regards to the bolded, well ... I do. We'll disagree. The fact he has to fill out a whole roster wouldn't sway me in either direction - with the revenue-sharing money kicking in and plentiful PT available, the sales job is easier for whoever the coach is. The poor Ben crowd will say he'll finally get a chance to show what he can do.
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IF there is revenue sharing, how will that change anything? Won't every major conference school have roughly the same thing to offer?

And won't those that currently have a NIL advantage most likely still have that advantage?

I don't see revenue sharing as making much if any difference.
 



tjgopher said:
What are you talking about?

The Gophers are 3-7. That is ten games.

They play 20 Big Ten games.

That is exactly the midway point.

Some teams have played 11 conference games. We are technically PAST the midway point my friend. 15 teams have played 10 or 11 games. Three teams have played nine games.

The Big Ten regular season is over in a mere five weeks.
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Yeah you’re right. I thought we had played 9 for some reason.

I don’t know why you seem so fired up
 

MNVCGUY said:
Sure....in the end we have no clue how Coyle is going to handle the situation. I can't see him rewarding an empty barn, 4 straight losing conference seasons, and multiple roster rebuilds (with another one looming in which nearly all the key pieces from the current team will be gone with the exception of 1 guy). And while that one guy (Asuma) looks like a solid player he doesn't necessarily seem like someone destined for superstardom.

If the team does go on a nice run to close out the season that could certainly make things interesting in terms of the decision going forward. But to me, if the 24-25 season is a step backwards from the 23-24 season I don't see how you bring Johnson back for 25-26.
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What if it’s one game better.but no NCAA tournament?
 

USAF said:
IF there is revenue sharing, how will that change anything? Won't every major conference school have roughly the same thing to offer?

And won't those that currently have a NIL advantage most likely still have that advantage?

I don't see revenue sharing as making much if any difference.
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I feel the same
 

USAF said:
IF there is revenue sharing, how will that change anything? Won't every major conference school have roughly the same thing to offer?

And won't those that currently have a NIL advantage most likely still have that advantage?

I don't see revenue sharing as making much if any difference.
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The B10 has a lot more revenue to share. Doesn't change the balance within the conference, but they should be able to compete for and beat out most non-B10 schools for higher levels of transfer talent.
 

formerlybis said:
The B10 has a lot more revenue to share. Doesn't change the balance within the conference, but they should be able to compete for and beat out most non-B10 schools for higher levels of transfer talent.
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I think you're confused.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Yeah, there is a crew here that freaks out if you try and say anything positive at all about the program. Thankfully, putting that group on ignore makes the forum much easier to read. The overall tone of things is still understandably negative but at least you can have rational discussions with other posters without the aholes making fun of you for not being as negative as they are about everything.
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You can't handle reality. Run away.
 

tjgopher said:
What are you talking about?

The Gophers are 3-7. That is ten games.

They play 20 Big Ten games.

That is exactly the midway point.

Some teams have played 11 conference games. We are technically PAST the midway point my friend. 15 teams have played 10 or 11 games. Three teams have played nine games.

The Big Ten regular season is over in a mere five weeks.
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Don't try to argue or reason with Some Guy.

Feels like he ate a lot of paint chips as a kid to be honest
 




MNVCGUY said:
Bar hasn't fallen. Nobody thinks just barely qualifying for the Big Ten Tournament is a huge accomplishment or a sign of a good season.

But we are at the halfway point of the conference season and this is where the team is at. So we can choose to sit and bitch and moan about not winning the conference and qualifying for the NCAA tournament or we can just try to find some enjoyment in what ultimately is likely going to be another disappointing season and the final one for our current head coach.

I get it, a bunch of posters here will choose option number one and keep posting the same "fire Johnson rants" over and over and over again until the end of the season. Others will choose to still find ways to get some enjoyment out of watching something we have zero control over and should be for entertainment.
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Johnson lover!!!!
 


MNVCGUY said:
Sure....in the end we have no clue how Coyle is going to handle the situation. I can't see him rewarding an empty barn, 4 straight losing conference seasons, and multiple roster rebuilds (with another one looming in which nearly all the key pieces from the current team will be gone with the exception of 1 guy). And while that one guy (Asuma) looks like a solid player he doesn't necessarily seem like someone destined for superstardom.

If the team does go on a nice run to close out the season that could certainly make things interesting in terms of the decision going forward. But to me, if the 24-25 season is a step backwards from the 23-24 season I don't see how you bring Johnson back for 25-26.
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A couple of thoughts give me cause to pause...(1). The elephant in the room...the buyout.
(2) The perception: Did Ben get a fair chance? Are we discriminating? Pitino got 8 years.
But, Pitino won the NIT Championship and was Big Ten Coach of the Year...so did he earn more opportunity? Ya but, Ben has had almost completely different NCAA rules each year he has coached...definitely different moving landscape.

Therefore, it's pretty easy for me to see administration making a Pitino backroom deal...we'll give you one more year but you gotta make the NCAA Tournament...fail and your are gone without a buyout. Especially if we qualify for the Big Ten Conference Tournament....however silly low that bar is, I do believe it carries weight.
 



tjgopher said:
Or @UCLA. They have been on a roll now. Just beat Oregon by 36 points last night and have won five straight.

Nothing will be easy, for sure.
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See the post below. I clearly was incomplete in my response and assumed others could read my mind. Rutgers hardest game against current bottom feeders.
 

SelectionSunday said:
Amen.

I'm pretty much counting that one as a L. Gophers have never won there (0-9), and it's not just that, it seems like they usually play awful at Pinnacle Bank Arena.
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Nebby...Damn. When you are dominated by some fat guy from Brazil.
I know it was a long time ago, but I'll never forget. It burns through my brain.
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