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Since the Tubby haters like to incorrectly cite salary data and use that as ammunition against him, I thought I would provide some actual, sourced salary data to combat their spreading of lies. I've done my due diligence and provided 3 independent sources for each salary figure. If this were kept as a sticky at the top of the forum, or somewhere else where it would be easily accessible, that would be great. It would be easy to consult every time the propaganda and lie machine starts spinning again.

1. Tom Izzo - ~$3.49 mil
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2010/11/michigan_state_coach_tom_izzo_6.html
http://www.therichest.org/sports/highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...onic-coach-tom-izzo-michigan-state/52256690/1

2. Thad Matta - ~$2.5 mil
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/03/ohio_state_basketball_coach_th.html
http://balljunkie.com/2011/03/07/college-basketballs-highest-paid-coaches/
http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-highestpaidcollegebasketballcoaches/7/

3. Matt Painter - ~$2.3 mil
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=13266518
http://www.purdueexponent.org/sports/mens/article_7da682ab-f0a2-5b34-ade3-5a75180bf31b.html
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...matt-painter-raise-loyalty-big-ten-missouri/1

4. Tom Crean - ~$2.24 mil
http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/08/21/a-closer-look-at-tom-creans-10-year-deal/
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3324439
http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2011/3/16/2052185/wells-hit-piece-on-indianas-tom-crean-misses-the-mark

5. Bo Ryan - ~$2.1 mil
http://www.wiscnews.com/portagedail...cle_688792f0-0a8b-11e1-ad47-001cc4c03286.html
http://www.wrn.com/2011/11/badgers-ryan-surpasses-2-million-in-yearly-salary/
http://badgerherald.com/news/2011/11/09/ryan_receives_pay_ra.php

T-6. Tubby Smith - ~$1.8 mil
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/di...niversity-of-minnesota-football-coach-search/
http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2010/01/when_it_comes_t.php
http://college-basketball-coach.pikimal.com/orlando-tubby-smith

T-6. John Beilein - ~$1.8 mil
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20110129/OPINION03/101290383
http://businessinsider.com/highest-paid-coaches-in-college-basketball-2011-12?op=1
http://www.cardchronicle.com/2011/3...ighest-paid-coach-in-the-2011-ncaa-tournament (cites 2011 salary, salary increases $100 k each year)

8. Bruce Weber - ~$1.5 mil
http://www.illinihq.com/sports/illini-sports/mens-basketball/2011-10-27/pay-raise-weber.html
http://www.cardchronicle.com/2011/3...ighest-paid-coach-in-the-2011-ncaa-tournament
http://www.ehow.com/info_8451712_average-college-coachs-salary.html

9. Fran McCaffery - ~$1.1 mil
http://hawkcentral.com/2010/08/25/iowa-basketball-ui-releases-fran-mccafferys-contract/
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2010-03-28-iowa-fran-mccaffery_N.htm
http://thegazette.com/2010/03/29/fran-mccaffery-press-conference-transcript/

10. Doc Sadler - ~$900 k
http://huskerextra.com/sports/mens-basketball/article_f589fcb0-0de7-59f2-b26d-0d31564a2a30.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6354189
http://www.dailynebraskan.com/news/salary-by-the-numbers-head-coaches-pay-1.2642333

11/12. Bill Carmody/Pat Chambers - unknown

Salary figures unknown. Carmody has been reported to make around $1.1 mil (http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2010/2/12/1303373/2010/2/12/1303373/forever-dechellis) and while Chambers' salary is unknown, his predecessor Ed DeChellis made around $650 k (http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2010/2/12/1303373/2010/2/12/1303373/forever-dechellis). Thus, Chambers is almost assuredly the lowest, while Carmody may be higher, possibly as high as #9.

There are 12 head coaches in the Big Ten. In a set of 12 items, 6.5 is average. Since Tubby is either tied for 6th or in 6th alone slightly ahead of Beilein (depending on which source you believe), he is at or slightly above average among Big Ten coaches. Of the ten known salaries, the average is ~$1.97 mil. By that standard, Tubby is actually slightly below average in Big Ten salary among head coaches. Of the ten known salaries, the median is $1.8 mil. By that standard, Tubby is right at the average Big Ten salary among head coaches. If you combine all three metrics, he is right at the average Big Ten salary among head coaches. Please remember this figures and consult this list whenever you feel like lying about Tubby some more.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Since the Tubby haters like to incorrectly cite salary data and use that as ammunition against him, I thought I would provide some actual, sourced salary data to combat their spreading of lies. I've done my due diligence and provided 3 independent sources for each salary figure. If this were kept as a sticky at the top of the forum, or somewhere else where it would be easily accessible, that would be great. It would be easy to consult every time the propaganda and lie machine starts spinning again.

1. Tom Izzo - ~$3.49 mil
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2010/11/michigan_state_coach_tom_izzo_6.html
http://www.therichest.org/sports/highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...onic-coach-tom-izzo-michigan-state/52256690/1

2. Thad Matta - ~$2.5 mil
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/03/ohio_state_basketball_coach_th.html
http://balljunkie.com/2011/03/07/college-basketballs-highest-paid-coaches/
http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-highestpaidcollegebasketballcoaches/7/

3. Matt Painter - ~$2.3 mil
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=13266518
http://www.purdueexponent.org/sports/mens/article_7da682ab-f0a2-5b34-ade3-5a75180bf31b.html
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...matt-painter-raise-loyalty-big-ten-missouri/1

4. Tom Crean - ~$2.24 mil
http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/08/21/a-closer-look-at-tom-creans-10-year-deal/
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3324439
http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2011/3/16/2052185/wells-hit-piece-on-indianas-tom-crean-misses-the-mark

5. Bo Ryan - ~$2.1 mil
http://www.wiscnews.com/portagedail...cle_688792f0-0a8b-11e1-ad47-001cc4c03286.html
http://www.wrn.com/2011/11/badgers-ryan-surpasses-2-million-in-yearly-salary/
http://badgerherald.com/news/2011/11/09/ryan_receives_pay_ra.php

T-6. Tubby Smith - ~$1.8 mil
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/di...niversity-of-minnesota-football-coach-search/
http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2010/01/when_it_comes_t.php
http://college-basketball-coach.pikimal.com/orlando-tubby-smith

T-6. John Beilein - ~$1.8 mil
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20110129/OPINION03/101290383
http://businessinsider.com/highest-paid-coaches-in-college-basketball-2011-12?op=1
http://www.cardchronicle.com/2011/3...ighest-paid-coach-in-the-2011-ncaa-tournament (cites 2011 salary, salary increases $100 k each year)

8. Bruce Weber - ~$1.5 mil
http://www.illinihq.com/sports/illini-sports/mens-basketball/2011-10-27/pay-raise-weber.html
http://www.cardchronicle.com/2011/3...ighest-paid-coach-in-the-2011-ncaa-tournament
http://www.ehow.com/info_8451712_average-college-coachs-salary.html

9. Fran McCaffery - ~$1.1 mil
http://hawkcentral.com/2010/08/25/iowa-basketball-ui-releases-fran-mccafferys-contract/
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2010-03-28-iowa-fran-mccaffery_N.htm
http://thegazette.com/2010/03/29/fran-mccaffery-press-conference-transcript/

10. Doc Sadler - ~$900 k
http://huskerextra.com/sports/mens-basketball/article_f589fcb0-0de7-59f2-b26d-0d31564a2a30.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6354189
http://www.dailynebraskan.com/news/salary-by-the-numbers-head-coaches-pay-1.2642333

11/12. Bill Carmody/Pat Chambers - unknown

Salary figures unknown. Carmody has been reported to make around $1.1 mil (http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2010/2/12/1303373/2010/2/12/1303373/forever-dechellis) and while Chambers' salary is unknown, his predecessor Ed DeChellis made around $650 k (http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2010/2/12/1303373/2010/2/12/1303373/forever-dechellis). Thus, Chambers is almost assuredly the lowest, while Carmody may be higher, possibly as high as #9.

There are 12 head coaches in the Big Ten. In a set of 12 items, 6.5 is average. Since Tubby is either tied for 6th or in 6th alone slightly ahead of Beilein (depending on which source you believe), he is at or slightly above average among Big Ten coaches. Of the ten known salaries, the average is ~$1.97 mil. By that standard, Tubby is actually slightly below average in Big Ten salary among head coaches. Of the ten known salaries, the median is $1.8 mil. By that standard, Tubby is right at the average Big Ten salary among head coaches. If you combine all three metrics, he is right at the average Big Ten salary among head coaches. Please remember this figures and consult this list whenever you feel like lying about Tubby some more.
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Thanks for posting this info. Next please try removing cranium from rectum before you accuse people of lying. I looked for a while, and the most up to date source I could find showed him 3rd. I defer to your more current list. One thing that CANNOT be denied, when he was hired, his salary was well further north on the list,and probably has a great deal to do with Izzo and Matta getting the amounts they now receive.
 


Good link. I was wondering where the Tubby at $2MM salary came from? I thought $1.8MM was what I ready in years past. Make no mitake, its a nice salary and essentially we should be finishing 6th or better most years...with an occassional run for the title.

Tubby certainly provided instant improvement as he took a dreadful squad and turned it into a winning squad. Tubby has also managed to beat all the teams that Monson could never beat (Illinois, @ Wisky, MSU (Tourney) plus Tubby has always pulled a big win each year it seems. His main problem, not winning enough big games at home..as SS pointed out. I would like to think that if he pulled out even half of the home losses and turned them into wins, everyone would have a vastly different take right now. But he didn't.. so it is what it is. One thing is certain, for this season to be considered any kind of success, he will need to pull off at least one big home win yet this season...
 

Whathavewedone said:
Next please try removing cranium from rectum before you accuse people of lying.
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Cranium never anywhere near rectum and firmly atop shoulders. Thanks though.

And I'm not "accusing" you of lying. I'm flat-out stating that you were lying. You didn't qualify your statement with "from what I've seen" or "from what I could find". You stated things that were not factual as though they were facts. You pretended to have greater knowledge of the facts than you did. Both are lying and disingenuous where I come from. The post, for those who may not have seen it:

Whathavewedone said:
A roughly $2 million annual salary isn't huge to you? Dang I wish I had your cash. And that puts him in the top 10-12 of coaching salaries depending on the source you look at. The 2 B1G coaches ahead of him are winning conf. titles and going to FF's.
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Not a single thing in that post is factual, and you emphatically stated all of it as though it were. Don't feel too badly, though. You're far from the only person who spreads lies and propaganda about Tubby on a daily basis. It happens here as well as a lot of other places. As someone who is interested in discussing issues from a factual point of view, I finally got tired of it and decided to combat it.
 


Rouser said:
Good link. I was wondering where the Tubby at $2MM salary came from? I thought $1.8MM was what I ready in years past. Make no mitake, its a nice salary and essentially we should be finishing 6th or better most years...with an occassional run for the title.

Tubby certainly provided instant improvement as he took a dreadful squad and turned it into a winning squad. Tubby has also managed to beat all the teams that Monson could never beat (Illinois, @ Wisky, MSU (Tourney) plus Tubby has always pulled a big win each year it seems. His main problem, not winning enough big games at home..as SS pointed out. I would like to think that if he pulled out even half of the home losses and turned them into wins, everyone would have a vastly different take right now. But he didn't.. so it is what it is. One thing is certain, for this season to be considered any kind of success, he will need to pull off at least one big home win yet this season...
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According to the searchable site listed below his salary for the 2010-2011 year was $1,998,113.21, so essentially 2 million.


http://extra.twincities.com/car/salaries/default.aspx
 

http://extra.twincities.com/car/salaries/default.aspx

Interesting. Search only coach and you can see the salaries of all the different coaches in the system. Tubby's assistants may be a little underpaid if you compare to football. Perhaps that is the norm in basketball.

Most egregious stat is that Borton makes 190 000 more than Lucia.

520 000 is an insane amount for a WBB coach who is not a superstar. That has to rub the rest of the coaches the wrong way.
 

GopherGod said:
According to the searchable site listed below his salary for the 2010-2011 year was $1,998,113.21, so essentially 2 million.


http://extra.twincities.com/car/salaries/default.aspx
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Good link. Thanks for posting it. It doesn't tell the whole story, though. It doesn't say whether other non-salary perks (free use of car, medical benefits, etc.) have been monetized and included as part of the salary. For example, I am on that list since I am a University employee, and my stated salary is higher than what I actually see on my paycheck as gross pay. I don't know what accounts for the difference, and it doesn't say.

At any rate, if the just under $2 mil that website reports is actual salary and not accounting numbers, it doesn't change the list other than to move Tubby into 6th alone instead of tied for 6th with Beilein, a status I already stated in the text that I was unsure of.
 

Winnipegopher said:
http://extra.twincities.com/car/salaries/default.aspx

Interesting. Search only coach and you can see the salaries of all the different coaches in the system. Tubby's assistants may be a little underpaid if you compare to football. Perhaps that is the norm in basketball.

Most egregious stat is that Borton makes 190 000 more than Lucia.

520 000 is an insane amount for a WBB coach who is not a superstar. That has to rub the rest of the coaches the wrong way.
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I agree with you about Borton, unless your name is Summitt or Auriemma a WBB coach shouldn't be bringing in that kind of salary.
 




There's been a ton of commotion with Bruce Weber down here. It was said on the radio this morning that boosters wouldn't mind fitting the bill for his $3.5 million buyout.
 

CrocShots said:
There's been a ton of commotion with Bruce Weber down here. It was said on the radio this morning that boosters wouldn't mind fitting the bill for his $3.5 million buyout.
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It also looks like Doc Sadler at Nebraska could be let go as well and he has a $3.4 million dollar buyout, but with a new practice facility that just opened and a brand new arena opening next year they need to re-energize the program and fanbase who are upset.
 

regardless of Tubby's salary I don't think he was hired to finish 6th or lower on a regular basis.
 



dpodoll68 said:
Cranium never anywhere near rectum and firmly atop shoulders. Thanks though.

And I'm not "accusing" you of lying. I'm flat-out stating that you were lying. You didn't qualify your statement with "from what I've seen" or "from what I could find". You stated things that were not factual as though they were facts. You pretended to have greater knowledge of the facts than you did. Both are lying and disingenuous where I come from. The post, for those who may not have seen it:



Not a single thing in that post is factual, and you emphatically stated all of it as though it were. Don't feel too badly, though. You're far from the only person who spreads lies and propaganda about Tubby on a daily basis. It happens here as well as a lot of other places. As someone who is interested in discussing issues from a factual point of view, I finally got tired of it and decided to combat it.
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You are a complete anal orifice. I found teh most accurate info I could, and used it. That is in NO WAY lying. As to your reply, it is not my problem if you poorly express your thoughts. The way the response was written reads as though you did not think it was a huge investment.
 

Whathavewedone said:
You are a complete anal orifice.
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Thank you for the compliment.

Whathavewedone said:
I found teh most accurate info I could, and used it. That is in NO WAY lying.
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If you post it as fact, without stating the qualifiers you are now using, it is lying. It's quite self-explanatory.

Whathavewedone said:
As to your reply, it is not my problem if you poorly express your thoughts. The way the response was written reads as though you did not think it was a huge investment.
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Do you have trouble reading? Do you have a condition such as dyslexia, or is it a cognitive problem? I have in no way "poorly express[ed] my thoughts". I have been perfectly consistent with each of my posts. I do indeed not only think, but categorically know, that it is indeed not a huge investment. This is a fact. I am stating it for at least the third time now. I often have to state things three or more times to my 5-year-old before he understands. However, since I assume that you are not 5 years old, I'm struggling to understand why I have to state things three or more times to you before you get it.
 



scools12 said:
regardless of Tubby's salary I don't think he was hired to finish 6th or lower on a regular basis.
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No one disagrees. But its kinda annoying when people don't check the facts before making claims to try and help their cause.
 

Thanks Dpo. I don't always agree with your approach, but you certainly do your homework (unlike most on here).
 

Stan said:
Neither was Monson.
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Actually, like it or not, Monson was hired to return the program to a level of integrity first and foremost. The institution was embarassed. At the time I think winning was an after-thought. Most people thought it would be a 10 year drought... and they were right.
 

Monson was hired for cleanup duty, but I think most people thought once the sanctions came off, there would be a gradual improvement. Instead, things only got worse it seemed.

Tubby was hired to reinvigorate the program (and obviously win games). And it worked....for two years. Then all the crap hit the fan and now we sit where we are today.
 

In the other thread about Tubby and how no one aknowledges the injuries that have plauged him , I posted that he was one of the higher paid coaches out there. When initially hired Tubby was one of the higher paid coaches outh there, and then, rightfully so, he was surpassed by all the better coaches in our confrence in paticular. My memory was in regards to his initial contract with Minnesota, and in being one of the higher paid coaches in the nation at that time.

Your right, at this date he is not one of the highest paid coaches, I did not realize that his contract would help spur the rise of others in the conference like im sure it did.

Honestly, how do you think Tubby should be compensated if his contract was extended (which I dont see it happening). 2 million? 2.5 million?
With the rise of sallaries since his last contract, there is no way he will make less than 2 million, probably would be closer to 2.5. Is Tubby worth 2.5 or even 2 million? To me me its clearly a no.
 

Here is a claim. When Tubby was hired he made more money than everyone in the league except Izzo. More than Ryan, more than Matta. He was second in the league and in the top 10 nationally. His last year in KY he was the highest paid coach in the country.

That means that over his tenure here (this is his 5th year) he has made more money than all but maybe 2 or 3 coaches.

So, for the fact guys, check this out....who has the least amount of conference wins per salary dollar in the country over the past 4 years? Any wild guesses? Any facts around this?

Showing a current salary chart does nothing for what a guy was paid while producing subpar results. Tubby, if extended will get a raise. Bank on that. It is a cycle, just like salaries in every sport. When signed he was 2nd in the conference in salary and over the past 4 years he made more than most.

I'll look for some facts on conference wins per salary dollar over the past 4 years. If Tubby had a good number of wins per salary dollar I will say he is not overpaid.
 

By the way, Tubby gets $250,000 deferred compensation per year under his contract. So add that to his salary.
 

Weren't the discussions on $2 million if extended? I don't know if it goes above that.

But beyond that, does it really matter if the coach is paid $2 mil or $1.5 mil? A salary doesn't win games. The reality is, a salary is just representative of your resume, not what you currently bring to the table. Tubby is going to make more money than a lot of coaches regardless because he has the full resume to back it up.

This is just how it is in almost any business industry. Experience = $$$$, even if you are some hot shot in the lower ranks, you aren't gonna get as much as an experienced manager who has produced solid results for 20 years at every level. And a bad year or two isn't gonna suddenly make worth half of your salary.

I think people are getting a little too hung up on how much he's making.
 

Monty519 said:
Weren't the discussions on $2 million if extended? I don't know if it goes above that.

But beyond that, does it really matter if the coach is paid $2 mil or $1.5 mil? A salary doesn't win games. The reality is, a salary is just representative of your resume, not what you currently bring to the table. Tubby is going to make more money than a lot of coaches regardless because he has the full resume to back it up.

This is just how it is in almost any business industry. Experience = $$$$, even if you are some hot shot in the lower ranks, you aren't gonna get as much as an experienced manager who has produced solid results for 20 years at every level. And a bad year or two isn't gonna suddenly make worth half of your salary.

I think people are getting a little too hung up on how much he's making.
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This post is essentially what I've been trying to say all along, but couldn't elucidate as well as you. Thank you. The entire salary discussion is a red herring. It's entirely irrelevant to anyone but Tubby and his superiors, so I wish people would stop bringing it up altogether. However, since people have been insisting on injecting it into the conversation on a daily basis, I will continue to insist that they do so from a factual standpoint.
 

minngg said:
Here is a claim. When Tubby was hired he made more money than everyone in the league except Izzo. More than Ryan, more than Matta. He was second in the league and in the top 10 nationally. His last year in KY he was the highest paid coach in the country.

That means that over his tenure here (this is his 5th year) he has made more money than all but maybe 2 or 3 coaches.

So, for the fact guys, check this out....who has the least amount of conference wins per salary dollar in the country over the past 4 years? Any wild guesses? Any facts around this?

Showing a current salary chart does nothing for what a guy was paid while producing subpar results. Tubby, if extended will get a raise. Bank on that. It is a cycle, just like salaries in every sport. When signed he was 2nd in the conference in salary and over the past 4 years he made more than most.

I'll look for some facts on conference wins per salary dollar over the past 4 years. If Tubby had a good number of wins per salary dollar I will say he is not overpaid.
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So if Tubby made only $500,000 per year you'd be his biggest fan? You're definition of a successful coach is based on wins per dollar?
 

dpodoll68 said:
This post is essentially what I've been trying to say all along, but couldn't elucidate as well as you. Thank you. The entire salary discussion is a red herring. It's entirely irrelevant to anyone but Tubby and his superiors, so I wish people would stop bringing it up altogether. However, since people have been insisting on injecting it into the conversation on a daily basis, I will continue to insist that they do so from a factual standpoint.
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What did one guy say he was paid in the top 5 now??? Don't include most Tubby detractors. I never said it because I know the stats, but you cannot ignore that over the period of his tenure he was in the top 5 in earnings. That is a fact you should acknoledge if you want fairness as you say you do.
 

scher215 said:
So if Tubby made only $500,000 per year you'd be his biggest fan? You're definition of a successful coach is based on wins per dollar?
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No, I wouldn't be a fan at half the salary, but at $2 Million it just adds another dimension to the expectations.
 

minngg said:
What did one guy say he was paid in the top 5 now??? Don't include most Tubby detractors. I never said it because I know the stats, but you cannot ignore that over the period of his tenure he was in the top 5 in earnings. That is a fact you should acknoledge if you want fairness as you say you do.
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Yes, I acknowledge it. I also acknowledge that it's a completely meaningless statistic. Outside of Tubby and Donna, the administration, and the accountants who need to make sure they cut the check properly, no one cares. Nor should they. It's completely and totally irrelevant. When things are going well, no one cares about the salary. When things are going poorly, they use it as another tool in their arsenal of hate, hate, hate. The Tubby haters only care because he's not getting as many wins as they expected. If he was getting paid $1/yr. and had the same record, would anyone care about his salary? If he was getting $5 mil/yr. and going to Final Fours every other year, would anyone care about his salary? That proves that it is meaningless and inconsequential to anyone other than the parties listed above.
 

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